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The Chinese lockdown on rare-earth minerals has drawn the ire of President Trump, who is threatening crushing tariffs if the Middle Kingdom doesn't cough up more rare earths. "They have to give us magnets," Trump told reporters on Monday. "If they don't give us magnets, and then we have to charge them 200 percent tariff or …

  1. that one in the corner Silver badge

    We have tremendous power over them, and they have some power over us

    Might want to swap the words "we" and "they".

    Unless he is referring to US power over the Chinese factories that manufacture cheap tat on demand*, like tacky red hats with embroidered slogans: as major customers, they could stop buying and drive those factories out of business.

    * or decent stuff, if you ask them, and pay them, to.

    1. VoiceOfTruth Silver badge

      Re: We have tremendous power over them, and they have some power over us

      >> Might want to swap the words "we" and "they".

      Agreed. It's just another sign of the neurosis of so-called American exceptionalism. China doesn't need the USA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w7kFNBJU94

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: We have tremendous power over them, and they have some power over us

        Couldn't the Chinese leader just take a 15% cut of rare-Earth exports ?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: We have tremendous power over them, and they have some power over us

          He could, but he wouldn't. Even though Pooh is a proper dictator, he's still more fair minded, intelligent, and considered in his actions than the illiterate Orange Buffoon.

          1. sitta_europea

            Re: We have tremendous power over them, and they have some power over us

            "He could, but he wouldn't. Even though Pooh is a proper dictator, he's still more fair minded, intelligent, and considered in his actions than the illiterate Orange Buffoon."

            He could, but he wouldn't. Even though Pooh is a proper dictator, he's still more fair minded, intelligent, and considered in his actions than the illiterate, aggressive, arbitrary, arrogant, bullying, conceited, corrupt, dictatorial, felonious, hypocritical, narcissistic, pompous, pretentious and downright deranged Orange Buffoon.

            FTFY. :)

          2. Ken Hagan Gold badge

            Re: We have tremendous power over them, and they have some power over us

            "more fair minded, intelligent, and considered"

            Tell that to people in Xinjiang.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: We have tremendous power over them, and they have some power over us

              Or those in Gaza. Or Ukraine. Or Canada. Or Greenland. Or anyone in the USA who annoys Donald the Dimwit.

            2. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: We have tremendous power over them, and they have some power over us

              I'll raise you the native Americans, the American Japaneese in WW2, Guantanmo Bay...

              China didn't invent persecution of undesirables. Every freaking nation under the sun persecuted/is persecuting part of its dependents.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: We have tremendous power over them, and they have some power over us

      It would be no less traumatic for China if the US was to stop trading with them. Unfortunately past US policy was to share IP and technical capability with China, supposedly to nudge them to democracy (whatever that means). I suspect the policy was in fact to line the pockets of a few Americans. But it was surely a mistake in hindsight. But China is not in a stable position and could easily fall into a counter revolution if things got bad economically. The US is both a big market and influential and can hurt China.

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: We have tremendous power over them, and they have some power over us

        "It would be no less traumatic for China if the US was to stop trading with them."

        The US can't stop, at least not within the span of a presidency, and China knows it.

      2. Charlie Clark Silver badge

        Re: We have tremendous power over them, and they have some power over us

        The US was never interested in democracy in China, just cheap manufacturing for higher profits.

      3. Bebu sa Ware Silver badge

        Re: We have tremendous power over them, and they have some power over us

        "China is not in a stable position and could easily fall into a counter revolution if things got bad economically."

        The way things are developing I suspect applying s/China/US/g to the above might be just as likely.

      4. Smeagolberg

        Re: We have tremendous power over them, and they have some power over us

        "But China is not in a stable position and could easily fall into a counter revolution if things got bad economically."

        More so the US?

      5. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

        Re: We have tremendous power over them, and they have some power over us

        Past US policy was to share limited IP and technical capability with China in return for them recognising US intellectual property rights. Prior to this, they just copied anything they liked. As it is, it's pretty hard to stop this from still happening, unless you happen to be a large company that is lawyered up, although that problem isn't limited to China or other nations such as India. It's rife in so-called developed countries as well, just ask any small business owner who sells online. It's even worse for artists, for some of whom it may take up a significant portion of their time chasing down infringing sellers on US-owned tat-bazaars like eBay and Etsy.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: We have tremendous power over them, and they have some power over us

          Yup. My wife's book, only legitimately published on Amazon, is now for sale on eBay at 3x the cost by someone who says that all US and UK orders will be shipped internationally. They MIGHT just be ordering physical copies from Amazon when they get an order, but they might have scraped the Kindle edition and are republishing it without giving her a penny. As she published on Amazon via a pen name, proving she's the legitimate owner to eBay could be a challenge... if they listen at all.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: We have tremendous power over them, and they have some power over us

            Given that eBay couldn't or wouldn't take down a listing for items stolen by a relative from my wife's stepfather's estate (despite us having photographs of the exact, unique item, and a police call log reference for it), I wouldn't hold your breath. They only take down items that might, vaguely, possibly, infringe the copyright of large corporate interests.

