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Broadcom has opened its VMware Explore conference in a defiant tone, declaring it now offers a superior user experience compared to public clouds. CEO Hock Tan took the keynote stage in Las Vegas and asserted that the VMware Cloud Foundation (VCF) private cloud suite offers better security and cost management than hyperscale …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    quandry

    I don't know who to root for in this situation.

    Broadcom is simply awful. But it's not like the cloud peddlers are really here to help either.

    1. thedarkstar

      Re: quandry

      At least you know where the data is and who can access it if you're rocking VCF on-prem

      1. hoola Silver badge

        Re: quandry

        What I find really surprising is just how many people use Azure VMware Services.

        The costs must be truly horrendous.

  2. Jimjam3 Bronze badge

    Why they think anyone is going to trust them this time I don’t know.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Same old same old

    Don’t use the old shit use the new shit.

    And so it goes on.

  4. Lee D Silver badge

    Broadcom - like Oracle - has no say in my systems or how they're deployed.

    Precisely because of their previous behaviour.

    And everything goes in cycles.

    Consolidated, distributed, thin client, fat client, external service, on-prem, it's all going to go on the same 10-20 year cycle as everything else, as people hop from one to the other because the thing that's "bad" at doing X will make them move onto the thing that's "bad" at doing Y, and then vice versa, rather than accept X or Y or find a middle ground.

    Honestly, I lose track of how many times some things have been through that cycle now.

  5. Peter Gathercole Silver badge

    On-prem cloud?

    The biggest original selling point for Cloud was that you only paid for the servers when you needed them. Obviously, the providers added costs by packaging the tools to deploy, which took the edge off any savings (or completely removed any cost advantage!)

    In some respects, unless you run diverse workloads with different time based load requirements, on-prem cloud looks to me like "You pay for the servers when you buy them, then you pay for the cloud-like tools to manage the workloads and servers".

    This doesn't sound to be much benefit to me, not unless you're wedded to the tools to manage and deploy a cloud-based environment.

    I wonder how long it will be before we cycle back to provisioning for the peak workload like we used to, and either shut down unused infrastructure except for when it is required, or just ignore the fact that it's spinning for no benefit (intelligent monitoring of the use of cores may assist in this). I'm sure someone must be doing the cost-based analysis.

    1. Snake Silver badge

      Re: On-prem cloud?

      I am not in [your] field but wouldn't hybrid cloud mostly solve this equation? On-prem for (time proven) base load, spinning up cloud VM's for "spiky" needs. This lowers cloud costs, you are only paying for high demand, and moves most ROI analysis, security and availability to on-prem.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: On-prem cloud?

      I am not sure why your think that is not being done already. In both sides, on the internal cloud side and the the VM clustering side both in prem exist solutions to dynamically manage servers and resources currently. The debate is more about what integrated managed services you get from external provider versus you managing it internally. Those include general maintenance and software provisioning, availability accross world regions, etc. The paradox is that every cloud provider service usage ways are diverting as time goes by and cloud vendor lock in is growing every time that pass and those vendor costs are growing in some cases uncomfortable way. That is why most of cloud users are trying to use their party to deal with public cloud companies that deal with multiple cloud providers even when they do not deal with direct server provisioning but use microservices paradigm. In general not all should be going to public cloud unless you are a huge company with billions of users like big tech and specially when your users are geo located where the company can have its own internal cloud. Or VM cluster.

    3. sal II

      Re: On-prem cloud?

      Dell already offer a solution to that conundrum with APEX, you get a bunch of hosts and only PAYG for the ones that go over 5% CPU utilization. Allowing you to have a sizeable standby capacity to meet increase of demand without going through procurement. More importantly it's all structured as OpEx, which is music to the beancounter's ears.

      Sadly you still need to pay for the VCF licenses regardless.

      But if you have big enough ELA with Microsoft and go down the Azure Local route with Dell APEX (or similar PAYG offering from other vendor) you kinda get the best of both worlds

      1. Peter Gathercole Silver badge

        Re: On-prem cloud?

        It's interesting that the CPU usage is so low. 5% is almost nothing, and could well be consumed in the basic OS and resource costs of the tools to monitor the usage.

        We've seen similar capacity on demand features before. IBM still has the facilities to provide capacity-on-demand for Power systems, where you pay for part of the delivered system, with capacity turned off, but which can be dynamically enabled as needed, and for a cost, when it is required.

        I don't know many companies who actually used this feature, but I think it's still there.

    4. standbythree

      Re: On-prem cloud?

      Yes - with cloud you only pay for servers when you need them. But in terms of comparing public cloud vs-onprem costs, that's really only a factor for very small environments or places with very dynamic sizing requirements.

      If your business basically consists of two 24x7 VMs, and you sometimes to fire up a third for testing/reporting/whatever - then cloud will save you money. But if your business consists of 200 24x7 VMs, and you sometimes need to fire up number 201... on-prem is going to be hugely cheaper, even with some spare (aka wasted) capacity built in.

      On the other hand, if your business consists of 200 VMs in normal operation, but there is some crazy peak thing that happens (christmas shopping, tax return season, whatever) and you sometimes need to scale dynamically up to 2,000 VMs... obviously the cloud is a great choice. But despite this being one of the main cloud marketing points, most businesses don't have that kind of cycle.

