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On Friday, President Trump signed a presidential proclamation to sharply raise the cost of employing H-1B workers by restricting entry unless employers make a $100,000 payment with the petition. The "Restriction on entry of certain nonimmigrant workers" proclamation accuses companies of abusing the existing visa program by …

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  1. hitmouse

    In the meantime continue attacking the educational institutions that might have provided skilled domestic labor

    1. Wang Cores Silver badge

      Truly the most regarded population to be an imperial power.

      At least the Romans didn't start smashing the aquifiers because RAW WATER MORE BETTER.

      Britian didn't spurn vaccination when it ruled the waves.

      Imperial Japan embarked on its' suicidal war against the US in the Pacific based on earlier observations as allies, not out of a delusional belief American shells couldn't hurt them because they lacked the Emperor's blessing.

      1. Wang Cores Silver badge
        Headmaster

        *Aquifers = aqueducts * Britian = Britain

      2. Gene Cash Silver badge

        > Britain didn't spurn vaccination when it ruled the waves.

        Bullshit. Look up the Anti-vaccination Leagues. Leicester had a 80,000-100,000 person anti-vax march.

        https://historyofvaccines.org/vaccines-101/misconceptions-about-vaccines/history-anti-vaccination-movements

        1. that one in the corner Silver badge

          Your link demonstrated that Britain as a whole, from the top down, *were* all for vaccines, to the point of being somewhat heavy-handed in their approach.

          Yes, some people objected - helped by some clergy calling it "un-christian" (always useful for a bit of rabble-rousing). Understandable, in part (bar the pulpit banging), as the first vaccines were unknown and scary to the general public - they weren't a quick jab with a needle followed by a lollipop - and there wasn't the visible local history of mass vaccination demonstrably saving lives of the people in your own town (how could there be, for the earliest uses?).

          And we didn't have senior "health ministers" working against the greater good.

  2. Groo The Wanderer - A Canuck Silver badge

    Another suicidal move for the US economy courtesy of Der Pumpkin Fuhrer. I can't believe how fast the US is turning into an absolute fascist hell hole...

    1. JimmyPage Silver badge

      I can't believe how fast the US is turning into an absolute fascist hell hole.

      The problem is they really thought they had cracked it.

      The price of liberty etc etc

      Say what you will about the UK, we know how quickly things can turn. That's why it's almost impossible to get anything done in less than 5 years.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Say what you will about the UK, we know how quickly things can turn.

        We absolutely do not. Which is why Cameron played chicken with Farage and lost.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Say what you will about the UK, we know how quickly things can turn.

          Farage was already 'tight' with Trump in 2015/16. I read somewhere that he is a member of Mar-a-Lago, at $1,000,000 a year. How can he afford that and all his boot licking trips to the USA on an MP's salary.

          Will he come clearn? Do pigs fly?

          1. Timbo

            Re: Say what you will about the UK, we know how quickly things can turn.

            "How can he afford that and all his boot licking trips to the USA on an MP's salary."

            Well, Fartage's partner recently bought a house for GBP 850,000 in his constituency and Farage says she can afford it as she is a relative to a rich person in France.

            And yet there are those who claim that Farage loaned her the money so the house is legally in her sole name, so that Farage did not have to pay the extra amount of "stamp duty" as it would be his second home (as he already owns another house, prior to this purchase).

            If you want to look up his "political history" check here:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Farage

  3. Claude Yeller Silver badge

    Corruption?

    If it walks like a duck, ...

  4. Ryan D

    No problem

    No visa, no problem. Just offshore more to India. No longer do they need an excuse. Easy peasy pumpkin queasy.

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: No problem

      Absolutely. The quote "I think it'll hit the outsourcers more than probably those firms" is the exact opposite of what I'd expect.

      We all know what the the offshored service to be like.

      Give it a few weeks for the TACO to arrive.

    2. Tron Silver badge

      Re: No problem

      GAFA have 'campuses' abroad. They may as well just keep the head office in the US and shift everything else abroad to avoid whatever BS their deranged emperor comes up with next. The US government is no longer stable enough for companies to operate there, if they can operate anywhere else.

      Fees are charged by the UK govt. as well, alongside the losses due to Brexit and uni. blocks gutting staff from UK businesses. The UK economy depended on topping up with migrant labour due to inadequate skills and temperaments amongst the locals. Now services are collapsing and the economy is dying. Nationalism kills your economy.

      1. Dinanziame Silver badge
        Devil

        Re: No problem

        Sounds like a good reason for those companies to stop bringing the work to the US, and grow offices worldwide instead. It was already cheaper abroad, now even more. That's the great advantage of making things more expensive in your country, everybody starts avoiding you.

      2. Claude Yeller Silver badge

        Re: Nationalism kills your economy.

        There are two strands of nationalism.

        1. We celebrate those who want to join us, eg, the US of the Statue Of Freedom.

        2. We destroy everyone with a different skin color or religion, eg, the US of the slave markets and KKK

        The first created the most powerful nation on earth. The second already almost destroyed it once.

