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Australia will help to fund the development of two datacenters in the Pacific island nation Vanuatu, an example of tech infrastructure becoming an important diplomatic consideration. Vanuatu is around 2,000 kilometers from Australia’s east coast. The country is home to around 320,000 people, and its GDP is just over $1 billion …

  1. Pascal Monett Silver badge
    Facepalm

    prime minister Jotham Napat

    Smells like a profiteer looking to sweeten his retirement.

    Are you pro-independance, or are you insane ?

    Accepting Beijing's influence will only tranform you into another Hong Kong.

    How many more examples do you need ?

  2. Tron Silver badge

    Beijing has just offered to supply me with a free, fast net connection.

    Also a hot tub, a Porsche and a glasshouse for the palms.

    I am open to competitive offers.

  3. vtcodger Silver badge

    Back to the Stone Age

    Do data centers on a bunch of volcanic rocks 2500km from Australia make any economic sense? Bear in mind that the islands,being volcanic,have little or no fossil fuel resources. Electricity for those Islanders that have access mostly comes from imported diesel. What percentage of the population has power?According to the internet, about 33%.

    Nothing against Vanuatu. Might be a tropical paradise for all I know. But it seems an odd place to locate data centers.

    1. Korev Silver badge

      Re: Back to the Stone Age

      Being able to host servers in decent space with low pings and not being beholden to the Merkin's Patriot Act would be useful

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Back to the Stone Age

        Do you really think that you'd get any money or concessions from the US if they didn't get a giant foot in the door thrown in?

        1. Joe Gurman Silver badge

          Re: Back to the Stone Age

          Why limit your snideness to the US? Can you name any nation that does things for poorer ones without quid pro quos? Take your time, I’ll just sit here and read El Reg.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Back to the Stone Age

      They could add a third offshore immigration detention centre for brown people, and Matrix-like generate electricity.

      I guess they are also ignoring the seas-level rises threatening Vanuatu too - or are they using the volcanic rock as a foundation pile and going all Waterworld from the start.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Back to the Stone Age

      Do they make economic sense? Maybe, maybe not. Do they make geopolitical sense? Absolutely.

      "Might be a tropical paradise for all I know". It is a popular holiday destination.

  4. Goat Boy

    The bonkers land-divers and a devotion to HRH Phil are the only things I know about Vanuatu.

    Can its power generation scale up to these bit barns or will there be a fleet of diesel generators rattling away 24-7?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Lots of sun, probably some wind and wave energy, and there's no reason they can't run a long extension lead next to the data cables that this will require, as a backup.

      Ironically, the best solution (a Thorium MSR) woul have to come from China..

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    New Zealand or South Africa should have got in first with Papua New Guinea

    Maybe even Ireland or France, imagine the deal that could be reached if they were offered access to really good rugby.

  6. Martin Gregorie

    Why pick on diesel generators for Vanuatu?

    Diesel generators are nasty, noisy, smelly things and require some sort of regular tanker service to keep them fuelled up. Solar panels would seem appropriate bevause photos on Wikipedia seem to show enough non-agricultural land to to power a few data centres, though wind power may not be a good idea since the islands seem to be in a wind belt.

    The worry about putting data centres on Vanuatu would be the cost of laying data cables to it, so it would be nice to know its situation w.r.t. to the potential users of the proposed data centres.

  7. Dan 55 Silver badge

    Grifter's going to grift while his islands sink

    Some 950 miles away from Vanuatu is Tuvalu. Tuvalu's foreign minister gave that speech while standing in the sea to highlight how the rising sea is threatening his country. I don't think the sea level in Vanuatu's sea level is going to be that different, seems the PM wants to accelerate the process.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Grifter's going to grift while his islands sink

      It's definitely going to be novel to have wave generators inside the data centre..

      :)

    2. vtcodger Silver badge

      Re: Grifter's going to grift while his islands sink

      Downvoted because sea level rise in the 20th century is estimated to have been around 20cm (8 inches) and there is no reason to believe it has accelerated much if at all in the 21st. (You can check that by going to https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station.shtml?id=8518750 See a frightening trend there? There isn't one. By all means, check other us tidal gauges (hint, The Presidio tidal gauge in San Francisco has the second longest US record. But be aware that you want long term records because there are definitely short term (e.g. decadal) variations in sea level at any given location. And remember that older tidal gauges were primarily intended to tell cargo ships how much water was under their keel. It's likely that some of the records include effects of repairs or even moving the recording site around the harbor possibly to locations with different local tectonics

      That doesn't mean that rising sea levels won't be a problem for some over a very long time span -- centuries. But ironically probably not for Pacific Islanders. Why not? Because tropical reef corals make limestone from CO2 and Calcium molecules in the tropical oceans. And they do it at impressive rates. Tropical atolls seem to have managed to keep up with 120 meters (400 feet) of sea level rise during the continental ice sheet melt 20000 years ago to 10000 years ago. That's six times the 20th Century rate. Where will the problems be? Probably places built on fill that is compacting(many of the world's port facilities), places where fluids (petroleum, fresh water) are being pumped from under the harbor, places where the Earth is sinking due to natural tectonic forces.

      I'd recommend the IPCCs Assessment Reports sea level sections. They seem to be quite good for the most part. But they are information dense and are unlikely to give you the sort of quick, easy answers the media, politicians, and the public in general favor. Here's a link to AR6 (the latest) https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/chapter/chapter-9/ If you want to tackle it.

      1. Dan 55 Silver badge

        Re: Grifter's going to grift while his islands sink

        The IPCC also tackled the subject of the small islands and how they would be affected, including in the Pacific - see https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg2/chapter/chapter-15/. The report is hardly arguing that sea level rise isn't a problem.

  8. VoiceOfTruth Silver badge

    Under Australia's thumg

    >> a Bilateral Security-Agreement that kept the Pacific nation in Australia’s sphere of influence.

    Australia is hardly a nice country. It has a thoroughly rotten history of repression towards the aboriginal peoples whose land Australia is built on.

    1. David Hicklin Silver badge

      Re: Under Australia's thumg

      > It has a thoroughly rotten history of repression towards the aboriginal peoples whose land Australia is built on.

      But is that not true of many "settled" countries , America springs foremost to mind

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