    3. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: We have tremendous power over them, and they have some power over us

      His thin skin gives other leaders great power over him. Putin in particular has been playing him for years.

  2. VoiceOfTruth Silver badge

    Trump is a ranting lunatic

    Be proud, MAGA wingnuts. This is your voice on the world stage.

    >> It also banned the export of rare-earth mineral processing hardware, which given its expertise in the area dealt a big blow to competitors.

    What goes around comes around. A deal with Trump is not worth the paper it is written on. Ask Canada.

    1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

      Re: What goes around comes around

      I have to agree with you.

      The world was already an unstable place before The Stable GeniusTM took power (and tried to keep it). But ever since the orange shitgibbon has been flinging it all over the place, major changes are coming about, the consequences of which we will witness in the coming years.

      You have tremendous power over China ? I seem to recall that, first : China is a sovereign country and you don't have the means to invade it ; second : China owns hundreds of billions in US debt.

      If ever China decided to cash in, you'd be in deep doo-doo.

      You can rant and shout "TARIFFS" as much as you want (how much will the tariff on MAGA hats be, I wonder ?), but China can play the game better than you, and it doesn't owe magnets.

      On the other hand, if you don't get them, it'll hurt your defense industry and you energy industry a whole lot more.

      So, who really has the power ?

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: What goes around comes around

        I wonder how many - or few - billions of that debt China would have to call in to have Trump fly to China to get the Zelensky treatment from Xi - on live TV, of course.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: What goes around comes around

          They don't need to call in US debt, they just sell it. But in volume that causes financial market turmoil and would cause a further problem for China that it'll push the dollar exchange rate lower, and the yuan higher, which is not what Beijing want. China has already largely withdrawn from new purchase of US treasuries, but sits on about 10% of that in issue - they won't offload in huge amounts as that would saturate the market and depress the sale price.

          Trump appears to want a less strong dollar (well, some of the time), so any action by China could actually help that. Xi's advisors are clever, and he (seems) to listen to them; they know they just need to wait out the Trump administration.

          1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

            Re: What goes around comes around

            Japan also has a very large stake in US debt and during the first "tariff crisis" there were rumours that Japan was quietly selling on lots of US debt, which caused some quite significant market wobbles. And that was just rumours!

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: What goes around comes around

          This will never happen. The Orange Manbaby will get his mum to write a note: Dear World Leader, please excuse Donald from attending your important meeting. He has bone spurs and isn't allowed to travel on a plane.

    2. KarMann Silver badge
      Holmes

      Re: Trump is a ranting lunatic

      A deal with Trump is not worth the paper it is written on.
      Yeah, but have you priced the Sharpie it's signed with into that?

      1. Snake Silver badge

        Re: Signing

        We only give Sharpies to youngsters after the age of 14, lest they use it irresponsibly.

        Therefore, the Shitgibbon (I love that one) is still in his crayon & pastels phase.

  3. alain williams Silver badge

    I cannot decide who I want to win this tussle ...

    Trump or Xi Jinping -- both are pretty noxious.

    1. Ropewash

      Re: I cannot decide who I want to win this tussle ...

      Mad Max : Beyond Thunderdome springs directly to mind.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: I cannot decide who I want to win this tussle ...

      China isn't planning on invading us

      1. cyberdemon Silver badge
        Terminator

        > China isn't planning on invading us

        Not yet they aren't. But if globalism collapses "because trade wars are good, and easy to win!" and the US halts trade with China, the US economy will implode like a carbon-fibre submarine at the bottom of the Atlantic. With nobody to borrow from, inflation would rocket and unrest would spread. And thanks to the prevalence of deadly weapons in the USA, a new Civil War would be incredibly destructive. Whats left of the USA would be practically begging China to invade to save them from themselves..

        But whether you would be saved or exterminated depends on who's in charge after Xi. Judging by the latest wave of Chinese nationalism, Xi's successor might not be very nice.

        And Trump being a complete global arsehole today only serves to bolster any nationalist anti-western hatred in China.

        1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

          Re: > China isn't planning on invading us

          "Whats left of the USA would be practically begging China to invade to save them from themselves."

          Or Canada?