    3. Roland6 Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: No problem

      Given it would seem the majority of H-1B visa’s went to Indian nationals, this could be construed as a variant of working from home…

      1. Gary Stewart Silver badge

        Re: No problem

        Here in Dallas we have the University of Texas at Dallas which I call it the University of Texas at Delhi because of the large number of Indian students that attend there. I'm sure Moronodon I doesn't know about this because there have not been any student detentions/deportations, yet. I have no problems with this on general principles and it brings along with it the side benefit of having several really good Indian restaurants in the area. I just wish that it was closer to my house. I would like to add that many large hardware and software companies in the US were started by and/or run by people of Indian descent and hat they have made many valuable contributions to US technology and the economy over the last several decades.

        As to H1Bs, I worked in the electronics industry for over 35 years and while I had no problems with the intent, I was never happy about he amount of fraud that went along with them that was never properly addressed by the US government. As an example there were classes in the US on how abuse the H1B system for "cheap" workers that were never in any way legally challenged. It wasn't a secret, it was just ignored. Since I have been retired for over 5 years now I'm not sure how I feel about this entry fee being added other than to say if they stick to why H1Bs were put in place from the start, to supplement tech and other high skill work forces when needed I have no problem with it. I also have no illusions that that this will ever happen. I assume that the $100,000 will be handled as a loan from the exporting company to the exportee at an appropriately high interest rate so it will be interesting to see how this steep price affects the number of workers looking to be exported. That assumes that the proclamation it is legal, I don't think that it is, or that the Supine Court will once again bestow it's fealty to the great dictator, I do think that they would.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "tech companies have more money than God"

    An odd but perhaps typically american comment.

    I don't imagine the chap wandering around Gallilee and reputed to be the deity's terrestrial representative or embodiment had two denarii to rub together let alone bags of shekels.

    1. Rich 11

      Re: "tech companies have more money than God"

      But the people preaching the prosperity gospel in his name are loaded.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: "tech companies have more money than God"

      Especially after they've rendered unto Caesar*

      * The current Caesar will also accept pictures of dead caesars, until they are able to get the currency changed in their own honour

      1. HXO
        Coat

        Re: "tech companies have more money than God"

        "currency changed in their own honour"

        Dirty money.

      2. Gary Stewart Silver badge

        Re: "tech companies have more money than God"

        Large gold trinkets also work very well.

        1. AndrueC Silver badge
          Joke

          Re: "tech companies have more money than God"

          and large passenger jets.

          1. Pascal Monett Silver badge
            Trollface

            Re: and large passenger jets

            That's going to require a really large garage.

            Hey corrupt CEOs, another opportunity to kiss orange ass !

          2. Gary Stewart Silver badge

            Re: "tech companies have more money than God"

            And $2 billion "investments" in my favorite daughter's (pat-pat) husband. Slicers and dicers welcome!

    3. doublelayer Silver badge

      Re: "tech companies have more money than God"

      "I don't imagine the chap wandering around Gallilee and reputed to be the deity's terrestrial representative or embodiment had two denarii to rub together let alone bags of shekels."

      If we're arguing this theologically, he was connected to omnipotence, so if he wanted to, he would have. Also, this is the guy who received gifts of gold, along with rare stuff that presumably could have been sold, upon birth. I don't remember stories of him using either method to spend money, but that's not sufficient evidence that he couldn't have. If we're arguing it historically, it becomes much trickier to identify any particular person or what his resources would have been, again insufficient evidence to prove poverty.

      1. Roland6 Silver badge

        Re: "tech companies have more money than God"

        >” If we're arguing this theologically, he was connected to omnipotence, so if he wanted to, he would have.”

        From the Bible evidence, I suggest his access to wealth was in his next life, when he had returned to gods kingdom…

        1. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge

          Re: "tech companies have more money than God"

          If he could turn water into wine, lead into gold shouldn't be much of a stretch.

          1. Roland6 Silver badge

            Re: "tech companies have more money than God"

            Well if you could turn water into wine and bread into flesh etc. why would you need gold?

            1. Dinanziame Silver badge
              Devil

              Re: "tech companies have more money than God"

              Buy the US president, apparently

            2. Steve K

              Re: "tech companies have more money than God"

              That would be an ecumenical matter

      2. Claude Yeller Silver badge

        Re: "tech companies have more money than God"

        "Also, this is the guy who received gifts of gold, along with rare stuff that presumably could have been sold, upon birth."

        I believe both the bible and tradition are silent about the finances of Joseph and Mary. Maybe the proceeds of the babyshower were used to start the family's carpenter business.

        It is indeed curious that the evangelists made quite a story about the Three Kings from the East and the mass infanticide that resulted from their visit, but are quiet about the whereabouts of all the expensive gifts.

        I am inclined to consider it more likely the family did not return home with large wealth. So either the wealth was lost or the whole story was an exaggeration or even just a metaphor.

        As I am an atheist, you can make your conclusions on where I stand in this matter.

