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Finnish phone maker HMD Global is launching a business unit called HMD Secure to target governments and other security-critical customers, and has its first device ready to go. feature phone Feature phones all the rage as parents try to shield kids from harm READ MORE HMD, or Human Mobile Devices, is the biz started by …

  1. ICL1900-G3 Silver badge

    Nokia

    Much missed. A European phone, albeit with a Qualcomm chip, sounds attractive in today's troubled world.

    1. Ken G Silver badge

      Re: Nokia

      Maybe the next version will be RISC-V?

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    OS

    If it is going to be secure I wonder which OS it will have?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: OS

      Perhaps there is a clue in the article? "Its first product is an Android-based smartphone, the HMD Ivalo XE..."

      Perhaps that is not a clue however.

      1. Yorick Hunt Silver badge
        Meh

        Re: OS

        Perhaps if it's AOSP-based, sans Google Services (and associated apps), they could market it as "mostly secure."

        Several porcine squadrons will need to circumnavigate the globe without once landing, before that happens.

      2. graemep Bronze badge

        Re: OS

        So (unless its really AOSP as another comment suggested) it will be controlled by an American company - the entire OS will be supplied by an American company, and . It does sound as though they are rebuilding from source and I assume updates will come from HMD rather than Google (that would make it entirely pointless) so some auditing of source will be possible (although not necessarily practical).

        If its not AOSP what about app installs? If it is Google Android then only apps from Google approved developers will be installable from year after next.

        If it is AOSP its a very narrow market - people with jobs sensitive enough to make it work carrying a separate work phone for security. Graphene etc. already have issues with getting apps to work on non-Google controlled phones and that is only going to get worse once they block installs of non-approved apps altogether. That means one phone for work, and another for personal things like banking if you use these.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: OS

          Yeah, (assuming Google-infested) Android. Secure… «laughs hollowly»

          Maybe they should have looked a little bit closer to home and should have seen if they could have worked with the Sailfish OS folk?

    2. picamanic

      Re: OS

      They will have to rip out the Malware and Spyware from Android to make it really secure.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: OS

        Couldn't you just sandbox within that? Separate Mail, Messaging, Browser.

        Google Apps will always be Google Apps, but park a secure section within that and you are in a better place.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: OS

          That is effectively what happens when you install applications and email accounts via profiles in iOS: you create a separate secure container for it. It would be good if Android got that feature too, provided it is supported by the same secure chipset approach.

          I suspect that's where their development is heading.

    3. WaveSynthBeep

      Re: OS

      The GrapheneOS folks have been talking to an unnamed 'major vendor' in case Google's shenanigans over Pixels get too hostile. I wonder if we might put 2 and 2 together...?

  3. GDM
    Go

    ESN

    Handsets just in time for the ESN procurement? Could be a nice bit of business for HMD if not stitched up with another vendor already?

    1. WaveSynthBeep

      Re: ESN

      I assume that's what the 16 pin connector is for, to attach whatever radio interface you need for TETRA or equivalent.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Still a US chipset? Crypto AG v2?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Beat me to it

    2. Kurgan Silver badge

      Since there is NO other option at the moment, what else can you do?

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    USB-C?

    'The phone features a specialized connector, the Fusion 3.1 modularity system with a 16-pin (USB 3.1) connection, to add extra hardware including radios, batteries, and sensors as part of an optional "Tactical Outfit."'

    No mention (that I can see in the article) of an EU mandated USB-C connection - or are EU manufacturers exempt?

    1. Anonymous Coward Silver badge
      Big Brother

      Re: USB-C?

      No mention because it doesn't need mentioning. It's on the device though. The 16-pin connector is additional and is what you see on the back, to facilitate add-on modules.

    2. williamyf Silver badge

      Re: USB-C?

      Is usb-c-pd for charging (and data) and a second propiertary connecttor. Nothing wrong with that.

