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A team of networking boffins has published fresh research on hollow fiber cables that it claims could offer the lowest ever recorded optical loss for a fiber – meaning the signal would weaken less as it travels, leading to faster speeds and lower latencies. Abstract illustration of a global datacenter What happens when we can …

  1. DarkwavePunk Silver badge

    Groovy

    I remember reading about this tech yonks ago. Thought it would just be another dead end. Glad to see some real progress on this. Always had an interest optics since finding a reference book of formulas for it as a teen.

    1. druck Silver badge

      Re: Groovy

      Normally being bought by Microsoft guarantees it will become a dead end.

  2. ThatOne Silver badge
    Facepalm

    Jeez...

    > "allow for faster networks that benefit everything from AI model training"

    Of course, if you search for an example of what faster, better networks might be good for, "AI" is obviously the first (only?) thing that comes to mind...

    "Somebody think of the children AI already!"

    1. munnoch Silver badge

      Re: Jeez...

      Lessens the argument that data centres need to be near large populations because of latency. Instead move the data centres to where acquiring power and cooling resources causes the least damage.

      1. Like a badger Silver badge

        Re: Jeez...

        Up to a point. If DC's currently "need" to be on the M25 to serve London, then when this tech hits the market, they can be 50% further away but that still won't get them outside the Home Counties, eg Welwyn instead of Potters Bar, or Bracknell rather than Chertsey.

        Might find some grid capacity that's scarce within or on the M25, and reduce the land costs a bit, but isn't going to address power generation sources and cooling needs.

      2. ThatOne Silver badge

        Re: Jeez...

        > Lessens the argument that data centres need to be near large populations because of latency.

        Never ever! That's like saying that because ingredients got cheaper the end product will get cheaper too... :-D

        Besides, there are two cases: Those who need speed (like trading) will gladly invest in this new technology and still want to be as close to the stock market as can be, and those who don't really care about the speed gain won't waste their money and keep their existing lines (and data centers).

        1. stiine Silver badge

          Re: Jeez...

          Traders won't buy it because the stock markets already artificially delay network traffic to make all traders equal distance (by fiber) away.

          Even if you don't care about speed, increasing the distance between repeaters will lower the cost of long distance, especially undersea, cables.

    2. Kurgan Silver badge

      A different enshittification needs this

      There is another enshittification that needs this, and that's the first thing that came to my mind when I read the latency improvement: that's high frequency trading. Just another way to make money out of thin air that will bring our economy to a complete collapse sooner than later.

  3. Sparkypatrick

    Congratulations!

    You have invented the networking equivalent of Betamax.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Congratulations!

      My first reaction was "that's harsh".

      And then I thought, hold on Microsoft have invested in them, now there's the kiss of death.

  4. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

    Will it make Windows 11 fast again?

    Or Azure more reliable?

    Make Microsoft listen to customers?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Will it make Windows 11 fast again?

      Wait for Microsoft "Hollow OS". Where CoPilot rules.

    2. blu3b3rry Silver badge

      Re: Will it make Windows 11 fast again?

      It'll allow copilot to respond to any questions with the usuall bollocks it comes up with, just far faster.

    3. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
      Mushroom

      Re: Will it make Windows 11 fast again?

      Make Microsoft listen to customers?

      To be fair, Microsoft DO LISTEN to their customers. Just not the customers' wants and needs, but they grab the customers' data. This will just make the transfer of the data back to the mothership more efficient and increase the data grab.

  5. Chewi

    I used to work with one of these boffins. He was telling me about it just the other week. People think what I do at MS is a bit weird, but few would imagine they do this kind of thing, let alone in a small English market town. Very cool.

    1. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
      Black Helicopters

      small English market town...

      Will Nadella drop by on a flying visit one day, just like Ginny the Chopper did to IBM Hursley a few miles up the road...

      https://www.theregister.com/2017/05/30/ibm_ceo_rometty_tries_to_erase_the/

  6. david 12 Silver badge

    Not for undersea cables?

    I've got an idea that as air pressure increases, the index of refraction shoots up for gasses.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Not for undersea cables?

      "I've got an idea that as air pressure increases, the index of refraction shoots up for gasses."

      You are thinking that this fiber under significant hydrostatic pressure and the hollow inner part were gas filled and equilibrated with the external pressure that the RI of that gas would negatively impact the optical properties of hollow fiber ?

      Given the general state of lunacy sweeping the globe there might be a market for cylinders of ultra pure high pressure vacuum. ;)

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: Not for undersea cables?

        Can you tariff imports of purest 'nothing' ?

        1. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge

          Re: Not for undersea cables?

          Don't give Trump ideas

      2. Fred Daggy Silver badge
        Coat

        Re: Not for undersea cables?

        OceanGate already have the market cornered on that one.

        Too soon?

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Nothing new

    AWS has been using hollow fiber in its backbone for ages.

    Just waiting now for MS to add 'hollow fiber routing' as part of a new M365 licence option. A snip at an extra $50 /MB !!

  8. Frostbane
    Happy

    Wow, this is a really exciting development! Hollow-core fiber finally achieving losses below 0.1 dB/km is huge — it could seriously reduce latency between datacenters and improve mobile networks. A 45% speed boost over conventional fiber and potential 5–10× wider bandwidth could transform everything from AI model training to autonomous vehicles and remote surgery. Also, the energy savings from needing fewer amplifiers is a nice bonus. Can’t wait to see this scaled up in the next few years!

    1. AMBxx Silver badge
      Holmes

      Did you summarise the article using CoPilot?

  9. headrush

    I always thought Bucatini was better than spaghetti.

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