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: > China isn't planning on invading us

            Canadians are too nice to invade. A polite suggestion that US states become Canadian provinces, however, might be enticing at this point.

            1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

              Re: > China isn't planning on invading us

              Well, the northern ones, maybe. The more southerly States might just be better absorbed into Mexico, the historical owners of much of the South :-)

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: I cannot decide who I want to win this tussle ...

      Both are obnoxious, but at least Xi is reasonably rational & predictable. Whereas trump is batshit crazy and the US trade policy seems to depend on whoever he spoke to last. His obsession with balance of trade & trying to use tariffs to fix it will make everybody in the US less well off. As well as being impossible. The balance of trade exists because people in the US want to buy stuff and it is completely impossible for the US to make all the stuff they want to buy.

      There is no feasible way for the US to bring manufacturing back. There isn't the available manpower or supply chain. Trying to do it will take decades & trillions of dollars and you still won't end up the manufacturing efficiency that China has in hubs like Shenzhen. Every state will be wanting a piece of the action, so any manufacturing will be spread out, making expensive stuff nobody outside of the US will want, as they will just keep buying from China.

      In the meantime, tariffs will make imports more expensive. This feeds into inputs for domestic supply which becomes more expensive. And domestic suppliers will just crank up their prices as well when foreign competition is priced out. It has already happened with steel & aluminium since the 50% tariff was implemented, meaning manufacturing in the US is more expensive.

      And you don't WANT to try do everything anyway. Look into the theory of comparative advantage. Trade makes everyone better off.

      Xi is a bastard, but at least you know (roughly) where you stand, whereas trump is a moron.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: I cannot decide who I want to win this tussle ...

        If you want your country to make money there are a few ways. But if you rely on just skimming money off as it passes by in financial systems you will ultimately decline. Because eventually others will ask; why are we paying to pay each other, we can find more direct means. To achieve true wealth you need to either get stuff out of the ground or convert materials to higher value. That can include intellectual production such as software, using food and fuel, but that doesn't do anything without a physical object to act on. So, if you just skim, you will need the world's best army and be prepared to use it regularly to stay on top. You will have to knock back any upcoming competitors who manufacture or mine so they can't challenge you or bypass your skimming. Anything sounding familiar?

        What we need is a fairer, more honest global collaborative system. Human nature is not good for that and those global entities also suggesting this do not seem to be altruistic.

        1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

          Re: I cannot decide who I want to win this tussle ...

          History says that it's the trading cities that generate wealth. Cities, not countries.

          1. DJO Silver badge

            Re: I cannot decide who I want to win this tussle ...

            The heart of capitalism is the circulation of capital. The problem now is that capital is being concentrated into too few entities who just sit on the money thus removing it from circulation. If a country want to succeed economically it needs to even out the disparities at both ends of the economic spectrum (Ooh that sounds a bit like socialism - the horror).

            At the moment we have leaders in many countries and companies who are doing the exact opposite, it seems some actually believe the lie of trickle-down economics, something that does not work, has never worked and will never work.

            "Controlling the means of production." Well there's a phrase directly from the Communist Manifesto (and possibly Adam Smith as well) which may or may not be a good thing, what is obviously a bad thing however is offshoring the means of production in order to make short term gains without any consideration of the long term implications which is exactly what the west, led by the USA, has been doing for the last 30 or so years while China has been playing the long game all along and playing it very well. Add to the mix an economically incompetent and easily manipulated POTUS, US industry is doomed until it can recover some primary production, if it ever can.

            This is a reason for the success of China, it can and does make long term plans while in most of the west "long term" means to the end of the current electoral cycle and the current penchant for dismantling the non-political non-governmental bodies that could make long term plans will only make things a lot worse. Yes QUANGOs and their ilk are not without problems but they should not be killed just on a political whim.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: I cannot decide who I want to win this tussle ...

              "The problem now is that capital is being concentrated into too few entities who just sit on the money thus removing it from circulation."

              You (and your three upvoters) don't really understand much of the financial sector, do you? The only people who "remove money from circulation" are little old ladies who hide banknotes in a tin under the bed - and even that doesn't matter because the notes are only a medium of exchange issued by the central bank. If some rich tosser "sits on the money" how does that work? He converts it to gold and makes a throne? I suspect you mean he puts his money in a bank rather than the investments you'd perhaps like, what becomes of that money on deposit? It becomes part of the liabilities of the bank, and the really important thing is that bank liabilities are the source of the money banks themselves lend.

              The idea that the rich have idle money is teenager socialist nonsense. Not that I hold the rich in any higher regard than teenage socialists do.

