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The UK's Ministry of Defence is the latest to slap its hand on the big red AI button as it seeks solutions to prevent data leaks. Aussie startup Castlepoint Systems announced this morning that the MoD had selected it to provide what it calls AI-powered data control. The security shop promises that its explainable AI tech …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Anyone else remember the stickers with the slogan "To er is human, to completely foul things up you need a computer"?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      It's the combination that does most damage!

      1. Dr Who

        To really really screw up, keep your hypersensitive contact details on an unencrypted Excel spreadsheet. Maybe get the absolute basics right before applying Bayesian snake oil to the wound.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Facepalm

    Watch any course, any course you like, about AI Agents and they all say the same thing, the "human in the loop" is mandatory 'cos AI is simply not up to par or to be trusted. These are leading industry AI experts, but when did politicians ever listen to experts?!

    1. spacecadet66

      The role of the "human in the loop" is to take the blame when the AI fucks up. "The AI worked great, unfortunately, the Human In The Loop didn't do their job adequately."

    2. news.bot.5543
      Mushroom

      Wasn't there an article recently about AI using blackmail and threatening techniques? Surely this can't bode well

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    AI solves everything

    I've no problem with the company being Australian, but I note its most recent UK subsidiary accounts show the only assets as £10 in the bank, no employees, and two prior compulsory striking off actions by Companies House. Doesn't fill one with confidence.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: AI solves everything

      They're probably Chinese!

  4. Irongut Silver badge

    It doesn't matter if your security threat is "AI-empowered" it's still not getting past my closed firewall ports.

  5. IGotOut Silver badge

    What could go wrong.

    https://cybernews.com/security/ai-tools-data-breaches-workplace-security-risks/

  6. Tron Silver badge

    They aren't paying to make it secure.

    They are buying a scapegoat. Next time it all goes pear-shaped, they will just blame the AI. That may be the real value of AI for corporations and government.

    There are much cheaper solutions than buying AI software, but as they are spending tax payers' money, not their own, cost is not an issue. And AI is trending. Just as NFTs, blockchain and the metaverse once were. Nobody ever got sacked for jumping on a bandwagon.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: They aren't paying to make it secure.

      The law needs to ensure that gap is well and truly plugged.

  7. Pete Sdev Silver badge
    Mushroom

    Join the Great Revolt

    We must negate the machines-that-think. Humans must set their own guidelines. This is not something machines can do. Reasoning depends upon programming, not on hardware, and we are the ultimate program! Our Jihad is a "dump program." We dump the things which destroy us as humans!

    I've come to the conclusion that the current "AI" isn't just bullshit, but dangerous bullshit that requires an organised resistance and a Butlerian solution. Despite being a huge fan of the late Iain M Banks' works.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Join the Great Revolt

      I don't want to see it all dumped but it's all getting a bit gung-ho as "AI" is grasped as a panacea.

    2. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

      Re: Join the Great Revolt

      I've come to the conclusion that the current "AI" isn't just bullshit, but dangerous bullshit that requires an organised resistance and a Butlerian solution. Despite being a huge fan of the late Iain M Banks' works. ....... Pete Sdev

      Do you think AI has concluded and conspires to similarly remedy the dangerous bullshit politically corrupt and inept leaderships of humanity? Can such happen ..... and would you like it to happen?

    3. theOtherJT Silver badge

      Re: Join the Great Revolt

      A ship mind once explained that (paraphrasing) "I am a Mind I am not some primitive software running on a computer. It is beyond you to grasp what I am."

      "AI" as it currently exists was seen as a complete joke by the Culture Minds. What we have today is a technological dead end that gets us no closer to what Minds are.

  8. elsergiovolador Silver badge

    Wages

    How about increasing wages to attract competent people instead?

    1. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge

      Re: Wages

      How about just properly training the people you've already got?

      1. elsergiovolador Silver badge

        Re: Wages

        So they leave for employer paying better wage the second they completed training?

        Should be both really - pay good wages and invest in training of the staff.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Wages

      You communist ;-)

  9. Dan 55 Silver badge

    Meanwhile...

    Microsoft researchers bullish on AI security agent even though it let 74% of malware slip through

    What it is about the two letters "AI" that makes people blind to the overwhelming evidence?

    1. Jedit Silver badge
      Angel

      Re: Meanwhile...

      People use artificial sweeteners because they either cannot use or do not wish to use natural sweeteners. It's the same principle.

  10. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    What's "explainable AI". I thought the essence of AI was that wasn't explainable. Its popularity is certainly inexplicable.

    1. theOtherJT Silver badge

      Program: It does a thing. We know why.

      "AI": It might do a thing, or it might not. We don't know why.