  6. DS999 Silver badge

    This is illegal

    The law says that fees can only be charged to defray the cost of running the program. If he wants to do this, he has to get congress to pass a law permitting it. It will be challenged in court the day it takes effect, then when a stay is put on it we'll hear Trump whine about "corrupt democrat judges" even if it ends up being a judge he appointed that shoots him down.

    1. heyrick Silver badge

      Re: This is illegal

      Slapping tariffs on everyone was also unlawful, as a job for Congress and not some trumped up "emergency".

      So, really, ignoring the rest of government and the Constitution and the law, and hoping his supine Supremes will back him up is pretty much standard operating procedure.

      1. retiredFool Silver badge

        Re: This is illegal

        Agree totally. Amazing how spineless congress has been as the marshmallow tramped all over congress purview. I did see, and really almost thought fake news, when I saw Cruz of all people upset with how trump et al have been getting media to fire people like Kimmel and Colbert who dare make jokes about his majesty. Cruz? Criticize trump? Cruz one of the biggest boot lickers in congress. I've got some hope, well a tinny tiny bit of hope that congress grows a pair. Its going to take some balls to get a 2/3rd's majority in the senate for a conviction, and that is going to be the only thing stopping the wanna be dictator. So maybe cruz and paul with R's on them might vote to convict. What 15 more to get a conviction?

        1. HereIAmJH Silver badge

          Re: This is illegal

          Cruz objects to one policy. One. There is no risk of impeachment.

          I suspect Cruz has some investments or donors in the media space, and it's affecting his ability to go to Cancun during natural disasters. Either that, or he needs to have someone insult his wife again. Cruz is a whiner, not a trailblazer.

      2. DS999 Silver badge

        Re: This is illegal

        Yes and the courts have been rejecting it. The problem is that courts move slowly, and even if the Supreme Court finally shuts him down (we'll have to see if they plan to follow the Constitution at all since that's clearly spelled out with zero wiggle room) he will find some other pretext and that will take ages to move its way through the courts.

        I'm almost at the point where I hope the Supreme Court basically rubber stamps him as Fuhrer 2.0 and he drives the US into the ground then dies. There will be no going back to the old constitutional system since everyone will know it is broken since it allowed Trump, so there would have to be a new constitutional convention to basically start over on America 2.0. The president has to be FAR weaker, and all the important stuff like the DoD, DoJ, and law enforcement like FBI has to be completely independent of the president. Not by "norms and practices", not quasi independent like the Fed, but truly 100% independent where the president has no control even to appoint its leadership. It has clearly been shown that the president has too much control when congress decides to abrogate its responsibility as a check on presidential power.

        Basically we need to treat the US like a failed experiment, learn from its failings, and build a better stronger version to replace it where a Trump is impossible. Gotta change the way we vote too, first past the post guarantees a two party system and that is not what the founders intended or what allows most people to feel like their views are being represented. Whether that's ranked choice or approval or whatever. There should be a way for citizens to propose amendments and get them passed like states have too. Get 60% to vote for it then it doesn't matter if a majority of people in half the states don't like it, it is now the law of the land.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: This is illegal

          Didn't SCOTUS rule that president Autopen's plans for student loan forgiveness was unconstitutional but then Autopen did it anyway? Oh yes, that was exactly what happened.

          "It has clearly been shown that the president has too much control"

          I think it was Obama who said that he just needs a pen and a phone to bypass congress. Yup, it was.

          https://www.npr.org/2014/01/20/263766043/wielding-a-pen-and-a-phone-obama-goes-it-alone

          "I am going to be working with Congress where I can to accomplish this, but I am also going to act on my own if Congress is deadlocked," he said at an education event at the White House on Thursday. "I've got a pen to take executive actions where Congress won't, and I've got a telephone to rally folks around the country on this mission."

          Also the same guy who campaigned on codifying Roe immediately if he won in 2008 and then turned around and said 'it wasn't the right time'.

        2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

          Re: This is illegal

          "Basically we need to treat the US like a failed experiment"

          It's odd that given the "no more Kings" attitude they ignored the fact that England had been evolving the separation head of government powers from head of state for a couple of generations. They stepped back to somewhere about Queen Anne's day and then froze it with a written constitution.

          1. BILL_ME

            Re: This is illegal

            LOL, the majority of you are as well informed as Norks.

            99% MSM and 100% Foreign will lie or slant or biggen-up any division wrt Trump.

            Most MAGA folks here are willing to call Trump out on some of his more stupid/inane shit and poor hires.

            In the main though, we don't have an open boarder being flooded by illegals the like which you island folks just can't comprehend.

            We also are cutting all the Lefty DEI reverse racism crap, mutilating kids, etc.

            Also growing business investment which will, as it has in the past with him, increase employment and raise wages.

            I understand you prefer your version of reality.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: This is illegal

              PLEASE get rid of Pam Bondi!!! Time to bring back Matt Gaetz.

