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It's been more than 200 years since the United States issued a letter of marque allowing privateers to attack the vessels of foreign nations, but those letters may return to empower cyber operators if a bill introduced in Congress actually manages to pass.  Arizona Republican David Schweikert introduced the Scam Farms Marque …

  1. Throatwarbler Mangrove Silver badge
    Pirate

    Yarr

    Storm the cyber poop deck!

    (And yes, I know that privateers and pirates are two different things.)

    1. Gene Cash Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: Yarr

      "Poop deck" is that a "cyber" term for a PC running Windows?

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Pirate

      Re: Yarr

      You fight like a dairy farmer !

      1. Michael Hoffmann Silver badge
        Thumb Up

        Re: Yarr

        How appropriate, you fight like a cow!

  2. VoiceOfTruth Silver badge

    Great. And the rest of the world can hack the USA for stealing our data.

    The USA really is the shit hole of the world. Not remotely a democracy or even civilised. Treat it as such.

    1. Taliesinawen

      The USA not remotely a democracy :o

      @VoiceOfTruth: “Great. And the rest of the world can hack the USA for stealing our data. The USA really is the shit hole of the world. Not remotely a democracy or even civilised. Treat it as such.”

      Then why are so many from the democratic world so desperate to get in?

      1. VoiceOfTruth Silver badge

        Re: The USA not remotely a democracy :o

        Some people will do anything for money.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: The USA not remotely a democracy :o

          Yes some people will do anything for money, how many Rubles per post are you getting?

      2. Pascal Monett Silver badge
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        I'm not sure people from "the democratic world" are so "desperate" to get in.

        People from poor countries are understandably looking to improve their lives. Mexico, Venezuela, yes. But there isn't a massive influx of immigrants from Germany, France, Italy or Spain, now is there ?

        1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

          ...in recent years[*], there's even been a significant drop in those people even wanting to visit the US, never mind emigrate there.

          * Well, this year mainly, since Freddy the Farter got back into power. :-)

        2. Ken Hagan Gold badge

          I think the net flow is in the opposite direction, in fact

    2. SundogUK Silver badge

      You need to get out more.

  3. NoneSuch Silver badge

    Let me guess....

    That congressman just bought a cyber-security firm?

  4. mark l 2 Silver badge

    The text of the bill gives the President the authority to issue letters of marque and reprisal against anyone they determine "is a member of a criminal enterprise or any conspirator associated with an enterprise involved in cybercrime who is responsible for an act of aggression against the United States."

    Cos in no way will Trump abuse that power to go after people who annoy his thin orange skin, he already tried to make out protests as 'insurrection' so he can call up the national guard without involving state governors.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      He’s not shown a willingness to abuse power, has he? Declaring emergency after emergency. Having a 70 year balance of trade as a pressing and immediate crisis was unremarked upon by the sycophants.

      His humiliation rituals of other world leaders, especially the European poodles, don’t speak to a very balanced and self-confident person.

      No chance this clown will abuse this at all.

    2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      "he already tried to make out protests as 'insurrection' so he can call up the national guard without involving state governors."

      yeah, the irony meter is well into the red on that one.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    This has two purposes

    1. Plausible deniability, they can always blame criminals for collection, disruption and possible acts of war.

    2. Provide employment for people currently conducting a genocide.

  6. robert lindsay
    FAIL

    And republican congressman talking about human rights is a abject joke at this point.

  7. elsergiovolador Silver badge

    Private Ryan

    Private Ryan perished after provisioning a truckload of coal to his own address instead of the enemy’s due to autocomplete malfunction; backups didn't arrive as he couldn't establish contact as Teams had entered authentication loop.

  8. chivo243 Silver badge
    Stop

    Of course he will

    ..."nor has Schweikert's team heard whether the President would support the measure."

    My advice would be - don't do it, don't poke the bear in the eye. This will end up like putting the bounty on the shark in Jaws, lots of small groups acting like the keystone cyber cops floundering around for a bit of bounty.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Hill Billy Cyber Warriors

    Take the "concerned citizens" who "patrol" the border and expect to see them, in their hordes of self-proclaimed pay-tree-ot rednecks who knows all about com-pew-ters 'cos they gots some scripts from 'Ike's young'uns that'll scramble those commie hard drives, fer sure, lining up to get their Letters of Marque so's they kin boast theys bin told to do this great wurk by the prez-ee-dent hisself. Local Sheriff caint stop 'em.

    Now, we's couldna find no furriners, theys all be hidin', but Ah sees sum libruls on yonder website.

    1. Casca Silver badge
      Coffee/keyboard

      Re: Hill Billy Cyber Warriors

      I read furriners as furries...

      1. Ashentaine

        Re: Hill Billy Cyber Warriors

        To be fair there are quite a few furries in IT and infosec (a geeky internet subculture having jobs involving computers, shocking I know), and given that they have a rather high disdain for things like crypto and AI, setting them loose on the cybercrims might actually prove pretty effective...