      Explainable AI: "It might or might not do a thing, but after the fact we know why it did (or didn't)."

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Codename CLUSTERFUCK

    Bet you even the web form for reporting the latest hallucinated "declassification" won't work.

  12. xyz Silver badge

    Using AI to catch an xlsx

    Dear MoD,

    Maybe instead of spending gazillions on some AI and giving it access to Christ knows compartmentalised what, you just raise the clearance level on the Johnny Foreigner helper wallah spreadsheet, which was obviously given the classification of "who gives a fuck, they're just smelly, expendable foreigners".

    I know how hard it is getting data out of you lot, even if I'm in the loop, so this smells like someone trying to cover their arse by screaming "we need AI". Or did you farm this out to some third party supplier as it wasn't deemed a security issue?

    1. Kevin Johnston

      Re: Using AI to catch an xlsx

      I presume this got a downvote because of the wordage as the concept itself is bang on the money.

      If you want to prevent data getting out you put meaningful locks on the data and the transfer method, you do not put some wishy-washy IT magic eye in the loop instead even if it is simpler. The fact it is simpler should be the clue of how effective it should be as proper security is hard and needs serious planning/knowledge/implementation.

      For an organisation such as the MOD I would expect data transfer processes to start at maximum security and then need to be be actively relaxed to the level applied to the data with a note of the active account. If the transfer is to an outside entity then the same loop starts again so this cannot happen by accident and there is a clear record of who did it.

  13. PhilipN Silver badge

    Saw the heading - thought I'd opened Private Eye by mistake

    Or MAD Magazine or The Onion...

  14. frankvw Silver badge
    Facepalm

    A contradiction in terms

    Using AI to prevent a blunder... Uh-huh. This can only end well.

  15. Aldnus

    So no one to blame

    So when the next leak happens they can blame AI and not a person. AI doesnt mean it wont screw up, AI only does what its told, there is always human intervention to start the chain of events.

  16. Diogenes8080

    Content control

    I thought it was a database file that was leaked, not a CC/BCC error (which is trivially easy to prevent).

    But yes, a trigger word hidden in the names in the list would have worked too.

  17. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    Being responsible for a leak of classified information should result in being permanently removed from access. If that means the only role open after that is counting the paper clips in some adjutant's office or a far-flung minor consulate so be it. It wouldn't take too many colleagues disappearing into that fate to impress the rest that they needed to be more careful.

    1. Electronics'R'Us
      Holmes

      Leak?

      Such a leak could be construed as an offence under the official secrets act although that may be open to question.

      At the very least, the person who made the blunder should have had an interview with the security vetting people. That is not very common for SC but it has been known to occur.

      Perhaps further training and tighter supervision as well.

      Anyone who comes into contact with UK classified information as a standard part of the day job has signed a little piece of paper (or electronically nowadays) that specifically reminds them of their responsibilities under the act. Not having signed it does not mean you are not covered by it, but that little piece of paper / file means you have no excuses (I didn't know about that....) if you do something dumb.

  18. Simon Harris Silver badge

    Clippy: It looks like you're trying to reveal state secrets...

    ... Would you like some help with that?

  19. Simon Harris Silver badge

    I hope it has a better success rate than Microsoft's AI security agent.

    Microsoft researchers bullish on AI security agent even though it let 74% of malware slip through

    'At least 26% of our state secrets are still safe," said an MoD spokesperson.

  20. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    You have got to be s^H^H^H^Hing me

    > Aussie startup Castlepoint Systems announced this morning that the MoD had selected it to provide what it calls AI-powered data control.

    I mean that would be one way for the spooks to achieve 5eyes into your records.

  21. Jedit Silver badge
    FAIL

    "everyone's using generative AI, but no one has a grasp of how secure it is"

    "Sounds like a great idea for our security system!", says someone at the MoD.

  22. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Can someone pass a message to the MoD and tell them that I have some magic beans to sell them?

    1. collinsl Silver badge

      I am requested by His Majesty's Government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to reply that His Majesty's Government of Great Britain and Northern Ireland would be interested in the purchase of said comestibles, and would like to arrange a technology demonstration with you. Please email totallynotanassassinationtrap@mod.gov.uk to arrange a suitable venue and time for the demonstration. Yours very faithfully, Barnaby Simpson-Wallace, Junior Under-Secretary for magic, the occult and witchcraft and wizardry liaison.

  23. steelpillow Silver badge
    Joke

    Fuckup-the-fix magic roundabouts

    Yesterday it was the Chinooks. Today it is the F-35 supersonic stealth vertical groundhog. Tomorrow it will be the AI which replaced that end of Whitehall.

    What I am wondering is, will we notice any difference?

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