              "which you island folks just can't comprehend"

              This is so true. Life is a lot simpler when the edge of your country is defined by a big chunk of water. We in the UK forget that we've had a stable boarder since the last ice age. You get a blank look from certain types when you suggest that Ukraine should hand back the land that was historically Poland.

              1. BILL_ME

                Re: This is illegal

                Pam is a drame poster girl who knows it pleases Trump to appear Loud and Proud.

                His post yesterday though seems to show he's realizing she is a boat anchor on actually doing anything.

                They need someone willing to bulldog through using the available powers, statutes and laws on the books.

                Not sure IC will ever let that happen, Patel and Bongino seem to have been tamed.

      3. Gary Stewart Silver badge

        Re: This is illegal

        Much easier and more direct to just call them the Supine Court. That's what I've been doing for several weeks now. Although I do feel using that is a disservice to the three justices that fight against overwhelming odds to follow the Constitution and the law instead of just making shit up like full presidential immunity for criminal actions. Which explains why it is now OK to blow small boats and people out of international waters without providing any evidence of wrongdoing, assigning police duties to the National Guard and other military personnel, kidnapping people off the streets with skin color being the only reasonable cause needed, taking bribes, using the office of the President for business purposes to enrich themselves and their families, and many more all in direct violation of the Constitution and their oath of office, so help me Trump. This oath is valid for a limited time only while the right hand is firmly placed on a Trump "bible" and the oath of office concluding with "god bless the USA". Please note that the Trump "bible" must be purchased in advance at the low low price of $100,000 in Trump crypto of course, batteries not included. You even get to keep it for a small retaining fee.

    2. HorseflySteve

      Re: This is illegal

      So what? Trump will get his chums in the Supreme Court to rubber stamp it.

      Even if they don't, they've granted the President immunity from prosecution so there'll be no consequences and, given he's stated that "you 'll never have to vote again", he may well be in office for the rest of his life.

      When are the majority of people in the US going to realise that they now have a dictator who is above the law and the much revered US Constitution, designed to stop exactly that, has been torn into squares that are hanging on a nail next to Donald Trump's presidential toilet?

      1. werdsmith Silver badge

        Re: This is illegal

        Is that metaphor your own work?

        If it was, well done.

        It it is plagiarised, thanks for bringing it.

        1. HorseflySteve

          Re: This is illegal

          I don't know TBH. I could tell you what I was doing when I posted it but that would be TMI....

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I had a client that got H1-B visas for programmers, mostly from eastern Europe and India, then rented them out to Silicon Valley tech companies for 1-year or longer contracts. They invited me to their holiday parties and I went to one.

    Even though they retired several years ago, to me it’s still a major mega burn that they supported Trump. I cut off communication with them after they gleefully jumped head first down the right-wing media hole and embraced Satan’s orange gimp.

    For those of you still living in democracies, to me the cautionary tale of the US is our catastrophe of allowing relentless serial-lying media to brainwash simple-minded people eager to have their animal bias-buttons pushed. I worked with clients who left TVs blaring lie after lie all day spewed by right wing news stations while the clients (former clients) blandly soaked it all in as fact. I corrected a few of the most basic obvious lies I overheard but they just acted confused.

    The Simpsons, btw, funded Fox in its early days and Fox might have failed without it.

    So never ever make a deal with devil just for high payout. That includes the producers of The Apprentice, which validated Trump to so many people.

    Plus allowing dumb locally approved education systems that leave most of the population unable to tell which hamburger has more meat, the 1/3 pounder or 1/4 pounder, resulting in Dairy Queen discontinuing its 1/3 pounder because customers thought it was more expensive for less meat.

    1. Dan 55 Silver badge

      According to Snopes it was A&W not Dairy Queen, but I'll take it.

      Also that happened in the early 1980s. Imagine the downward IQ trajectory of the average MAGAt since then if they started off having trouble with basic fractions in the 1980s.

      1. zuckzuckgo
        Facepalm

        The faithful remain confident Trump would win any future election since his voting base is somewhere around 1/3. The way things are going he may even be able to get it as high as 1/4.

        He is a man of the people after all.

  8. Mitoo Bobsworth

    Shut up & eat your broccoli

    America has become the loud, idiot child the rest of the World has to be mindful of. Just so you know guys, it's a real pain in the arse monitoring your behaviour.

    1. Gary Stewart Silver badge

      Re: Shut up & eat your broccoli

      There are actually only about 30 - 40 million of them, not counting the ~30 million that were not smart enough to understand that when Trump said he didn't care about them, he only cared about their votes* he really meant it. But the loud idiots work hard to drown out the sane voters and the idiot in chief does his best to shit on every other country in the world, Russia, China, Hungary, North Korea, and maybe Turkey excluded of course giving the old phrase ugly Americans a distinctly darker than the original meaning.

      * Yes he really did say that to a crowd of followers at a rally. Apparently the 70+ million of his voters thought that was a good(?) thing proving beyond a reasonable doubt that they are truly idiots or dangerously gullible or both. It does at least prove that not everything he says is a lie.

