back to article The Smoot – How an MIT prank became a lasting unit of measurement

On a chilly October evening in 1958, a group of MIT students shuffled onto the Harvard Bridge, which separates the university town of Cambridge from Boston proper. The shortest among them lay down on the sidewalk at the bridge's start, his friends marked his length, he got up, moved forward, and repeated the process. …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Respect

    For once, authorities are in on the fun. Commendable.

    1. Brian 3

      Re: Respect

      It does seem very american to celebrate some graffiti and the public demonstration of how it's OK for some people, and not for others... These guys should have at least had to clean it up, but instead are celebrated.

      1. Brian 3

        Re: Respect

        Furthermore, they knew what they were doing was wrong, hence doing it at night and running from the police... In America, the successful are those who break the laws, and get away with it, or those who work for them.

        1. Andrew Scott Bronze badge

          Re: Respect

          good demonstration of how measurements are largely arbitrary. what matters is the consistency of use. they don't say how many ears there are in a smoot which is a problem for the smoot unit of measurement, otherwise perfectly ok to measure light years in smoots or speed of light in smoots/second.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Queue the "Americans will measure with anything but metric" joke lol.

    1. Spamfast
      Headmaster

      Queue the "Americans will measure with anything but metric" joke lol.

      Cue the "Americans will measure with anything but metric" joke. LOL

      To cue is to do something that allows or provokes a follow-up action. To queue is to do what the Brits spend half their time doiing.

      1. SnailyFresh
        Holmes

        Elementary my dear

        One might deduce that an early database admin would indeed Send to Queue overnight tasks. Im this case, Queue is very much a British English verb, as in "queue it up."

        An American DJ does not stack tracks anymore, but they are still queued for playback and overlay.

        And so on. Please wait a bit before going all Grammar Police on a fellow writer. Saves time all round.

    2. Antron Argaiv Silver badge
      Thumb Up

      Ah, but this is the ANSI/ISO Standard Smoot!

      :-)

      / Live outside Boston, have walked that bridge and seen the Smoots for myself

      // I blame the combination of cold weather and intense study for the phenomenon

      1. Andrew Scott Bronze badge

        work there and seen them also, though not recently. work on the other side of the river now.

  3. Sorry that handle is already taken. Silver badge

    Possibly also worth mentioning

    Oliver Smoot is (distantly) related to Nobel laureate George Smoot

    1. C R Mudgeon Silver badge

      Re: Possibly also worth mentioning

      Also, rather topically alas, to the co-sponsor of the infamous Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930. (Oliver bears no responsibility for those, of course.)

  4. Cruachan Silver badge

    Easter Egg

    There's a reference to this in Aletheia , S03E12 of Person of Interest. One of the characters is tasked with creating a false identity by his MIT class mates, the catch being he has to use an obviously false name. The identity is "Rudiger Smoot".

    1. Jedit Silver badge
      Joke

      "The identity is "Rudiger Smoot"."

      It was Rudi-mentary, my dear Cruachan.

    2. Dr. G. Freeman

      Re: Easter Egg

      After seeing that episode in 2014, we decided to use the name for the "not affiliated the anyone in particular" account for the new NMR machine, i.e. one-offs for schools, testing, demonstrations, that sort of thing.

      Seemed apt for The Machine.

      1. Cruachan Silver badge

        Re: Easter Egg

        Channel 5 have started airing it again on Friday nights, hence why it was in my head. Had forgotten how good it is.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    the thickness of screw threads was not fully standardized in the US

    The thickness of heads is still not fully standardized in the US. The ANSI standard blockhead remains unaccredited not being able to arrive at consensus.

    1. Spamfast
      Coat

      Re: the thickness of screw threads was not fully standardized in the US

      Whereas the thickness of the electorate clearly is.

      (Unfortunately in the UK as well.)

    2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: the thickness of screw threads was not fully standardized in the US

      It's just a matter of calibrating the unit, the millitrump.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: the thickness of screw threads was not fully standardized in the US

        I thought the millitrump was a measure of mushrooms?