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Hill Billy Cyber Furries

          I think they would have to start with the Fancy Bears.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    IIRC, the historic problem with privateers has been that they don't take kindly to being overly restricted or stood down, instead preferring to relocate and relax previous constraints on their choice of targets.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Well, they're missing a trick. This letters of marque bollocks would apply to techno ne'r do wells outside of prison. If instead they offered it as a cushy alternative to hard labour to those inside clink, then (a) cyber crims who have already been caught can do something with those skills, and (b) a tiny proportion of the traditional hard cases would learn themselves cyber warfare. Offer them a deal - you keep 10% of any Russian money you can steal and get it tax free when you leave prison, we keep the other 90%. I'll reckon that's a better pay rate than sewing mailbags or breaking rocks.

      Obviously when they're out then there's some downside risks, but by that time you already know who they are and what skills they have, making monitoring them easier.

  11. Wang Cores Silver badge

    "ahh shit the local yokels realized I voted to defund Medicaid. Let's give them 'Special Internet Officer' badges and let them harass 5'1" nonbinaries with nose rings, maybe they feel better then."

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The best target would be taking away Trump-coin / Trump-con / Whatever his oranges holy-ness's crypto scam is called.

  13. DS999 Silver badge

    I would never give Trump this power

    He wouldn't use it to go after criminal gangs. He'd want it to go after "enemies" meaning countries that have leaders he doesn't like, or do mean things like refuse to become the 51st state. He'd love to have another way to grift crypto, by making ransomware gangs cut him in for a share to avoid letters of marque be issued against them.

    Fortunately it is (probably) just performative dick sucking, like the bills to put his face on Mount Rushmore, or create a $250 bill with him on it, or rename airports for him etc. that are coming from a few of the most spineless and useless republicans in the house.

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Yep, let's pay tax dollars to train future criminals

    'Letters of marque were popular in the age of sail, with many eventual pirates getting their starts as privateers working for the US, UK, France, Spain, and other naval powers of the era.'

    Letting vigilantes perfect their cyber attack skills, assuming they'll only ever be used against *our* enemies. Yeah, that'll never come back to bite us in the ass.

    'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.' And the problem isn't even that we can't remember the past, it's that modern politicians purposefully choose to ignore it (and a great many other things of import) for expediency, publicity, and power.

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Outsourcing the CIA / NSA?

    What next privatise hits on opponents of the deep state & outsource false flag exercises, oh yeah already done that with MK Ultra & funding terrorism to destabilise nations. <Shakes head in disbelief>

    1. jlturriff

      Re: Outsourcing the CIA / NSA?

      Well, of course; it's another aspect of "government is too big," a major policy direction, right?

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The Paris Convention of 1856 outlawed privateers

    Civilized nations are signatories.

    Guess the identity of the standout non-signatory.

    But I don't suppose civilized could be applied either.

    If a nation recognises the legitimacy of its own privateers it is obliged to recognise the legitimacy of those of its adversaries. Or more to point the jurisdictions of third parties will apply that equivalence when a nation seeks the rendition of an adversary's privateer (and hopefully employ the yard-arm for both.)

    Curiously there have been a few legislative attempts in last few decades to have the US issue letters of marque (once notably after 9/11) none were adopted presumably because of the international legal shit storm they would have caused.

    Today provoking international shit storms is the preferred foreign policy choice of this administration.

    1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

      Re: The Paris Convention of 1856 outlawed privateers

      Civilized nations are signatories.

      Guess the identity of the standout non-signatory.

      The Congresscritter could also do with a history lesson..

      The US last issued letters of marque during the war of 1812, giving privateers the right to wage war against British vessels.

      Schweikert said. "This legislation allows us to effectively engage these criminals and bring accountability and restitution to the digital battlefield by leveraging the same constitutional mechanism that once helped secure our nation's maritime interests."

      Except 1812 didn't exactly secure US maritime interests after the Crown went 'Challenge accepted!' and 'Leave Canada alone!', took a bit of a diversion from the usual past time of stomping the French and kinda burned Washington. Those pesky colonials really shouldn't have shot Ross's horse.

  17. Maurice Mynah
    Pirate

    Who's for the Crimson Permanent?

    Yo ho ho and buckle my swash!

    1. collinsl Silver badge

      Re: Who's for the Crimson Permanent?

      It's fun to charter an accountant

      And sail the wide accountancy!

  18. disgruntled yank

    Question

    Marque Zuckerberg or Marque Andreesen?

  19. jlturriff

    I guess I'm strange, but I wonder why the Fed doesn't just mandate that US businesses must secure their computer systems, and asess fines (and not just little slaps on the wrist) for those who drag their feet...

    I know, I know, government mandates run counter to free enterprise...

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