      1. Mike007

        Re: Shut up & eat your broccoli

        He doesn't care about those "vote" thingies any more...

  9. sanmigueelbeer
    Coat

    unless employers make a $100,000 payment bribe with the petition

    TFTFY & TYVM

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Yep, the brown envelopes are just on top of the table instead of under it.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        *Brown* envelopes? Only Pure American white envelopes wanted around here.

  10. MachDiamond Silver badge

    For $100k

    For that amount of money, it will be easier for companies to open an off-shore office to employ the people they really want as well as other staff. The downside is that the operation of that off-shore office will be a legal business expense and tax deductible. The person would still be allowed to visit the US for meetings and for projects that are better done in-person as an employee of the company. All it does is make it less feasible to have them working in the US.

    Tightening up the requirements for those visas and making companies beg for them would be easier and I think some sort of fee could be applicable, but not $100k. That's just plain ludicrous.

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: For $100k

      "The person would still be allowed to visit the US for meetings and for projects"

      In theory, yes. In practice they may be detained and chained up for a photo-shoot.

    2. Roland6 Silver badge

      Re: For $100k

      Looks like Palantir are ahead of the game…

      “ Palantir plans to make the UK its European HQ for defense. The move will create up to 350 new jobs, an official announcement stated.‘

      [ https://www.theregister.com/2025/09/20/uk_palantir_defense_pact/ ]

      All it seems with Trump’s blessing, okay that was yesterday and tomorrow things will most probably be different (I’m not sure how this deal will impact the US-UK balance of trade, I suspect the net result will be the US spending more in the UK, adding to Trump’s perception that the UK is taking advantage of the US…

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: For $100k

        "All it seems with Trump’s blessing"

        Why wouldn't he. Get us to pay to have a US listening post implanted in MoD.

  11. abend0c4 Silver badge

    Workers who face the prospect of being deported

    I'm sure the government will find ways to maintain the number under threat from other sources.

    1. ChrisElvidge Silver badge

      Re: Workers who face the prospect of being deported

      What the right-wing nut jobs (Farage / Yaxley-Lennon) don't seem to realise is that if you deport all the workers from the Indian sub-continent, who will cook Britain's National Dish - chicken tikka masala?

      1. MachDiamond Silver badge

        Re: Workers who face the prospect of being deported

        "who will cook Britain's National Dish - chicken tikka masala?"

        There's people that still cook? I thought all food was produced in a factory and delivered by some druggy on a scooter.

  12. Dr Paul Taylor

    Academic collaboration

    This puts the kibosh on academic collaboration. This is typically done in a much more informal way than in the industries envisaged in this article and comments. One might arrange with a colleague for their research grant to pay for a week in a hotel, maybe following a nearby conference.

    I have learned that everyone encounters a donkey-hole of an American immigration officer sooner or later.

    Mine was after a conference in Vancouver, when I was trying to get on a plane to San Francisco to "visit" and "work with" a colleague at Stanford. I didn't allow for the fact that academics use these words differently from other people. The only "work" I would do was to give a seminar and talk with my colleague and his grad students. My only "payment" would be for my hotel. Fortunately I managed to contact my colleague and get him to send a fax saying this and I could get on the plane. This was long before The Orange One.

    Now people are afraid to go to Trumpistan and I have seen postings on academic mailing lists urging relocation of conferences from there. This $100k H1B thing represents yet another risk. People whose total research grants are only this much will just not be able to take the risk of short visits to their American collaborators, maybe even of going to conferences.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Academic collaboration

      > This puts the kibosh on academic collaboration

      So that's another one of DT's Project 2025 goals accomplished.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Academic collaboration

        Re-read the post. You missed "This was long before The Orange One."

  13. HorseflySteve

    Re: Reality check

    "How many of them were arrested for saying these things?"

    I'll answer that: none. Anyone arrested during these rallies would probably have been arrested on suspicion on public order offences, not on the basis of their opinions. They would have been detained and either released without charge, or charged to appear before a magistrate where, if found guilty would most likely have been given a fine or conditional discharge. It is highly unlikely that they would be jailed.

    '"Mohammed". I'm glad Muslims as a group have apparently settled on the "correct" spelling. It's a welcome sign of improving education and integration.'

    There are still a few variations in the spelling, however I believe this is a case where cultural influences are skewing the statistics.

    Traditionally, UK families of non-muslim faith tend to name their sons after significant family members, such as fathers, grandfather's favourite uncles, etc. sometimes as first names, other times as middle names (as in my case). However, in Muslim faith families, I suspect that it is traditional to name all sons Mohammed (or variant spelling) out of respect and use middle names in everyday conversation.

    Thus, of 100 male children born there may be 10 named Mohammed, 8 named Oliver, 5 named Bernard, Robert, Arthur, Charles, James, John, Luke, Mark, Bruce or Eric, etc with a smattering of Steve's, Dwaynes, Jays, Finlays and Donalds.