        :)

        1. Jan 0

          Re: the thickness of screw threads was not fully standardized in the US

          mushrooms? or beans?

          1. bemusedHorseman
            Mushroom

            Re: the thickness of screw threads was not fully standardized in the US

            Either way, both of them will give you crazy butt burps!

    3. Red Ted

      Re: the thickness of screw threads was not fully standardized in the US

      Having an interest in vintage vehicles, I seem to have developed rather more knowledge of thread systems than I really wanted to. So my early 1950s British motorcycle uses all of the following:

      Whitworth (British Standard Whitworth - BSW) - Developed by Sir Joseph Whitworth and modestly named after himself. The hexagonal heads and nuts were quite chunky and in the early 20th Century nuts and bolts were being made with the next size smaller head.

      British Standard Fine (BSF) - Developed in early 20th Century with a finer pitch than Whitworth and using the one size smaller head, but otherwise the same.

      British Association (BA) - A metric system that starts at 6mm OD and 1mm pitch and then goes down in a geometric progression (as the BA number increases). Whilst the smallest used is typically around 16BA, you can calculate the dimensions of 20BA or even 100BA. When adopted by the British all the dimensions were specified in inches!

      Cycle Thread - Mostly 26TPI regardless of size.

      British Standard Pipe (BSP) - I suspect we've managed to inflict this on the rest of the world and almost the opposite of BA it's now specified in millimetres.

      Although the British have now moved to the metric system there are still gotchas, such as the Japanese using a slightly different (finer) thread for some sizes!

      As you can probably tell, I'm an absolute blast at parties (if I were ever to be invited to one)!

      1. goblinski Bronze badge

        Re: the thickness of screw threads was not fully standardized in the US

        Your invited to mine. Whenever I organize my first one.

        1. Spamfast
          Happy

          Re: the thickness of screw threads was not fully standardized in the US

          Who's going to bring the corkscrew?!

          1. jake Silver badge

            Re: the thickness of screw threads was not fully standardized in the US

            Eh? Corkscrews are EDC, aren't they?

      2. HXO

        Re: the thickness of screw threads was not fully standardized in the US

        And for a time, upto the 1950ies(?), on the continent, you could have metric bolt- and nut-heads on machinery, but 'british' threads. I guess as still functioning manufacturing tools like lathes used the old standards.

        1. Sorry that handle is already taken. Silver badge
          Happy

          Re: the thickness of screw threads was not fully standardized in the US

          Weird fasteners are perfectly fine on lathes because if you need to replace one the tool to make the replacement is right there.

          1. jake Silver badge

            Re: the thickness of screw threads was not fully standardized in the US

            Only if you have the proper screw cutting attachment.

            My (very well used, now restored) British made Boxford came complete with Imperial screw-cutter (fitted) and a "spare" in metric. Neither match the threads the machine is built with.

            1. the spectacularly refined chap Silver badge

              Re: the thickness of screw threads was not fully standardized in the US

              The screw cutting attachment is generally considered to be the assembly that advances the tool post at the right speed for the desired pitch. Generally the same one is used for both Imperial and metric, albeit you need to change a pair of gears over to get the options back to round numbers in the "other" system - e.g. a pair of identical gears may be replaced by a pair with 100:127 tooth count.

              The actual cutter needs to to be swapped according to the thread profile too, i.e. 60° for ISO metric threads, 55° for Whitworth.

              1. jake Silver badge

                Re: the thickness of screw threads was not fully standardized in the US

                To change from imperial to metric on my old (late 60s) Boxford AUD, you have to change out both the gearbox and the leadscrew. It's a minor pain in the ass, but hardly rocket science.

          2. C R Mudgeon Silver badge

            Re: the thickness of screw threads was not fully standardized in the US

            I once saw a machinist making a very large crown nut on a lathe. The thing looked just like the ones you can buy at a hardware store, but was many inches across -- I want to say almost a foot. It was to hold a large piece of industrial machinery down to one of its mounting bolts.

      3. I could be a dog really Silver badge

        Re: the thickness of screw threads was not fully standardized in the US

        And you don't need to go that old either.