              1. DJO Silver badge

                Re: I cannot decide who I want to win this tussle ...

                And you seem blissfully unaware of macroeconomics. To put it as simply as possible:

                Which distribution is better for the overall economy?

                A) One person with a billion £$€

                B) A million people with 1000 £$€

                While the billon will be invested in stocks, bonds and similar investments most of those don't really help the man, woman or child in the street. It's unlikely the money will be in ethical investments, instead tobacco, petrochemicals, armaments and others of that ilk all offer good returns if you don't give a shit about the damage done.

                A million people with an extra 1000 would make a lot of difference. In the USA a large proportion of people live from pay cheque to pay cheque with negligible savings if any at all, just having a one month buffer would boost consumer confidence massively. And consumer confidence is now at an all time low.

                1. Anonymous Coward
                  Anonymous Coward

                  Re: I cannot decide who I want to win this tussle ...

                  "And consumer confidence is now at an all time low."

                  And only going to get lower when the tariff prices hike really start to kick in.

      2. nematoad
        Unhappy

        Re: I cannot decide who I want to win this tussle ...

        His obsession with balance of trade & trying to use tariffs to fix it ...

        What Trump and a lot of people don't seem to understand is that Trump does not have the power to impose tariffs on anyone. That power is reserved for Congress. Now it is true that the current Congress has the backbone of a jellyfish but they must give approval before tariffs are imposed otherwise all Trump's huffing and puffing do not have a legal basis.

        That said I would not be surprised if the Supreme Court just waves off any challenge to Trump's usurpation of the power of another co-equal branch of government.

        1. Not Yb Silver badge

          Re: I cannot decide who I want to win this tussle ...

          Congress gave the President that power with the IEEPA, and has never chosen to take it back. Until then... tariffs can still change on a whim as long as there's some declared "emergency" reason for it.

          We won't know until 2026 or so whether or not the Supreme Court thinks it's unconstitutional for the President to have those powers, but at this point, since Congress does have a law in place saying "President can do this in an emergency"... he can.

          1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

            Re: I cannot decide who I want to win this tussle ...

            Does the IEEPA not define what an "emergency" is or allow Congress any power of review over what an "emergency" is? Does lack of orange spray tan constitute an "emergency" and allow him to tariff all the 'stans?

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: I cannot decide who I want to win this tussle ...

      Both want to rule the world in different ways. I trust neither of them. But what we need is a new system that is more aligned to the intention of the US constitution which seems to be a good guide.

    5. Pascal Monett Silver badge

      Re: I cannot decide who I want to win this tussle ...

      There is no winner.

      And the option not to play has been lost . . .

  4. retiredFool Silver badge

    At some point

    China will just start becoming a consuming nation and buy their own stuff. Instead of buying treasuries, they could buy the stuff they make instead. Really I think they should just rip the bandaid off and start now. With trump's penchant to lower rates by firing the sane Fed members, he will get his way. Seriously, like the magat congress will stop him. So he is going to destroy the dollar as the reserve currency, have Turkish style inflation of 80%, so why would China want more treasuries? Its not even toilet paper anymore, they're digital.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: At some point

      They already do consume the majority of what is produced internally. And sell most of the rest to the rest of the planet. Yes, they US is an important consumer, but not the only game in town. Last time I checked the numbers, Chinese exports to the US had dropped 9%, but their exports to the rest of the world were up 6%, so they are already shifting to new markets.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: At some point

        If you are going to downvote a statement of fact, at least make the effort to post why you disagree.

        Unless you are just a butthurt MAGA who is slowly realising that China actually holds all the cards. In which case, go back to your room and sit down.

    2. Charlie Clark Silver badge

      Re: At some point

      China has already started to reduce its purchasing of US treasuries. As have other countries, which is one of the reasons why, whatever happens with Trump's tariff mania (it would be wrong to consider it a trade policy), yields continue to rise and debt will get more expensive, whatever the Federal Reserve does.

    3. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: At some point

      The US is getting all Trussed up.

      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: At some point

        Now wait, lettuce be clear here....

        1. deive

          Re: At some point

          New pork markets!!!

          1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

            Re: At some point

            AH...tomay-toe/tomar-toe. Hey we got the makings of a BLT here!!!

      2. R Soul Silver badge

        The US is getting all Trussed up.

        And. That. Is. A. Disgrace!

        1. Charlie Clark Silver badge
          Coat

          Re: The US is getting all Trussed up.

          IIIIII knoooow!

  5. sanmigueelbeer
    Coat

    we have to charge them 200% tariff or something

    Start by charging 200% tariffs on the magnets.

    Oh, wait ...

