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The US Space Force won't be the only new military branch Donald Trump has created if forthcoming recommendations from a group of retired military and civilian leadership end up being adopted. They want the President to form a US "Cyber Force" too.  Public policy think tank the Center for Strategic and International Studies, …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    But not even half of their wacko consipiracy theories were wrong.

    Incidentally, if you want to block the NSA/CIA/US Army/Navy/Air Force and US defense contractors from hacking your systems, block inbound access from Azure, AWS, GCP, and the addresses assigned to the US government. Or better yet, rate limit them to 1kb/s.

  2. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
    Joke

    Police Squad!

    If Trump sees the latest Naked Gun movie, he may think it's a presentation/briefing from some thinktank and create a real-life Poice Squad.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Potus Squad!

      Potus Squad! 2 now playing, features our favorite brain donor going for big laughs as he pulls a reverse Robin Hood.

      1. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
        Joke

        Re: Potus Squad!

        "Nice Beaver[Pussy]"

        Let me help[grab it].

        Jane/Mrs Slocombe: STOP! You shall do no such thing! Wash your hands before you touch my pussy. Don't know where it's been. He's very particular about hygiene

  3. Tron Silver badge

    Clear and pressing threat revealed exclusively on El Reg.

    America needs a Subterranean Force.

    Otherwise the enemy will be able to burrow under land and sea into the very heart of America undetected.

    The greatest threats are obviously from Mexican and Canadian military drilling rigs, but I'm sure the Russians, Chinese and French will be secretly constructing giant mechanical moles with devastating weaponry capable of burrowing under the ocean.

    You may look across the border and see no Canadian tanks and think all is well, but deep beneath your feet virgin American soil may be being violated by an underground mountie brigade intent on conquest and subjugation.

    Air, space, and cyber is not enough. Act now or face a future labouring under the yoke of enforced politeness.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Clear and pressing threat revealed exclusively on El Reg.

      OMG! The balloons were only a distraction from the Canuck mole drones.

    2. Rafael #872397
      Happy

      Re: Clear and pressing threat revealed exclusively on El Reg.

      Nah, the Patriotic Graboids will protect the USA!

      1. Casca Silver badge

        Re: Clear and pressing threat revealed exclusively on El Reg.

        What about the assblasters?!

    3. that one in the corner Silver badge

      Re: Clear and pressing threat revealed exclusively on El Reg.

      You forgot to mention the 1967 documentary about precisely that subject.

      US Patriots: keep your ears to the ground!*

      * and definitely don't look up!

  4. Claptrap314 Silver badge

    Ever hear of the NSA?

    If you consider what it is that we would expect of your "average" cyber-warrior, it quickly becomes clear that they all need top secret clearance. I'm having a very hard time understanding what exactly we want cyberwarriors to do that would fall outside the purview of the NSA?

    It may be that scaling the NSA up enough would be challenging. I bigger problem would be interdepartmental communications.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Ever hear of the NSA?

      No, I haven't. How did you hear of the NSA?

      Did someone tell you? What was their name?

    2. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

      Re: Ever hear of the NSA?

      Claptrap314,

      The NSA is an intelligence gathering agency, rather than a military one. I presume it has offensive cyber capabilities - which might well have a more military focus - and it's not like intelligence gathering isn't a military thing too. There's a lot of overlap. Which is why these organisations tend to end up in a rat's nest of competing and overlapping responsibilies and internal departmental infighting.

      However the military world is changing. There are a lot more drones, there are a lot more integrated systems based on networks - quite a lot of the lastest military thinging involves forming ad hoc networks to merge sensor information on-the-fly (literally when planes and drones are involved) in order to be able to find and hit targets more quickly. All of that is incredibly vulnerable to cyber-attack. As well as traditional electronic warfare.

      Obviously this is both a threat and an opportunity. i.e. stopping it being done to you, and also doing it to the enemy.

      As an example, look at Israel's operation Orchard / Outside the Box from 2007. This was an air attack on a suspected Syrian nuclear reactor, possibly as part of a nuclear weapons program. Syria had a complex integrated air defence system, which unaccountably switched off during the attack. That could have been the result of a cyber-attack or a physical attack - or even some combination of the two. But it's the sort of thing you need to plan for, as a military. And having all the computer skills in the civilian intelligence sector would lead to inter-departmental fun-and-games.

      Not that I'm arguing you need a cyber force, or a space force for that matter. Just that as things change, you'll probably need to look at organisational structures.

      1. Claptrap314 Silver badge

        Re: Ever hear of the NSA?

        The intelligence gathering might be the (second) goal of the NSA, but the reason they are separate from the CIA is that their means are specialized. Offensive cyber tooling is naturally their domain.

        BTW, their first goal is (supposed to be) securing US communications (broadly). Because it was well understood, even when the agency was formed, that good defense requires deep knowledge of offense.

        (rough quote, sorry:)

        He said, "we don't let anyone work on cypto systems until they have 'earned their bones' breaking them for a decade."

        That excluded me. I ventured, "not many people can do that".

        "Indeed," he said with a smile. "And it makes our job so much easier"

        1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

          Re: Ever hear of the NSA?

          Good point. They're your experts on computers and how to secure them and break them.

          But what they're not experts on is the tactical use of computers during combat. So you've either got to second them a whole bunch of seasoned troops in order to develop those skills or you've got to spread the NSA's knowledge and tools to the combat arms of the forces - in order for them to be militarily useful. Which in effect could be creating a "cyber force" - under the NSA. But the NSA don't have the leadership experience of combat for this to be a good idea.

          Or you could go along with what you've got now, where the Navy, Army and Air Force all have their own cyber units - which gives them the organic capabilities they need (assuming they currently do have the required capabilities) - at the cost of a lot of duplication (and extra expense).

          Third choice is to create a new military branch. But here you have the downside that they have to be embedded in the operations of each of the other branches - so you gain some cost efficiency - but add inter-service rivalry and complexity of command and logistics to your field units.

          Of those 3 choices, the NSA being in charge is almost certainly the worst.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Golf War

    I don't know what help a cyberforce would give to the main military objective of the US, identifying and securing new golf courses for command and control purposes.

    Greenskeepers and upgraded military spec carts are more important.

    1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge
      Happy

      Re: Golf War

      Ah, but you have to find those golf courses first. Which is surely done by looking them up online.

      The alternative would be to upgrade the Army Corps of Engineers, in order to be able to deploy a fully operational golf course on any appropriately flatish section of land you choose. In which case we could have the prospect of the parachute deployed golf course engineering regiment. Although this will probably require an air-mobile bulldozer unit.

  6. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    Been there, done that, have the OEM Workshop e-Manuals ‽.

    And, believe it and like it or not, things have moved on by more than was never even previously imagined possible before and as was shared on Boxing Day, 2011 ........ 111226 Change the World, Occupy CyberIntelAIgent Space

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Didn't Trump just cut funding for cyber service in the US?

    Why would he spend more spinning up another

    1. Casca Silver badge

      Because this one is his unlike the other one

    2. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
      Alert

      Dementia?

      A "Senior Moment"?

      Next he'll be rambling off on an unrelated subject in the middle of a speech

  8. headrush

    Perhaps they'll employ people like Timothy McGee, who can hack into the DoD within seconds using a few scraps of javascript.

    1. Not Yb Silver badge

      It has been fun watching him grow up from NCIS probie to NCIS agent. I wonder if the actor ever expected to be playing the same role for this long.

  9. Joe Dietz

    This sounds far too intellectual

    Why would anybody think the orange one would be interested in something that was thought out planned, or worst of all desired by experts?

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