        Late 80s Land Rover - similar mix of threads. By then "mostly" metric, apart from the BSF (prop flange bolts), BSW (some of the suspension bolts), and even a mix holding one component in place.

        And for fun, the venerable Rover V8 engine (based on an even more ancient Buick engine) kept the same block dimensions and threads (BSW) from it's very first version of 3.5l right the way through to the very last 5l versions. The length of the crank nose changed when they redesigned the front cover, otherwise parts were interchangeable.

        1. MJI Silver badge

          Re: the thickness of screw threads was not fully standardized in the US

          Discovery, prop bolts still BSF.

          Stroke of engine is 88.95mm

          Stroke of B Series 3.5"

          3.5" = 88.9mm

          Yes they made the last Diesel with the same kit as the B series

      4. Gene Cash Silver badge

        Re: the thickness of screw threads was not fully standardized in the US

        Also... Whitworth uses the bolt size as a measurement, not the head.... i.e. if you have a 5/8" Whitworth then the bolt has a 5/8" diameter. If you have 5/8" SAE, then the head is 5/8" across the flats.

        Plus, Firefox does not believe "Whitworth" is a word.

        1. Joe Gurman Silver badge

          Re: the thickness of screw threads was not fully standardized in the US

          Ah, so Firefox cares not a whit about your antiquated system of measurement,

        2. Ian Johnston Silver badge

          Re: the thickness of screw threads was not fully standardized in the US

          I have never heard of SAE threads, but for both UNC and UNF (or ANC and ANF) the number is, like Whitworth and BSF, the diameter of the bolt. In other words, 5/16 UNC, 5/16 UNF, 5/16 BSW and 5/16 BSF bolts are all 5/16" in diameter.

          You may be thinking of head sizes, which for metric and UNC/F are given as AF (across flats) but which for BSW/F are given as the thread sizes. So, for example, 5/16 UNF usually has a 1/2" AF head, M7 usually has an 11mm AF head and 5/16 BSW has a 5/16 BSW head which is actually 17/32" AF while 5/16 BSF has a 5/16 BSF head which is actually 1/2" AF. BSF heads are one size smaller than BSW of the same diameter, which is why spanners have things like "1/2" BSW 9/16 BSF" on them.

          1. Potty Professor
            Boffin

            Re: the thickness of screw threads was not fully standardized in the US

            My old man drummed this into me when I was about four years old. He was a Medical Research Instrument Maker, and taught me most of what I know, so much so that my Engineering Apprenticeship was a doddle.

      5. Denarius

        Re: the thickness of screw threads was not fully standardized in the US

        Impressive trivia knowledge. Having been cursed with ownership of a BMW RG1000GS I was astonished/gobsmacked at the number of different bolt or screw heads on the thing. My 1970s BMW was vanilla metric and Allen keys. Possible to assemble tool kit for going bush. Mostly provided with new bike. The 2010s equivalent required a truck of tools for the same. Why ? Anyone got a list of the types of screw and bolt heads lately ?

        1. Antron Argaiv Silver badge

          Re: the thickness of screw threads was not fully standardized in the US

          I had a 1959 VW Beetle. Most of the bolts were 10mm. But not all of them.

      6. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: the thickness of screw threads was not fully standardized in the US

        I think you may have started a thread here (sorry).

        :)

        1. Bill Gray Silver badge
          Coat

          Re: the thickness of screw threads was not fully standardized in the US

          Well, we all screw up occasionally...

          Sorry, gotta bolt out of here before I go nuts, despite the fasten-ating discussion.

      7. Antron Argaiv Silver badge
        Happy

        Re: the thickness of screw threads was not fully standardized in the US

        If you want to have some real "fun", try adapting the water input fitting on a Rocket espresso maker to US plastic tubing.

        It involved the purchase of a BSP to US copper tubing fitting on Ebay, because nobody sells (affordable single unit quantities) of BSP to US fittings. The fun was figuring out what was on the Rocket, because it came with absolutely no documentation (used). The challenge was even more fun, because I was in Hawaii at the time. Problem was solved, because not having coffee is a powerful motivator.