  6. williamyf Silver badge

    there are two ways to resolve the NON-EU SoC connundrum

    One is to mittigtate by diversifying. Use an USoAn SoC, a korean SoC and a taiwanese SoC and let the customer agencies pick their poison. I guess the hungarians will NOT go for the USoAn SoC.

    In the longer term, develop an european SoC, probably based in RISC-V (ARM is essentialy Japanese at this point) suitable for cellphone usage. Probably that will require a broad consortia of european academia, govt, and industry, with subsidies galore.

    JM2C

    YMMV

    1. werdsmith Silver badge

      Re: there are two ways to resolve the NON-EU SoC connundrum

      And use Jolla Sailfish for the OS. They are just 150km down the road.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: there are two ways to resolve the NON-EU SoC connundrum

      The EU is a vassal state of the USA, don't pretend otherwise. The proof? It is entirely dependent on the USA for its security.

      1. williamyf Silver badge

        Re: there are two ways to resolve the NON-EU SoC connundrum

        Be as it may, you can be a vassal, but you do not need to ask the barron for every little detail of your life, and as a vassal you can even do some small rebellions.

        Discovering via Snowden/manninng/Wikileaks that the USoA was spying suppoed "Allies" like merkel did not sit too well with the europeans.

        So, a "soverign phone with android but easily flasheable to Graphene" is a small rebellion against the barron.

        PS: I was born AND live in LatAm, so I do not care one way or the other. This is just an intellectual excercise for me.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: there are two ways to resolve the NON-EU SoC connundrum

          Latin America? Hopefully far away from Venezuela because that's the next country set to receive the regime change treatment from Uncle Sam. Apparently they've already got a compliant puppet waiting in the wings to take over.

          The motivation? Ensuring stability in the oil markets once the West has been fully disconnected from Russian supplies. Without such action, the Europeans in particular are going to get extremely cold this winter!

          1. williamyf Silver badge

            Re: there are two ways to resolve the NON-EU SoC connundrum

            Actualy, is not a secret (if you read my past comments on ElReg, as I say the exact contry from time to time), so I am not doxing myself or anything, but I DO live in Venezuela.

            The Strike force the USoA sent is too big to just hunt for narcos, but too small for an invasion. And probably too small to support military coup d'état as well.

            ¿What's the purpose of the strike force then? Only time will tell.

            And I do not subcribe the "Is about the oil" hypotesis. Currently, only chevron has a sanctions exception to extract oil from Venezuela. If the USoA wanted to lend a hand to their european "vassals" to wane themselves from russian oil, they would give similar exceptions to Eni (Italy), Repsol (Spain) and Maurel & Prom (france), like they had until may this year. But so far, nothing. So no, is not about oil. Is some other thing. But again, only time will tell. And that time will be meassured in several lustres.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: there are two ways to resolve the NON-EU SoC connundrum

        Bwahahaha, yeah, sure, you just keep beating your chest and shouting USA USA while you believe that.

      3. Casca Silver badge

        Re: there are two ways to resolve the NON-EU SoC connundrum

        You AC are funny. Not in a haha way mostly in a sad pathetic way.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    A Quick Review

    I don't know you.

    I don't know who you're beholden to.

    I don't know your people.

    I don't know your processes.

    Your "trusted partners" are not my trusted partners.

    I have no cost-effective way to verify the thing inside your little plastic box does only what you claim it does.

    Now, what was that "secure" thing you are trying to sell me?

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Secured by

    Crypto AG with apps by the team that brought you Encrochat?

  9. pc-fluesterer.info
    FAIL

    As long as Qualcomm is in it, the Three-Letter-Agencies are in it.

    If you don't control EVERYTHING in the device, including baseband, you never know which backdoors may be hidden in the proprietary HW and code. Qualcomm is a US-firm that has gotten a NSL for sure. Qualcomm has a record of security holes suspected to be backdoors. I for one wouldn't put money on this device.

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