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The journal Science is preparing to remove an editorial expression of concern that cast doubt on a five-year-old Microsoft quantum computing research paper. The notice is expected to be replaced by a correction that says researchers didn't present a full description of how they tuned the relevant devices and didn't present a …

  1. steelpillow Silver badge
    Pint

    quantum paper both resolved and unresolved

    I see what you did there.

    Quantum journalism. :D

    1. captain veg Silver badge

      Re: quantum paper both resolved and unresolved

      The extraordinary thing is that, in my experience, Microsoft has been doing non-deterministic computing for, well, ever.

      Perhaps they should research that.

      -A.

    2. mcswell Bronze badge

      Re: quantum paper both resolved and unresolved

      Yes, but did you see what they did in the subtitle: "Ground control to Majorana"

  2. Pascal Monett Silver badge
    WTF?

    What is this nonsense ?

    "the challenge of maintaining civil peer review norms in the social media era "

    What the heck does "social" media have to do with peer review ?

    Peer review is conducted on scientific sites, not social media.

    At least, that's the way it should be and, if it isn't, then Science is going down the drain just like the rest of us - no need for Trump.

    1. Rafael #872397
      Boffin

      I disagree and agree with you.

      What the heck does "social" media have to do with peer review ? - not peer review, but basic facts confirmation. Unfortunately, more and more "journalists" are either getting their "facts" from Instagram or calling scientists to ask for confirmation or denial of something inane that was posted in social media. Or even worse, when searching for someone for an authoritative opinion, their first criterion is popularity on social networks.

      On the other hand, science is going down the drain. Trump and associates are just accelerating the process.

      1. Philo T Farnsworth Silver badge

        Re: I disagree and agree with you.

        The other thing about social media is that it should be no surprise to anyone that it can be a venue for harassment and other forms of abuse.

        That said, it seems to me that something's going on with the editorial board at Science.

        This is the second editorial intervention in recent days, the first being the retraction of the "arsenic life" paper,1 not because of any allegations scientific misconduct but because of a hoohah over data and methods.2

        Not having domain knowledge, I have no opinion one way or another about the validity of the paper's conclusions but it seems to me the way to question the results of an experiment is to try to replicate the experiment and publish your results, not attack the authors through side channels and attempt to wreck their careers.

        __________________

        1 Science: Fifteen years later, Science retracts ‘arsenic life’ paper despite study authors’ protests

        2 Per the article above

        . . . Science’s current Editor-in-Chief Holden Thorp and Valda Vinson, executive editor of the Science family of journals, emphasize there is no suggestion of foul play in the GFAJ-1 paper. Instead, pointing to subsequent commentary and research that suggest some of the paper’s findings stem from contamination, not arsenic use by bacteria, they write: “Science believes that the key conclusion of the paper is based on flawed data.”

  3. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    "You don't think that your microwave oven is a fraud because you can put your mac and cheese in it and it will cook."

    I wouldn't want a mac and cheese to put intoa microwave oven so I don't believe microwave ovens can exist.

    1. ParlezVousFranglais Silver badge

      Well that's no fun is it? Surely a better option is to accept that Microwave ovens exist, as you can then black out the front so you can't see inside, put a cat inside WITH the Mac & Cheese, and then theorise about the quantum state of both the Mac & Cheese AND the cat?...

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        That'll be three cubits -- you will need a million microwaves for that (according to my understanding of quantum computing).

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Sounds about right: 1- Amazon cat qubit (Ocelot); 2- Microsoft Macjorana topological qubit (Noodle), and; 3- Mayor McCheese qubit (without the Hamburglar part); plus a million microwaves!

          1. steelpillow Silver badge
            Coat

            Noodle

            I have been quantised by His noodly appendage?

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "15 separate controls that define where to look for Majoranas."

    Sound very much like hunting a Shark. Clearly these Majorana beasties are wee timid creatures if not actually Boojums.

    A bit of frame confusion with prof Frolov's "you can put your mac and cheese in it [microwave] and it will cook."

    Puzzled why anyone would put an Apple product and cheese inside a microwave oven ? There are some right daft buggers among quantum physicists and physicists generally but even they wouldn't claim the outcome was "cooking."

    Even after the penny dropped I am not sure that placing the flagship product of the Golden Arches, with additional cheese, in a microwave would be significantly better.

    I thought Microsoft had pulled the plug on quantum computing and was going all in on AI. Perhaps their Baldrick cunning plan is to hybridize QC with AI so Copilot can present a superposition of answers that are simultaneously both right and wrong.

    As Blackadder doubtlessly would retort:

    "Given that gormless lot's abysmal track record you can expect a superposition of obviously wrong and utterly wrong."

    1. Version 1.0
      Holmes

      Re: "15 separate controls that define where to look for Majoranas."