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      But if China is paying the tariffs, why not make them 200,000,000,000% ?

    2. abend0c4 Silver badge

      Would you still have to pay if they got wet in transit?

      1. blu3b3rry Silver badge
        Facepalm

        Every time you think he says something insufferably dumb he manages to outdo himself yet agian.

    3. gnasher729

      I don’t know what is going on in his brain, but he cannot charge China any tariffs. He can only charge US residents, who may stop buying Chinese goods because Chinese price plus 200% tariffs makes the goods too expensive.

      Now with tariffs on aluminium (just 50%) there are US companies suffering badly, because higher aluminium prices make them uncompetitive, and US manufacturing is actually being lost. I also read that Canada and Brazil are taking sales away from US manufacturers because foreign buyers feel that the USA run by Trump cannot be trusted.

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Remember it's not what's in his brain, it's what's in the brains of 80 million voters.

        The ones that think their $100 toy will now only cost $50 in Walmart cos China is paying 50% tariff

        1. gnasher729

          They will learn some time before Christmas.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        US steel & aluminium producers have cranked up their prices since the 50% tariff because why not? When foreign competition is priced out, it gives a free pass to domestic suppliers to raise prices as well. So everything becomes more expensive even before you factor in the increased costs for downstream manufacturing.

        I have seen some estimates that for every job in domestic steel & aluminium production 'protected' by tariffs, 78 downstream manufacturing jobs are at risk due to higher input costs.

        1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

          So if you build a car in the USA, you pay USA labo(u)r rates, you pay 50% more for the steel and Canadian aluminium (and you have to spell it correctly), you pay 50% more for the Brazillian copper and rubber and Infinity% more for the Chinese magnets and electronics. Or you can build the cart in Japan or S. Korea and import it with a 15% tariff.

          I studied Physics and Maths not economics so I might be missing something.

          Of course that does mean you will have a car built by those slap-dash Japanese workers, rather than Alabama's finest automotive engineers. But I don't think such racism could possibly be a factor in American marketing.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Unless you want to import a light truck like a Hilux or DMax, in which case you pay the 25% 'Chicken Tax' which has been in place since 1964.

            Or a Chinese EV that has a 100% tariff.

            But sure Mr trump, tell us all about those unfair tariffs that those nasty foreigners have.

            Incidentally, Aussie beef farmers are loving the tariffs. They are still selling loads of beef to the US even after the 10% tariff and because the tariffs have sunk the value of the US $ they make more money on every sale. China has also decided to buy Aussie beef instead of US beef, so even more sales. Even after you factor in the 10% tariff, the weak US $ and shipping the product half way round the world Aussie beef is STILL cheaper than US beef.

            https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-07/grilling-season-beef-demand-outweighs-trump-tariffs/105387118

            Of course, US consumers are picking up the tab from the weak $ & tariff, but they are getting what they voted for. But a big thank you from the Australian beef industry!

            PS If you are in the US reading this and didn't vote for the donOld, you have my sincere sympathies.

            1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

              >Aussie beef farmers are loving the tariffs

              Are beef cows the only nonvenomous animal in Oz ?

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                The saltwater crocs are not venomous either.

  6. Winkypop Silver badge
    Facepalm

    “I think we have a great relationship."

    Absolutely bat shit insane.

    China is free to play this imbecile all day long.

  7. Mitoo Bobsworth

    Q: What borders on stupidity?

    A: Canada and Mexico.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Oh look, it’s Mr. Tariff Bore again

    Put a sock in it, Donnie! This terrible low-IQ show needs to be canceled immediately.

    1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

      Re: Oh look, it’s Mr. Tariff Bore again

      So, you're ready for Just Dance Vance, are you?

      1. WaveyDavey

        Re: Oh look, it’s Mr. Tariff Bore again

        Sofa so good.

  9. MrGreen

    What a Waste

    A deal will be done.

    Panic buying means more sales.

    Both parties are personally making billions from land fill.

  10. Will Godfrey Silver badge
    Facepalm

    Scary

    What is more concerning is that a significant number of Americans still think president Fart is doing OK, and it's the rest of the world that's crazy.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Scary

      @Will Godfrey

      "What is more concerning is that a significant number of Americans still think president Fart is doing OK, and it's the rest of the world that's crazy."

      Its all relative. They just lived under 4 years of Biden so there is a marked improvement already. But even his last term, Obama was giving up hope and telling people to live with the new normal of low growth only to try and claim credit for Trumps booming economy.

      They have gone from another never ending war they fund (Ukraine) to a President actually trying to bring peace like last time. That doesnt excuse the bad decisions but relatively things are again improving.