    So in this example, Mohammed is the most common first name but only given to 10% of the children.

    1. W.S.Gosset Silver badge

      Re: Reality check

      >"How many of them were arrested for saying these things?"

      >I'll answer that: none. <then plays language games to create strawman>

      Just by way of real-world perspective on the actual point:

      you've had 2 people arrested this week, in separate "incidents", for calling someone a muppet.

      I took the time to watch the videos because that seemed too insane even for Starmer & co, but nope: that's hi-viz coppers declaring the offence as required all right.

      Somewhere between astonishing and deeply chilling.

      Might be time for a moment of reflection, guys. Remember, Bian Zhongyun actually killed deplorables for the sake of proper government, but she was still killed herself when convenient. Song was féted by Mao for killing the earnest loyal servant, but still got purged herself later, when convenient.

      There is no personal safety in this path.

      1. HorseflySteve

        Re: Reality check

        I'm sorry if my description of police procedures in the UK doesn't match the in-depth research you have made that makes you an expert in UK policing.

        Perhaps you'd be good enough to share the links to the 2 videos you mention so we can all review these 'incidents'

      2. Lon24 Silver badge

        Re: Reality check

        you've had 2 people arrested this week, in separate "incidents", for calling someone a muppet.

        Source? Google & Alison Pearson appear to be unaware.

    2. MachDiamond Silver badge

      Re: Reality check

      "Traditionally, UK families of non-muslim faith tend to name their sons after significant family members, such as fathers, grandfather's favourite uncles, etc. sometimes as first names, other times as middle names (as in my case). "

      There's a large hispanic population where I live and they name their sons Jesus and their Daughters Maria (Mary).

  14. OhForF'

    $100k

    Implementing a rule that any applicant earning less than $100k a year is automatically denied would be a good idea to ensure companies bring in skilled workers. Asking for the same amount for processing the application seems more like abusing power.

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: $100k

      "more like abusing power"

      Standard operating practice.

  15. W.S.Gosset Silver badge

    Some actual data

    Applications are currently running at over 1,000% of visa cap, so temporarily adding steep friction to brake the gamesmanship & admin cost is valid.

    H1-Bs were CREATED for ultra-topend tech jobs, so 100k per original intent in current market is MAX ~3mths salary. 3mths is a budget sign-on bonus in the ultrahighskill market. So this is merely a friction not a stopper if you're actually using H1Bs as intended.

    Outside a few household names (Google, Amazon, etc), the overwhelming majority of tech applications is from Indian bodyshops. Cognizant, Infosys, Tata, Wipro, etc. Donkey work, not high skill work. The payrates are overwhelmingly between $80-120k: that's sub-market in those locations even for donkey work.

    Summary: H1Bs are gamed and have been gamed for a very long time. The effect is not to bring in talent but to siphon out value. Not just financial but sociocultural: locals excluded from what they've created.

    Correction is needed. I don't think this Trump temporary measure is ideal but it's a step in the right direction and can work as a prototype to guesstimate impact of longer-term measures going forward.

    It's certainly better than nothing, and since there's ~zero use of H1Bs for their intended purpose, and since the actual current use is negative for American tech workers, there's ~zero downside.

  16. cookiecutter Silver badge

    UK should do the same!

    i never thought i'd are with anything trump does not the UK should do the same AND charge £100k extra tax for every job offshored to india or south africa.

    1. Claude Yeller Silver badge

      Re: UK should do the same!

      Funny, I remember reports of how the UK commerce, transport, and healthcare grinded to a halt when foreign workers were denied entry.

      I also saw reports that the UK is desperately looking for healthcare professionals in Africa.

      1. cookiecutter Silver badge

        Re: UK should do the same!

        and yet the so called "sort of talent" UK IT industry has 1000s unemployed because of VISA shenanigans by the consultancies.

        The UK world have zero medical or care home shortages if "market forces" were used in warmges & training & were weren't charging students £70k+ be doctors or nurses.

        If care hone staff were paid by demand rather than minimum wage, there would be no shortage.

        law should be.. can't find someone at 24k, then aversive at 50k, can't find that, then advertise at £100k, THEN you can ship in labour at £100,001.

        as to the usual.. no one will pay that.. they will if they can't ship in virtual slave labour, private equity opened care homes charge up to £2500/WEEKS! and just because councils have to pay it, still doesn't mean cheap labour should be used!

        GENUINELY fuck this shit! i've been out 8 months (infrastructure, cyber security, cloud, DC etc) , i know REALLY good guys who've been outv over a year & now london buses are advertising jobs where you earn more as a bus driver than an IT manager. This ponzi scheme of s country is quite happy to ship jobs offshore AND even government contracts allow offshored staff, which SHOULD be illegal & visas are being given out like confetti. The number of people leaving IT in a field that's "short of talent" is stunning.

        £100k minimum wages for shipped in labour should be the law. There's plenty of people who'll happily do medical & care home jobs for that money. is just everyone in this country wants everything cheap until it's THEIR jobs that go & most ppl who support this stuff only do so because they're too dumb to realise their there work be no jobs for their kids bar shelf packing at tesco

        1. Claude Yeller Silver badge

          Re: UK should do the same!

