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The Australian arm of consultancy firm KPMG wrote a 100-page prompt to create an agentic system that prepares tax advice far faster than humans. Speaking at analyst outfit Forrester's APAC Technology & Innovation Summit on Tuesday, KPMG chief digital officer John Munnelly said the firm's "life changed" when ChatGPT debuted in …

  1. Neil Barnes Silver badge

    Only tax agents can use the tool, because its output is not suitable for people

    (without deep tax expertise.)

    If only tax were no so complicated...

    1. Sorry that handle is already taken. Silver badge

      Re: Only tax agents can use the tool, because its output is not suitable for people

      It sounds like KPMG covering its arse. They mean its output contains errors so esoteric and presumably liability-inducing that you need to be a tax expert to spot and correct them before letting a client or the ATO see it.

      1. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge

        Re: Only tax agents can use the tool, because its output is not suitable for people

        Then each client can have an instance of their AI agent arguing with an instance of the tax office agent about what they have to pay, without any expensive tax lawyers being involved. There's bound to be a way to monetize that,

      2. Roland6 Silver badge

        Re: Only tax agents can use the tool, because its output is not suitable for people

        Suspect the LLM was fed documents that had not been redacted, so the output would not only contain client confidiental information, but actual client identifiable and incriminating information (eg. By processing coffeee beans via Switzerland - tax avoidance, we can add an imaginary “handling fee” and thus increase costs in the UK - tax evasion.)

    2. Alumoi Silver badge

      Re: Only tax agents can use the tool, because its output is not suitable for people

      Then the rich would have to pay their share and we can't have that.

  2. xyz Silver badge

    We just got rid of monolithic programming...

    and now we get monolithic prompting... funny ol' world.

    1. ecofeco Silver badge

      Re: We just got rid of monolithic programming...

      Well, we went from mainframes, to PCs, then back to mainframes, but now we call them servers.

      1. Roland6 Silver badge

        Re: We just got rid of monolithic programming...

        “ 100-page LLM prompt‘ new term for a Computer Programme Specification…

    2. Orv

      Re: We just got rid of monolithic programming...

      Also after having understood the importance of parametric database queries for decades, with AI we went back to feeding instructions and user-controllable input into the same channel, opening up a whole new world of entirely predictable security holes.

  3. EvaQ
    WTF?

    Hire KPMG for your information security strategy!

    ChatGPT finds "thousands of employees' credit card" => block ChatGPT

    Good, good, good.

    Much better then investigating why and how credit card numbers are on an accessible server.

    Hire KPMG for your information security strategy!

    1. Androgynous Cupboard Silver badge

      Re: Hire KPMG for your information security strategy!

      Not that I ever expected to be defending KPMG, but I suspect they did both.

      And frankly they should get a thumbs up for blocking AI while they did a risk assessment, rather than caving to their graduate and some newspapers.

      1. Sorry that handle is already taken. Silver badge

        Re: Hire KPMG for your information security strategy!

        The big four consultancies have been under intense scrutiny in Australia over the last few years since it became public that PwC was acting in a way that can only be described as corrupt with respect to its dealings with the federal government through the ATO and its private tax clients. All four were eventually embroiled in scandals of varying seriousness once the spotlight was shone upon them. That might have influenced KPMG's risk-aversion in this instance.

        1. Sorry that handle is already taken. Silver badge

          Re: Hire KPMG for your information security strategy!

          I should add that I hope KPMG appreciated the irony of being criticised for doing the right thing, for once.

      2. Roland6 Silver badge

        Re: Hire KPMG for your information security strategy!

        Given the personal data was found by ChatGPT, it could reasonably be assumed that this data had been scrapped by ChatGPT during its learning phase and thus now part of ChatGPTs LLM, accessible to everyone with a ChatGPT account, ie. The data has already left the building and is in the public domain in.

        So blocking internal usage of AI does smack of bolting the stable door after the horse has bolted, as if there is other sensitive information on KPMGs systems, it will have also been scrapped…

        Obviously, further on, the article does talk about creating their own LLM using data scattered across their internal systems, which also further exposed just how poorly they managed data [aside. From my experience the level of data mess KPMG discovered, is probably the norm for the majority of businesses.].

        I suggest the collation of internal data also introduces another security risk, client confidentiality and thus the potential for reputational damage. I suspect KPMG didn’t want to disclose that those files retained on individual laptops contained client sensitive information (company names, names of individuals, bank accounts, details of specific tax avoidance schemes and arrangements etc.). Hence the AI would have also disclosed the need for a robust document sanitisation and curation procedure for all LLM learning materials.

  4. An_Old_Dog Silver badge

    Sprawling, Unmaintainable, Spreadsheet Macros: The New Generation

    1. Does this new, faster method produce complete and accurate results? No.

    2. Is this 100-page LLM prompt effectively-maintainable software? Probably not.

    3. Does this smack of corporate-image-spinmeistering over rationality and logic? Yes.

    1. oldandgrey
      Unhappy

      Re: Sprawling, Unmaintainable, Spreadsheet Macros: The New Generation

      These giant accountancy firms always run an auditing and a consultancy branch. Consultancy is where they make the big money. I wonder if this 100-page LLM prompt has been vetted by the auditing branch? Probably not.