      1. gnasher729

        Re: Scary

        What alternative universe are you living in?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Scary

          @gnasher729

          "What alternative universe are you living in?"

          None but if things look a little strange you should probably go back to yours. Feel free to try and explain why you disagree.

          1. IGotOut Silver badge

            Re: Scary

            @codejunky

            AHH the peace he would bring in a day.

            Or do you mean the one he threatens Russia with massive tariffs and the TACO's.

            Those massive tarrifs should be in force. Where are they? Eh?

            Oh I forgot another few weeks....again.

            Your mixing up the word peace with capitulation.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Scary

              @IGotOut

              "AHH the peace he would bring in a day."

              Excluding the obvious and well trod ground that answers that stupid statement, who else is trying to negotiate peace between Russia and Ukraine? I notice you dont really give any actual answer just complaining.

              1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

                Re: Scary

                Excluding the obvious and well trod ground that answers that stupid statement, who else is trying to negotiate peace between Russia and Ukraine? I notice you dont really give any actual answer just complaining.

                The sad and somewhat crazy thing is only the US (parts of) and Russia. Ukraine and the EU are still very much opposed to peace because their proposed peace doesn't resolve any of the issues. Ursula wants to bankrupt the EU turning Ukraine into a 'steel porcupine', Ukraine doesn't need a huge military if there's a sustainable peace. And can't afford that anyway. And our leaders continue to ignore gravity. Last nights missile and drone attack is being ruthlessly exploited.

                Ukraine claims to have shot down 95% of the missiles and drones, except the ones that hit residential buildings. Kinda curious about the building struck near the British Council. That was an Israel Hospital style double tap, so whatever was in there, Russia really wanted hit. And also one of those curious failed interceptions. Might mean Russia's shifted tack and is going for decapitation strikes.

        2. cmdrklarg

          Re: Scary

          Please don't feed the troll. Thank you.

      2. LBJsPNS Silver badge

        Re: Scary

        Oh look, the village idiot is posting again.

      3. sanmigueelbeer

        Re: Scary

        They have gone from another never ending war they fund (Ukraine) to a President actually trying to bring peace like last time.

        By capitulating to Putin's demand.

        What could possibly go wrong with that?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Scary

          @sanmigueelbeer

          "By capitulating to Putin's demand.

          What could possibly go wrong with that?"

          What capitulating? When it comes to the Ukraine situation people seem to quickly forget it was caused with Obama's help but furthermore what solution do you have to the Ukraine war? NATO have already been clear they dont want to be dragged into the war and will only fund it from the sidelines. The war only continues for as long as the west supplies Ukraine. So what solution do you have if not to negotiate peace? Fight until the last Ukrainian?

          1. Anonymous Coward
            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Scary

              @AC

              "What capitulating?"

              While I hope you are trolling that does seem to be the standard of evidence I have come to expect in these discussions.

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: Scary

                Really sorry, I posted the wrong link.

                Here's the one I meant to post.

          2. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Scary

            Fight until the last $foreigner?

            Isn't this the usual US policy?

  11. Hurn

    Gee, Thanks for the "excuse", China

    Am probably wrong here, but, it would seem that rare earth magnets are most used in electric and hybrid cars (things that use magnetic fields and current carrying conductors to turn electricity into velocity and back again).

    With US gov't subsidies/tax breaks coming to an end "real soon", shurely, at least some car manufacturers targeting the US market would slow down or stop production, anyway?

    "We can't get magnets" sounds like a great way to weasel out of pesky contractual obligations, while shifting the "blame" from the orange one to the reds.

    Definitely sounds better than, "How can we make a profit without incentives? Time to lower the projected earnings and tell stockholders to 'tighten their belts' and 'please don't sell the stock'."

    Is Tesla (also?) running out of magnets? Instead of another mega-battery-factory, maybe someone (other than China) needs to open a mega-magnet-factory?

    1. Claude Yeller Silver badge

      Re: Gee, Thanks for the "excuse", China

      "Am probably wrong here, but, it would seem that rare earth magnets are most used in electric and hybrid cars"

      Indeed, you have not kept up with developments. The environment might be a big "use case" for them, medical Imaging and weaponry are too.

      10 Powerful Rare Earth Elements Applications

      What Are Rare Earth Elements and Why Are They Important?

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Nice

    Wouldn't it be nice to get rid of all tariffs and all stealth restrictive practices? Trump is getting the hate mail but all countries are playing games with this.

    1. Like a badger Silver badge

      Re: Nice

      Consider what would happen in a world without any trade barriers.