          "The UK world have zero medical or care home shortages if "market forces" were used in warmges & training & were weren't charging students £70k+ be doctors or nurses."

          Ah, the Libertarian illusion. The market will solve everything.

          Except, market driven healthcare has high wages, but even higher costs. It invariably leaves a large part of the population without adequate healthcare. The US is not the only example, but it is the richest.

          BTW, the NHS is the reason the UK has the lowest healthcare spending of the rich countries. The level of care it delivers seems to be better than that in the US.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: UK should do the same!

            "NHS is the reason the UK has the lowest healthcare spending of the rich countries"

            Cos its crap! I have not bothered with an NHS GP in over 10 years. It is so much easier being able to actually get through on the phone and be offered an appointment for the next, or even SAME, day.

            The US does not have a healthcare market. It has a consolidated virtual monopoly ravaged by corruption and cronyism. But that is OK as it keeps the politicians rich. This is what happens when you let the insurance companies write the laws....

            1. Claude Yeller Silver badge

              Re: The US does not have a healthcare market.

              "The US does not have a healthcare market. It has a consolidated virtual monopoly ravaged by corruption and cronyism."

              So which countries do have a free and open healthcare market?

              I am really curious.

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: The US does not have a healthcare market.

                You were the one who made the following claim:

                "Except, market driven healthcare has high wages, but even higher costs. It invariably leaves a large part of the population without adequate healthcare. The US is not the only example, but it is the richest."

                So, can you give examples?

                I was simply commenting that the US does NOT have what anyone could describe as a 'market'. Here in the UK if I want to go to a private dentist, GP or even take my pet to the vet I can get a pretty accurate idea of the costs BEFORE I commit and I can compare different providers. In the US the clinics and hospitals charge different amounts depending on which insurer you are insured with and generally won't give you an up front cost even for basic procedures. Similarly medication costs are different, and even what medication you can get is different, depending on your insurer as each one gets different kickbacks from the pharma companies.

                1. Claude Yeller Silver badge

                  Re: The US does not have a healthcare market.

                  "So, can you give examples?"

                  It is funny. If you search for it, you get:

                  Real-Life Examples of Free Market Healthcare Systems That Have Worked, which are not as "free" as you seem to want.

                  1. Anonymous Coward
                    Anonymous Coward

                    Re: The US does not have a healthcare market.

                    Well, there you go, you answered your own question finally. Shame the point of my comments sailed clean over your head.

                    You could add Germany to that list as they have a mostly privately run healthcare system. The difference between them and the USA is that the health insurance companies don't have a death grip on the government nor do they have the likes of 'pharmacy benefit managers' raking in the backhanders.

                    1. Claude Yeller Silver badge

                      Re: The US does not have a healthcare market.

                      "Shame the point of my comments sailed clean over your head."

                      All these examples are countries that have a strong state controled base insurance with universal coverage. Except for the USA.

                      1. Anonymous Coward
                        Anonymous Coward

                        Re: The US does not have a healthcare market.

                        Do you need a pair of binoculars? Although I think the point has gone over the horizon now.

                        These are also countries that are lacking rampant corrupt, protectionist, crony governments that are in the pocket of the healthcare providers, insurance companies and pharma giants. There is a good reason an epipen costs 5x as much in the USA compared to Europe/UK. The USA will NEVER break this system as it is FAR too profitable for the government officials who get backhanders. For all the blithering and hand waving done by the likes of AOC and Elizabeth Warren they won't ever bite the hand that feeds them.

      2. MachDiamond Silver badge

        Re: UK should do the same!

        "Funny, I remember reports of how the UK commerce, transport, and healthcare grinded to a halt when foreign workers were denied entry."

        That's a case of rapid change. If a throttle was set on entries, reducing them over several months to a year, there would be time for companies to adapt. If a total ban goes into effect on Monday with little notice, companies are left scrambling to sort out how they will make adjustments. Smaller companies will do better as they don't first have to fight through their internal red tape to get to a decision.

        It's my usual refrain of 'change' not being an issue, but problems arising from rapid change.

        1. Claude Yeller Silver badge

          Re: Change

          "It's my usual refrain of 'change' not being an issue, but problems arising from rapid change."

          The current main change is demographics. The UK workforce is shrinking, and it will do so for the nexts decades

  17. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    $100k

    Unless they are female, hot and you get their number

    - Donny

  18. elsergiovolador Silver badge

    Cheap

    Still cheap for a slave.

  19. Number6

    I saw something go by late last night that needs more verification, that claims this fee is going to be retroactive and that anyone turning up at immigration with an H1B isn't going to be allowed in unless the fee payment is on their record, even if they've been living here for a while. The advice is that anyone on an H1B who's in the US stays in the US, and anyone with an H1B who's currently out of the country should get back before the rule kicks in. The advice also says that those on a derivative visa (H4?) should also do the same. It can certainly be read that way, and with the behaviour of the current US administration, assume the worst case.

