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Great news! Microsoft has finally squashed a Windows 11 Insider bug. No, it still hasn't "Made the Start Menu Great Again." No, you still can't drag the taskbar wherever you like. But yes, it simply kills the bug that played the Windows Vista boot chime on startup. The bug was introduced in a Windows Insider Preview build of …

  1. Swordfish1

    Perhaps they should remove windows 11 24h2 from Vista - both are equally dreadful - The amount of time I've wasted this time trying to get my computer to accept every security update is just beyond a joke. I hate 24H2 - perhaps Linux must be the final and only solution MS

    1. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Sorry to ask, but are you channeling grok with that phrase at the end?

    2. David Hicklin Silver badge

      > Perhaps they should remove windows 11 24h2 from Vista - both are equally dreadful

      Just apply Vista SP1 aka windows 7

  2. gw0udm

    I dunno I thought Vista was pretty good. It enforced a half decent driver model and got rid of a lot of rubbish, and it felt a bit more polished than XP which was creaking by that stage. I used it for ages until Windows 7 came out and I had no issues with it at all

    1. ITPerson

      It did get there in the end, but the damage was already done.

      1. TonyJ

        The biggest enemy to Vista was that godforsaken "Vista Ready" badge slapped all over hardware that was anything but capable of running it.

        If you had a machine with a decent spec - specifically RAM - it was actually not a bad OS.

        I preferred the look and feel over XP (appreciate that is a very personal perspective) and I never found it dog-awful like, say 8.x.

        But when my dad tried to put it on an aging PC with 1 or 2GB (I forget which) RAM it was absolutely terrible. Unusable until the RAM was upgraded.

      2. Michael Strorm Silver badge

        As far as I'm aware, Windows 7 *was* basically Vista with most of the egregious problems fixed and after they'd optimised it to run far more efficiently on less powerful hardware. In other words, what it probably should have been in the first place.

        By that token, one could argue it was "Windows Vista Second Edition" in all but name. Though, of course, there wasn't a chance in hell they were going to call it that after the debacle of the first version had irredeemably tainted that moniker.

        1. David Hicklin Silver badge

          > "Windows Vista Second Edition" in all but name

          Vista SP1 as SP's usually fixed all the previous issues

  3. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

    So, changing the starup sound...

    ...is yet another user customisation that's been taken away? Is there anything left of the OS "look and feel" that the user can make their own or is everything dictated by MS now?

    (I don't use it personally, just the locked down corporate builds at work, and there's pretty much nothing we users can change.)

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    So no real explanation about how this actually happened. What on earth is that file still doing there and why the switch? The bug itself hasn't been explained at all. It might well sound minor but it's actually quite worrying.

    1. David 132 Silver badge

      I fail to see how vista_startup.wav could "accidentally" have been included in the Windows 11 build process.

      The most likely explanation is that a developer put it in the tree as a private joke, and it was inadvertently included in the build.

      What next, "accidentally" including the Windows XP Teletubbies wallpaper, or the WfWG3.11 startup logo?

      1. Michael Strorm Silver badge

        > "The most likely explanation is that a developer put it in the tree as a private joke, and it was inadvertently included in the build."

        That was what I suspected too.

        I might otherwise have leaned towards this being a nostalgia-invoking publicity stunt. But, as the article makes clear, the associations and comparisons that it invites between Windows Vista and 11 aren't flattering, and I suspect even MS's PR would realise it's not worth the risk given that the latter doesn't exactly have an excess of positivity it can afford to burn in the first place.

    2. blu3b3rry Silver badge
      Windows

      Given there are still Windows 3.1 era dialog boxes in Windows 11, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a few bits like that still floating around.

      Even more so now Satya has fired what little remains of M$'s QC and replaced it with ClippyPilot

      1. s151669

        Is the edit environment variable dialog still the matchbox sized thingy ? Have not touched 11 yet.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    >> We can but hope that other blasts from the past might also be revived in the present. The Start Menu and Taskbar from Windows 10 would be a good start

    Windows 10's start menu was broken. I think you meant Windows XP (or at worst, Windows 7).

    1. David Hicklin Silver badge

      > (or at worst, Windows 7)

      I have open shell on windows 10 to give me a pretty good version of windows7 desktop

  6. ABugNamedJune

    How much you want to bet that instead of actually fixing the issue they just replaced the sound file with the win 11 startup sound?

  7. Mage Silver badge
    Windows

    Modern

    " significant shift for Microsoft from the architecture of Windows XP to something a bit more modern,"

    No, different. or newer. A misuse of Modern.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Vista was OK provided you ran it on hardware which could cope, The main problem was that the hardware specs were set too low and on a computer which just about met the minimum requirements it was an absolute dog.

  9. I don't know, stop asking me.

    Am I the only one wondering why an OS needs a startup sound at all?

    1. Zibob

      But how else will the user know their computer is on and now ready to login?

    2. Bump in the night

      What it needs is an "all done churning and starting" sound that signals it's done being bogged down.

    3. PRR Silver badge

      > why an OS needs a startup sound at all?

      Mine doesn't.

      I also have no "wallpaper". If I want an image I'll print it and tack it to a wall. Windows loves to re-draw the whole desktop for little or no reason, this saves perceptible time. Sadly some *nix desktops don't give that choice, so I have to go through their idea of PAINT to make a 1px image to tile.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    On today's hardware

    Vista would probably run fine on today's hardware. I'd rather that (or preferably W7) than the absolute shit that is W11, and especially 24H2. The next, 25H2, being based on 24H2, is likely to be no better unfortunately. I'm glad I run Windows in a "for reference VM" these days and go weeks without having to set eyes on it.

  11. FIA Silver badge

    That said, in retrospect, perhaps Windows Vista was given too much of a hard time.

    No, it wasn't.

    It was a shining beacon of Microsoft’s hubris, both it's storied development and it's eventual release.

    I often hold up Windows 7 as an example of what good UI can do, as that's really just Vista with the UI tarted up a bit (and that annoying feature where opening more windows made the machine appear to slow down removed).

  12. ComicalEngineer Silver badge

    My remaining Win7 machine (running some legacy software) still looks like Win 95 with the plain, no frills interface. I detested the Win Aero look of XP and so stayed with the original (and IMHO best) plain Jane looks. All I want my OS to do is to enable my to do my job without getting in the way. To be fair, I'm OK with the Win 10 interface now that I have removed the crapware.

  13. CAPS LOCK

    I have Windows Vista to thank...

    ... for my move to another desktop operating system known to quite a few readers of El-Reg-O. So thanks Microsoft Vista, you did me a big favour.

  14. K555 Silver badge

    I spent so little time with Vista installed (on my first ever brand new laptop, and it ran like utter crap with Vista (but fortunately came with XP 'downgrade' media (yes, Dr Evil air quotes around 'downgrade')))* that I had no recollection of what the startup sound sounded like.

    It's the Windows 7 one as well, isn't it.

    *I think that sentence might actually be a spreadsheet formula.

  15. cmb11

    Vista wasn't that bad was it

    Come on Blista, sorry, Vista wasn't that bad, I mean it wasn't Windows ME bad...

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