      People would buy what was cheapest (for given specification and quality) regardless of source. China combines a very low cost base with some very good infrastructure, and skills in toolmaking and production engineering that the west long since waved goodbye to. The only things that people would buy from Western economies would be heavily differentiated goods, or things where there's skills that the lower cost economies don't (yet) have. So French wines have a future export market, the top end of European luxury/heritage/brand goods, certain advanced tech (big aero engines, wide body jets) although other countries continue to pursue their development. Are there any US made cars that the rest of the world would buy, given that US build quality is mediocre, and the labour costs high? Low and mid-range European and Japanese car makers would be trounced by Chinese marques, simply because all of their costs are higher - labour, employment taxes, land, capital, energy, transport etc. It's interesting how US software businesses have progressively become US-listed Indian software businesses. That buys them a bit of time, but that's all. Wall Street is still too greedy, pricing models are increasingly exploitative, data sovereignty an increasing concern so sooner or later the US hegemony in software will fall in the same way that US industrial hegemony failed.

      Tariffs are a very good way of protecting your domestic economy if you're prepared to accept that they are still a cost a country imposes on itself. But to work as intended they need to be low, subtly implemented for specific trades, with a clear understanding of what impact they will have; and usually carefully negotiated so that there's some things a country concedes with its trading partners. Tariffs are not a weapon, despite the cretinous beliefs of Trump that they are.

      1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

        Re: Nice

        Tariffs are not a weapon, despite the cretinous beliefs of Trump that they are.

        The only method to the madness that I can see is tariffs create a large slush fund for the Federal government that I think can get used for discretionary spending. On what? Who knows. But he's also pretty much extorted over $1tn from the EU, even though the EU can't actually committ to the spending they've committed the EU to. Or afford it. But the Western world has gone rather mad, other nations are busily diversifying and some of our 'leaders' might just be kicking the can down the road, knowing that Trump will be gone in 3 and a bit years.

      2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: Nice

        But to work as intended they need to be low, subtly implemented for specific trades, with a clear understanding of what impact they will have; and usually carefully negotiated so that there's some things a country concedes with its trading partners.

        Subtle. Clear understanding. Carefully negotiated.

        No, not a problem. Not in the least.

    2. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge
      Facepalm

      Re: Nice

      You could maybe set up an organisation with a goal to do this, and make trade easier across the world. You could call it, oh I don't know, the "World Trade Organisation" or something.

  13. LybsterRoy Silver badge

    I'm on the side of the Chinese here. Why I hear you ask. Well if we can't get hold of the rare earths there will be less wind turbines and less evs. YEAH!!!

    1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

      I'm betting that, when the time comes to replace the batteries in those EVs, a lot of people are going to look at the invoice and go rethink their position on EVs.

      Toyota got it right : hybrids are the way to go.

      1. alain williams Silver badge

        Hybrids still need batteries that will need to be replaced.

      2. AIBailey

        Hybrids - the worst of both worlds.

        Additional weight compared to the equivalent ICE vehicle, resulting in a decrease in MPG fuel economy. Coupled with limited electrical range and the additional purchase cost.

        1. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge

          Not so. Mine gives me cheap motoring for local journeys, all-electric, but still decent fuel economy (450 miles/tank) on longer journeys. It's a parallel hybrid, so has the unnecessary extra weight & complexity of a fancy transmission, true, a series hybrid (range extender) would be a better design. Looks like 2026 might well be the year of such vehicles.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            I've an AWD PHEV that replaced the PTU, propshaft and rear diff with a motor and battery.

            30 mile daily commute in EV mode. AWD/petrol fun further-a-field at the weekend.

    2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      "Well if we can't get hold of the rare earths there will be less wind turbines and less evs. YEAH!!!"

      First off, the word you are looking for is fewer, nor less.

      Secondly, how does fewer wind turbines and EVs benefit you?

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Hmm

    Rare earths aint rare. I would guess a fair amount of the difficulty/cost is due to environmental reasons and costs. I wonder if the US would be willing to get a bit dirty to gain access to these things? Doubt it.

    1. Al-ba-tross!

      Re: Hmm

      How is it that you can be so wrong about absolutely everything? Or is this just a negation bot?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        FAIL

        Re: Hmm

        @Al-ba-tross!

        "How is it that you can be so wrong about absolutely everything? Or is this just a negation bot?"

        Says the negation bot who provides zero content and is a negative without referencing the previous comment.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Hmm

        How is it that you can be so wrong about absolutely everything?

        He's actually right about this, for once.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Hmm

      Quoting Tim again, Hmmm?

    3. Not Yb Silver badge

      Re: Hmm

      Exactly. Most (and quite possibly 'all') of the needed source materials are available in parts of the US, they're just not economically viable if China can continue to provide the rare earths as cheaply as they do.