      Ultimately if you have a non-trivial compute need, and your need for dynamic scaling is small compared to your always-on load, on-prem will always win. And the bigger your environment the more true that becomes.

      1. Peter Gathercole Silver badge

        Re: On-prem cloud?

        I was not promoting cloud over on-prem. I think it has it's place, as you point out, but for the most part, cost is not it's main advantage.

        I am mostly in the on-prem camp. I feel that for many companies, this provides the control, cost certainty, and data sovereignty that the IT departments want. But it does mean that the company carries significant capital assets in the systems themselves and the environment that they run in, and the headcount to run it.

        This does not often match what the bean-counters want. Oh yes, they say that they want everything, they want cost control, they want data security, and they want to be able to manage the systems, they just don't believe what their own IT departments say when compared to the sales people and consultants of the cloud companies, who can often be likened to snake-oil salesmen.

        It seems to me that this just plays into the capital vs. operational costs debate. Cloud normally fall onto the operational costs side, whereas on-prem falls onto the capital side (I'm ignoring leasing capital assets, the previous way of shifting costs to operational expenditure for this argument). So, even if you can point out that in the long-term, on-prem is less expensive, less risky and provides higher controllability, the shareholders, the board, and the beancounters want these costs on the op-ex side, and are really just interested in the bottom line on the annual financial statement. This is a huge hurdle to overcome.

    5. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: On-prem cloud?

      As I say to people, yes you're perfectly right with cloud you do pay for precisely what you need, but sadly what changed is that now you need XYZ running at three times the speed and 24 hours a day all year round!!

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Tick ... Tock ... Tick ...

    Crudely, the cycle is as follows:

    What you are doing NOW is WRONG ... change to XXX NOW!!! it is wonderful, cheaper, faster and makes Flapjacks as well !!!

    Wait 18 Months until the boom has slowed ...

    What you are doing NOW is WRONG ... change to YYY NOW!!! it is wonderful, cheaper, faster and makes toasted Bagels as well !!!

    Wait 18 months until the boom has slowed ...

    Repeat ad nauseam changing the extra 'Breakfast snack' as needed !!!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Tick ... Tock ... Tick ...

      Mmmmm, bagels....

  7. Paul Hovnanian Silver badge

    Tail wagging the dog?

    Broadcom is probably sensing that there is push back against the cloud movement. And they are trying to remind customers that they still offer products that go beyond their portfolio of networking and virtualization offerings.

    Smart thinking actually. But let's see if thy can find a niche for buggy whips in an EV market.

  8. tip pc Silver badge

    Talk like that would persuade a lot of the global 100,000

    Its well known that BC wanted to let go their smaller customers in favour of their global 1k.

    VCF9 with on prem private cloud capabilities would be appealing to the smaller operators outside of that global 1k.

    Biggest issue with the cloud are teh vampire costs, where some dev has spun up a load of stuff that is still running long after they've gone and much of it is possibly not needed but no one knows so teh company is charged for things they may not be needing & the cloud provider is the benefactor.

    Same issue can & will happen on prem but the cost is effectively just some electric & no cloud provider profits.

    1. Fred Daggy Silver badge

      Re: Talk like that would persuade a lot of the global 100,000

      You're right. They are concentrating on the 1000 biggest customers. Massively profitable for 3 to 5 years. Unsustainable in the long run .... but that is long after the current batch of C-level have cashed out and gone.

      And overnight, they have created a market to service the other 99.9% of customers that aren't in that small niche.

  9. rgjnk
    Devil

    Why trust them?

    Everything they touch turns to ****.

    Trashed customer relationships with their cloud product.

    Pretty much abandoned the desktop products.

    Have now apparently turned the Bitnami stuff they bought from useful free bits into a constrained product chasing $$$$$ for subs.

  10. steviebuk Silver badge

    If only

    Someone had the guts to stand on the stage and said "We screwed up. I know you don't like us but we have learnt and are going to change".

    But they never do, mostly because they aren't going to change.

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  12. IGnatius T Foobar ! Silver badge

    VCF 9

    Building out a VCF 9 now. It's quite nice. Feels more like a fully integrated private cloud than previous versions of VMware ever did.

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    How do you buy a license?

    When they first bought VMWare I tried to buy a new license for a 3 host backed onto a SAN setup. I couldn't get a license from Dell or Dicker Data or through Broadcom's website.

    How does one actually purchase VCF licenses if they aren't a 3000+ CPU site? Or has that changed?

  14. Roj Blake

    "Predictable Costs"

    Like when they increased costs by 800%?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Happy

      Re: "Predictable Costs"

      It's fully predictable, as I can say with 100% certainty that whatver you're paying BC today you can at least triple it in 12 months time!

  15. Vulture@C64

    VMware isn't even relevant anymore, who is even considering using VMware either in cloud or private cloud ? You'd need t be paid to do that, a lot.

    And Broadcom, what was it people said.... how can you tell when Trump is lying ? His mouth is open.... same for Broadcom.

    It's over.

    Goodbye VMware.

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