      "I’ve finally learned what upward compatible means. It means we get to keep all our old mistakes." - Dennie van Tassel (Computer scientist)

    2. vtcodger Silver badge

      Re: "15 separate controls that define where to look for Majoranas."

      "Puzzled why anyone would put an Apple product and cheese inside a microwave oven ?"

      I'm told that the glue Apple uses to fasten their non-user replaceable batteries into the cases adds an unusual and quite unique flavor to some microwaved delicacies. As for cheese. A day without microwaved cheese is like ... well ... ehr ... a day without microwaved cheese.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: "15 separate controls that define where to look for Majoranas."

      "Sound very much like hunting a Shark. Clearly these Majorana beasties are wee timid creatures if not actually Boojums."

      Did you mean "Snark"?

      (Not that there is a shortage on these here forums...)

    4. aks

      Re: "15 separate controls that define where to look for Majoranas."

      Snark rathrr than Shark?

      Otherwise, an upvote from me for the alignment of quantum physics with Edward Lear's nonsense poetry.

      Both spooky actions.

  5. Ian Johnston Silver badge

    Dubious and unsubstantiated claims in the quantum computing world? Surely not.

  6. CrustyEnginerd

    Paging Sabine Hossenfelder

    I can't wait to see what she thinks of this...

  7. Tim99 Silver badge
    Trollface

    So

    Can it design a cold-fusion reactor that can be used to power itself?

    1. PM.

      Re: So

      Sure , it will both work and not work , at the same time

  8. An_Old_Dog Silver badge
    Headmaster

    How it Works

    • If your experiments, findings, and conclusions alter or conflict with the currently-accepted models of how things work, expect people with emotional and/or economic vested interests in those currently-accepted models to attack your work, and/or you.

    • If your experiments, findings, and conclusions alter or conflict with the currently-accepted models of how things work, and you withhold data, or fail to describe your experiment in sufficient detail to allow reproduction by other teams, expect people -- high-standards-holding, nitpicky bastards such as myself -- to jump your shit.

    • If your experiments, findings, and conclusions alter or conflict with the currently-accepted models of how things work, and you allow your public relations department to issue any statements or summaries ("Alfaz makes you thinner, stronger, and younger!") without your pre-publication, binding editorial review and control, expect people to criticise your data, your procedures, your findings, and your conclusions.

    • If your experiments, findings, and conclusions alter or conflict with the currently-accepted models of how things work, and you even appear to have monetary, reputational, and/or political influences affecting your results, expect people to slam what you've done, and to also call your mother ugly.

    You have to dot every 'i', and cross every 't'.

    1. Someone Else Silver badge

      Re: How it Works

      I find that crossing my 'i's and dotting my 't's, also works rather well...

      ...especially when dealing with Micros~1...

    2. druck Silver badge

      Re: How it Works

      The paper was always unmitigated bollocks, but money and lawyers always win.

      This is a field where organisations and governments are throwing upteen billions at in FOMO on quantum fairy dust in the hope to get a patent in first. Unsurprisingly there is no shortage of at best bad science but more likely outright fraud to keep those research grants coming.

  9. Ramis101
    Coat

    Spelling Mistake by an Intern???

    Maybe an intern confused Majorana with Marijuana, the paper being the logical result?

    I'll Get my coat.

    *living as i do with mild dyslexia, it was what i first thought it said

    1. Someone Else Silver badge

      Re: Spelling Mistake by an Intern???

      This is quantum computing.

      This is quantum computing on pot.

      Any questions?

    2. mcswell Bronze badge

      Re: Spelling Mistake by an Intern???

      No, but the author confused Majorana with Major Tom (intentionally, I suspect).

  10. Paul Herber Silver badge

    Results depend upon whether the cat is watching or just asleep. As cats sleep more as they age I would expect the results of the experiment to slowly change over time, until the cat dies and a new young cat takes its place, whereupon the experimenters will look at the data and have kittens!

    I'm convinced fur balls are a fundamental part of the structure of the universe so what do I know.

    1. mcswell Bronze badge

      My cat is approaching 23 years, and going strong. (Well, strong for a 22 year 10 month old cat.) I think he has the answer to the experiment. The cat is alive.

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Clarification

    "The journal Science" is NOT the same as"science "

    This may be obvious to actual scientists but there are people out there that just see "Science" and assume it's good (or bad).

  12. Taliesinawen

    Microsoft patented quantum computing ..

    The original paper was deemed defective due to two primary issues:

    * Incomplete Description of Device Tuning: The paper did not fully describe the methods used to tune the relevant devices, which is critical for replicating and validating the experimental results.

    * Incomplete Data Catalog: The authors failed to provide a comprehensive catalog of the measured data, which undermined the transparency and verifiability of the findings.

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