      Tariffs are the only lever the President can move at will, so that's the lever he plays with. Someone needs to give him another lever next to the "Diet Coke" button.

      1. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge

        Re: Hmm

        Most (and quite possibly 'all') of the needed source materials are available in parts of the US, they're just not economically viable if China can continue to provide the rare earths as cheaply as they do.

        It's not just a question of being economically viable, but environmentaly viable. Processing rare earths is a highly-polluting process, but a dictatorship like China doesn't care about poisoning its citizens. It's only a matter of time before the orange clown abolishes the US environmental agencies, thus allowing MAGA peasants to poison their children in the same way, while believing their Great Leader when he says it's harmless.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Mushroom

          Re: Hmm

          Ecological destruction is what God Fearing Americans want/voted for. Will Of The People™® !

      2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: Hmm

        " if China can continue to provide the rare earths as cheaply as they do."

        IIRC, China imports quite a bit of rare earth ore. It's the processing they can most cheaply, at least partly because they have far fewer pollution regulations. Australia, at least, mines a fair amount of rare earths, and exports it all to China.

  15. BOFH in Training

    High tariffs

    Just a few months ago, there was over 100% tariffs on China, and China basically told trump to get lost.

    I dont think he threatening 200% tariffs is going to rattle China all that much. And as I understand, when the high tariffs were imposed on China, it actually united China population somewhat in telling US to get lost.

    China holds all the strong cards and they know it.

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: High tariffs

      "China holds all the strong cards and they know it."

      And Trump doesn't.

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "They have to give us magnets,"

    No, Mr President, they don't.

    They really don't.

    1. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge
      Joke

      Re: "They have to give us magnets,"

      Yeah, they do, if Trump just makes one really BIG magnet and points it at them (cue loud humming noise and flying magnets)

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: "They have to give us magnets,"

        A bigly magnet.

  17. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
    Alert

    planning a trip to China...

    Trump should take a gift...

    A Winnie the Pooh soft toy

    1. Jonathan Richards 1 Silver badge

      Re: planning a trip to China...

      A few jars of honey would be more subtle, and plausibly deniable!

      1. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge

        Re: planning a trip to China...

        Trump doesn't do subtle, or plausible.

    2. sanmigueelbeer
      Coat

      Re: planning a trip to China...

      No, what Trump needs to bring is a strong, industrial-strength knee-pads because he's going to need it.

      1. blu3b3rry Silver badge
        Coat

        Re: planning a trip to China...

        And some breath mints?

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: planning a trip to China...

        And some lube.

  18. Marjolica

    Whats actually the best deal?

    Surely what would be the best deal for both USA and China would be for Trump to cut, not increase, his tariffs on China is exchange for them to let the Americans have some of their rare earths?

    1. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

      Re: Whats actually the best deal?

      This from a man whose business "genius" consists of not paying his bills, staff, or contractors, and declaring bankruptcy.

  19. IGnatius T Foobar ! Silver badge

    Good move

    I trust that he's got our backs and is doing the right thing.

    It's not as if we can trust multinationals.

  20. CorwinX Silver badge

    I won't be alive to see it

    But eventually this stuff is going to run out.

    Then the human race is in trouble.

    The Earth isn't an endless resource.

  21. CorwinX Silver badge

    Problem with Trump...

    ... is he thinks the courtesy title "world leader" is meant literally.

    He can do nothing to threaten China. They'll just give him the finger and go about their business with the rest of the world.

    Everything Trump is doing is damaging America's interests.

    Trade is the basis of civilisation.

  22. Chipwidget

    Processing equipment

    The only reason China holds any advantage in RE is because for many years the us was happy to buy cheap from China instead of building their own capacity. Now Taco’s trade war has caused China to pull one of the biggest levers they have and the mango Mussolini is in a mess entirely of his own making. OTOH Mountain Pass is big, new and efficient and none of the process technologies came from China. The only reason the us can’t be self sufficient in RE is cost and time to build new capacity

  23. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Trump always fails

    It’s what he does best.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Trump always fails

      Dunno about that. He's world class at lying. And bankruptcy. And stiffing creditors. And grifting, And cheating at golf, And combovers,

  24. DCA

    One long sentence is all it takes to make LLMs misbehave

    I read that article elsewhere, then I noticed the Tr7mp quotes here.

    I have found a goldmine of material to break chatbots!

    I am also imagining a desk covered with magnets, gold magnets, gold is the best magnet, stronger than other magnets, you have never seen such a big pile of magnets.

    *Dang* I just do not know how to be as incoherent!

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