    Section 2(c):

    (c) The Department of Homeland Security and the Department of State shall coordinate to take all necessary and appropriate action to implement this proclamation and to deny entry to the United States to any H-1B nonimmigrant for whom the prospective employer has not made the payment described in section 1 of this proclamation.

    1. MachDiamond Silver badge

      "The advice is that anyone on an H1B who's in the US stays in the US, and anyone with an H1B who's currently out of the country should get back before the rule kicks in."

      They may also want to not come back if they don't have to. The company sponsoring them may decide to cut them loose rather than pay the fee which might lead to a revocation of the visa and the person needing to leave the country in short order. It would be better to leave on one's own schedule/terms.

  20. Version 1.0
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    I was sent to the US from the UK in the 70's to keep the British company medical equipment working, Initially I had to fly from the US to the UK regularly every year to renew my visa. The company paid that every time for years and then saved money by paying the cost of getting my permanent US working residency so with a US passport as well as my UK passport I had no problems living in the US. This year I've quit the US and returned to the UK (icon) so I'm happier now.

    1. MachDiamond Silver badge

      "This year I've quit the US and returned to the UK (icon) so I'm happier now."

      Graham Chapman held dual citizenship and would show his UK passport in the US if stopped for poor driving and vice versa with a story that he was on his way to the airport to return to the other country. Supposedly, it got him out of a bunch of tickets. Some people with dual citizenships will use what ever passport is going to draw the least amount of attention/grief in the country they are visiting.

    2. Dinanziame Silver badge

      This year I've quit the US and returned to the UK (icon) so I'm happier now.

      Sadly, you will still have to file tax returns in the US, unless you pay to relinquish your US citizenship...

  21. Remurkable1

    Post-docs are screwed

    This will also further damage universities and their research, as post-doctoral researchers are covered by these visas, as well.

    1. Dinanziame Silver badge

      Re: Post-docs are screwed

      Really? I thought they had J-1 visas.

  22. gecho

    Exemptions for political favors

    If your big tech company helps Trump undermine democracy and crush dissent you can have a waiver.

  23. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    car crash

    This whole sad slow motion car crash began a long time ago.

    A population that is too busy working probably doesnt have much time to get angry about anything. All driven out by the invention of certifications and constant renewal of them.

    Eventually people assume they are not good enough for something.

    Like fish flapping in a drying puddle USA bosses just interested in saving themselves just went along with the short term fixes to get to the end of their careers.

  24. powershift

    Seeing is believing

    Last time I heard the name Tata, a recruiter reached out to me over the phone and wanted me to apply for a job $65 hr that I was a good fit for. Then to be submitted, I needed give consent to sell my data. No thanks.

    I'll know if the new rules actually help because job openings for me right now are pretty slim to none. If people can't hire from Tata it isn't like they will get more budget so they can buy locally. MS will find a way to game it as will Amazon and the others. Overall its probably just marketing and another way for our King to profit and/or earn favors.

    1. cookiecutter Silver badge

      Re: Seeing is believing

      TSC are a joke! i hear a call from s recruiter who said the client didn't want to be named. so he read the job spec, which genuinely sounded like it had been written by a 5 year old. couple that with the wages being offered & that the job spec covered 3 multiple unrelated jobs, I guessed it was TCS & he said yep...utterly useless.

      when you see how scattered spider hacked M&S and you realise that it would have been SO EASY to protect those Vmware servers, you could already guess who they'd outsourced to

      1. MachDiamond Silver badge

        Re: Seeing is believing

        "which genuinely sounded like it had been written by a 5 year old"

        Welcome to the exciting and fulfilling field of HR where your Gender Studies degree can take you further than you've ever dreamed.

    2. MachDiamond Silver badge

      Re: Seeing is believing

      "Then to be submitted, I needed give consent to sell my data. No thanks."

      That scam operates under all sorts of guises. I've had emails from "contest" operators that claim my photographic work might do well in their current contest. In order to enter, I have to submit a stack of my best photos for pre-judging and sign a form giving them unlimited rights (other than exclusivity) to the images. Top prize is something like $1,000 and some donated gear that may not be relevant to me. The reason for the contest is to harvest a certain genre of images to sell in a stock image website. All of the prizes in combination will be a tiny fraction of 1% of what they'd have to pay to license said images.

      The cruise ship job scam is where applicants have to pay a fee to have their applications submitted. Cruise ship operators don't work that way and won't deal with those sorts of recruiters. They pay the recruiters for each qualified person they hire with a condition they last a certain period of time without being disciplined or dismissed.

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: Seeing is believing

        The photo contest could be the basis for a little harmless fun. Pseudonymously* submit some images from an outfit known to be particularly vigorous in pursuing their IP. If you could work out the stock image site they went to and tip off the copyright owner so much the better.

        * You wouldn't be at risk of not being able to claim the $1,000 prize.

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