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Senior officials are being summoned to the UK's Science, Innovation and Technology Committee to explain why the government has not fully implemented the security recommendations made in a secret review following the 2021 Afghan data breach. Chi Onwurah, chair of the committee that pushed for the secret review to be published …

  1. ParlezVousFranglais Silver badge
    Holmes

    According to the BBC, there were secret meetings between the ICO and MoD where written notes were forbidden - so no wonder that nobody knows what's going on as two different government departments have deliberately designed it that way between themselves.

    Seems the ICO is marking it's own homework if they have allowed the MoD to dictate the terms of their investigation, and further allowed the MoD to ignore actually implementing the required changes necessary to protect personal data and enforcing the law - heads on both sides should roll for this one...

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      "Seems the ICO is marking it's own homework if they have allowed the MoD to dictate the terms of their investigation"

      It's the MoD that owns the guns and the MPs (no, not those MPs) so setting the terms would have been a bit one-sided.

      1. ParlezVousFranglais Silver badge
        Coat

        Ah!- no, it's the army that has the guns - the MoD has a plethora of pen pushers who could maybe threaten you with a pencil if only they could work out how to use the pencil sharpener, led by senior staff who could make the average PHB look competent. This is the reason for the problem in the first place...

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          As one of those "plethora of pen pushers" (hence posting as AC) I can assure you that (at least within my sphere of operations) we well know how to sharpen a pencil, and we have far more dangerous options if we wished to use them. I realise it's convenient to consider all civil servants as useless pen(cil) pushers, but for example, in my team we have chartered engineers, varied qualifications right up to doctorates in some rather specialised stuff we can't talk about, and many ex-services people for their "hands on" experience with the systems we are responsible for. It would be fun to say it's rocket science, but alas my team doesn't deal with that side of things.

  2. sitta_europea

    Cast your minds back to the early 1900s.

    Suddenly there were lots of motor vehicles on the public roads in the hands of completely untrained users.

    Result: carnage.

    There was no Highway Code. Here in the UK we had to wait until 1931 for that.

    There were no driving licences. Where I live, it wasn't until 1933 that you had to pass an examination of competence to get one.

    There were no Ministry of Transport vehicle tests. Believe it or not they didn't come in until 1960 - which was several years after my first three motorcycles were built - and even then it was voluntary until the Powers That Be realized with dismay how large a proportion of the vehicles were failing the tests.

    Gradually we started to get to grips with putting potentially dangerous equipment in the hands of a public by and large incompetent to handle it. Although there's still carnage, there's a bit less of it.

    It took half a century.

    So here we go again, putting yet more potentially dangerous equipment into the hands of a population utterly incapable of operating it safely.

    Governments, heaven help us, are even making it MANDATORY for things like taxation. They seem, in their cluelessness, to think that it might save them money.

    This is collective insanity. OF COURSE it has caused the shedding of tears by countless people and organizations. How could anyone ever have expected otherwise?

    When will we ever learn?

    When will we ever learn?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      "Cast your minds back to the early 1900s...Suddenly there were lots of motor vehicles on the public roads in the hands of completely untrained users...Result: carnage"

      Some figures, please?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Why not try DuckDuckGo (other search engines are available) "uk road traffic accident history since 1900"

        Or Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reported_Road_Casualties_Great_Britain

        You do know something about IT right ?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Not my job to evidence the OP's argument, and you have still failed to do that. OP stated very clearly "early 1900s", and the link you've posted doesn't come anywhere near the early 1900s, since figures weren't collected and published until 1926.

  3. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
    Coat

    A slap on the wrist

    and collect a Goto Jail card [directorship or two] on the way out

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: A slap on the wrist

      You accidentally labelled your insightful comment as a joke.

  4. andy the pessimist Bronze badge

    From the guardian 3 points were raised.

    A lack of controls over ad hoc downloads and exports of aggregations of sensitive data.

    #Sounds like education is needed to minimise the data used/sent. Education and a lot of care.

    The release of sensitive information via “wrong recipient” emails and failure to use bcc properly.

    #email setup (disable auto filling of email addresses). Use more Carr.

    Hidden personal data emerging from spreadsheets destined for release.

    #see first comment.

    It could be hubris/lack of care. Could somebody be designated as the checker to say what about this... Rotated around the group to prevent blame sifting.

    Has anyone said I screwed up? Internal comment only I hope.

    1. FirstTangoInParis Silver badge

      All reasonably fixable

      There are tools for labelling files with the appropriate sensitivity. Getting users to use them needs some pushing and shoving though. Then you can start filtering emails on the way out of the organisation. Tbh I would’ve thought MOD would have linked with US .mil global address book, so accidentally using wrong email addresses should show up, This is not rocket science!

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: All reasonably fixable

        Yes, there should be automated checks and marking, but more important is culture of care.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: All reasonably fixable

          From the inside, there's a lot of push on the culture side - as well as technical stuff. The problem is, that the technical measures can only go so far - if someone sticks a load of details in an Excel spreadsheet and fails to label it properly, then it's down to heuristics to work out if it's incorrectly labelled.

          But some of the problems (IMNSHO) come down to the government (like so many others) having got so high on the MS cool-aid that they'll accept any old shite MS foist on us. Excel is routinely misused as a database because ... well it's there and we don't get given something more suitable for the task. Misdirecting emails is too easy because we use Outlook which actively obfuscates email addresses. And don't get me started on the security sieve called Teams ...

    2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Release of sensitive data needs a proper release process to restrict it to trained individuals, proper sign-off etc.

  5. Will Godfrey Silver badge
    Unhappy

    Words will be said...

    ... over a 5 course dinner.

    {guess who pays for it}

  6. R Soul Silver badge

    Translation needed

    WTF does "UK government dragged for incomplete security reforms.. " mean?

    It doesn't make any sense - even in American. Inasmuchas anything said/written in American makes sense.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Translation needed

      It's not meant to be clear or make sense.

  7. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    "Senior minister Pat McFadden"

    He's pushing for digital ID for the UK population. Guess how what his IT qualifications are - that's right, an MA in Politics.

    I suppose he'll be able to leak everyone's information at one go if he gets his way.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      We have it

      We have "digital" id when we need it. Just as we have digital money. What government is pushing for is centralised and under their control id. Because they are horrible people we have allowed in and they want to know and control everything.

    2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      What a difference a week makes. He's move on. His replacement an an historian.

  8. Pascal Monett Silver badge
    Flame

    "a secret review following the 2021 Afghan data breach"

    Of course it had to be a secret review. After having publicly abandoned most of them to the Taliban for judgement by extreme prejudice, it wouldn't do to show that, on top of abandoning them, you also gave up their names through shoddy security.

    Well done. They were "allies" as long as they were useful, after that they were nothing but cannon fodder.

    The whole story of Afghanistan is one pile of shame on top of another.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Nothing ever changes

    Maybe a low-level body or two will be thrown under the bus but nothing much will change. Perhaps some fine words will be uttered or lessons learned announced. They might even spaff some more of our money with a big corporation and consultants. The system is corrupt, nothing will change, our digital prison of CBDC & ID will continue a pace, nothing learned.

  10. harrys

    Easy money is the problem

    Once recesion kicks in people's will naturally do their jobs better, techs/admins/pen pushers included

    Shame it's gonna be a really tough one this time round.... but that's our own fault for kicking it down the line so many times by "printing" money on the banks ledgers (aka isn't it lovely how much my house is worth now)

  11. charlieboywoof

    so obviously intentional

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