  5. elsergiovolador Silver badge

    CRAPMG

    Use the correct spelling!

  6. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    "A graduate staffer had taken a screenshot of the KPMG IT environment that showed it had blocked ChatGPT and shared it on social media with a derisive message about the firm's attitude to innovation."

    Would that be a graduate ex-staffer?

    1. elsergiovolador Silver badge

      "shower, not a grower"

  7. ecofeco Silver badge
    Trollface

    There's that word again

    Agentic.

    Miriam Webster defines it as slang.

    How professional. (not blaming you El Reg)

    I hate this timeline.

    1. TangoDelta72
      Coat

      Re: There's that word again

      Agentic: I think it's a pharmaceutical I've been recommended to take because it's got major air time and a cool name.

      Icon--> Mine's the one with the pockets also philled [sic] with Ozempic, Zyrtec, Xeljanz, and Kwyjibo.

      1. Michael Strorm Silver badge

        Ask your GP if an utterly fscked up healthcare system (TM) is right for you

        > "I think it's a pharmaceutical I've been recommended to take because it's got major air time and a cool name."

        You live in the United States and I claim my £5... sorry, $5.

      2. David 132 Silver badge
        Happy

        Re: There's that word again

        ...and Kwyjibo.

        That's a giant hairless North American ape, I believe. Do you go to the same physician as Cueball?

    2. SCP

      Re: There's that word again

      But you need something to describe what you get when a gent has agentized the interaction between agentee and agentor to get the agency your agency wants. It's a gen trick!

  8. HMcG

    I wonder how long it will be until one of their clent faces tax-fraud charges, because their 'agentic ' LLM hallucinates a tax loophole that doesn't exist.

    1. LucreLout Silver badge

      Why wouldn't? Jimmy Carrs accountant managed it, amongst many many others.

      It just drops you in the shit quicker and cheaper than the 90s way.

    2. katrinab Silver badge
      Meh

      Getting and following advice from a reputable tax accountant is usually a defence against a fraud charge, though not against having to pay the tax.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    So basically KPMG have flushed an astonishing amount of money down the loo.

  10. Azamino
    Linux

    Can you hear the pigeons coming home to roost?

    Knocking out the work in a day rather than two weeks is great but in a business where billable hours are king clients are going to want to see significant savings. Consultancies will try to swing the billing justification away from total hours worked to value generated but will their customers be convinced?

    The amount that you can charge for advice is related to the effort needed to create it. If partners think that they can reduce their costs with AI and still bill top dollar there will be a rude awakening just around the corner.

    1. Like a badger Silver badge

      Re: Can you hear the pigeons coming home to roost?

      "Consultancies will try to swing the billing justification away from total hours worked to value generated but will their customers be convinced?"

      There are of course some "share the benefits" lawyers, and they're almost entirely the low rent vermin offering no win, no fee, or "claims assistance". In the big grown up world however, commercial law firms have been trying this for at least two decades without any luck (since the days I worked for a big London law outfit). Whilst there must be some odd datapoints that disprove my absolutism, I can't think of any serious commercial law client that's "sharing the value benefits" with their law firm. And if the law firm do have that discussion, the retort from the in house legal team will be "that sounds very promising...of course you'll share the losses on all deals that go south?" It's at exactly that point that the value generated argument gets put studiously back into its velvet lined box, and the law firm walk out as primly and tight stepped as if they were trying to hold in a week's loose stools, and go back to billable hours*.

      * As in excessively padded, let's hope we don't get challenged billable hours.

  11. Jonathan Richards 1 Silver badge

    Prompt generation for ChatGPT version

    "G'day, cobber, write me a 100 page tax advice prompt for that Anthropic outfit that you hate so much, eh?"

  12. TReko
    FAIL

    KPMG in Australia in deep trouble

    The article fails to mention KPMG is in deep legal trouble in Australia for its tax advice.

    A quick scan of the Australian Financial review shows headlines like:

    "KPMG ‘orchestrated a large-scale tax fraud’ "

    1. Benegesserict Cumbersomberbatch Silver badge

      Re: KPMG in Australia in deep trouble

      The word advice in that comment covers a scandalous level of deception.

      In seeking "efficiency", a series of right-wing governments in Australia fired much of the public service, only to replace the advice public servant experts used to give with advice provided by for-profit consultancies, of which KPMG were one. Many of these consultancies happened to be donors to the right wing parties.

      These consultancies also had large numbers of corporate clients who used them to minimise their tax liabilities. When the government introduced new tax regulations, they included, on consultants' advice, loopholes which KPMG had already advised their clients to structure their finances to exploit.

      Needless to say, Australian governments don't use KPMG any more.

  13. Roland6 Silver badge

    Shoot the messenger…

    “ However early experiments produced "really scary" results including the discovery of a single document on KPMG servers that listed thousands of employees' credit card numbers.

    "That absolutely scared the pants off me," he said. KPMG therefore stopped its experiments and blocked ChatGPT while it assessed the risks AI posed.‘

    So instead of improving security and data protections, they stopped using the tool that had discovered the insecure data…

  14. myhandler

    If this base level work is handled by AI how will the new hires acquire the in-depth knowledge and experience they need?

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