        1. jake Silver badge

          Re: the thickness of screw threads was not fully standardized in the US

          I'd pick up the phone and call McMaster-Carr for the proper adapter, or possibly Grainger. You can try mcmaster.com and/or grainger.com ... and then break out the Mellita and have a cuppa coffee while you wait for the part to arrive.

          Or head for your local machine shop and have them make one for you. I'd do it for free for a friend/neighbor. It's hardly rocket surgery.

          After all that, for day-to-day use I'd probably stick with the Melitta. They are cheap, make great coffee (assuming you start with great coffee, GIGO really applies here), are easy to clean, take no room to speak of, work in a power failure[0] (if you haven't bought into the "electric cooking will save the planet!!!" myth), etc. What's not to like?

          [0] Or over a campfire.

        2. David 132 Silver badge

          Re: the thickness of screw threads was not fully standardized in the US

          If you're in Hawaii - I'm thinking of Kona on Big Island in particular - you're surrounded by arguably the best coffee in the world. A powerful motivation indeed!

      8. Ropewash

        Re: the thickness of screw threads was not fully standardized in the US

        You have indeed inflicted BSP on the world as the G series of fittings is BSP equivalent in size and pitch but is usually still specified in inches in North America at least.

        i.e. to fit a G1/4 fitting you can tap the hole 1/4BSP.

  6. robj

    Reg Standard Length

    According to the Reg Standards Bureau online converter 1 Smoot = 0.1846 double decker buses

    1. Fr. Ted Crilly Silver badge

      Re: Reg Standard Length

      There are approx (rounding errors) 17,700000 square smoots under a Wales

  7. Will Godfrey Silver badge
    Thumb Up

    Priceless

    I absolutely love tales like this. Long may the nonsense continue!

    1. Antron Argaiv Silver badge

      Re: Priceless

      I like the bit where they adjusted the size of the paving slabs. That's not an inconsiderable effort, and must have come at some expense to the Commonwealth. Perhaps that's better not mentioned?

      Could it be possible that the civil engineer assigned to the project had some connection to MIT and/or the fraternity involved?

      1. Noram

        Re: Priceless

        I'm guessing for the contract it might have been worth the contractor offering to make a few moulds for the odd size, or it might even have just required changing the cut point on an automated line.

        I'm not sure if the slabs will be individually molded, or made on a convayer with a slice at the required timing for the size.

        either way if, as seems the way the authority in charge of the work respects the history of the measurement it seems like something that any canny supplier might consider worth trying to show they were willing to go the extra mile (or 945.7 smoots).

      2. Steve Aubrey

        Re: Priceless

        Having the sidewalk lines at 1 smoot makes repainting the bridge lines easier, should the original disappear.

        1. Antron Argaiv Silver badge

          Re: Priceless

          According to something I read, they are repainted every year by the fraternity pledges.

      3. Andrew Scott Bronze badge

        Re: Priceless

        boston does make an effort to keep some historical things alive. think they still celebrate evacuation day.

  8. Korev Silver badge
    WTF?

    > which separates the university town of Cambridge from Boston proper

    Boston proper is in Lincolnshire...

    Which isn't that near Cambridge

    1. Anonymous Coward Silver badge
      Headmaster

      Your name implies you're the opposite side of the country, so not knowing the intricacies is understandable, but Cambridgeshire and Lincolnshire do share a border.

    2. david willis

      London Bridge

      And London Bridge isn't in London ?

      1. katrinab Silver badge
        Headmaster

        Re: London Bridge

        Actually yes, London Bridge is in London. However London Bridge station is not, it is in Southwark.

      2. VicMortimer Silver badge

        Re: London Bridge

        London Bridge is in Arizona.

    3. Antron Argaiv Silver badge
      Thumb Up

      We are talking about Boston Improper :-)

  9. david willis

    The Smoot

    As a celebration of the individual, and as a nod to his comments about privacy/data sharing, could I suggest in addition to using the Smoot as a measure of distance, we use it as a measure of time, as used in the sentence - "it took us x Smoots to be in the position we are now with regards privacy & data sharing". Obviously I would bow to the individual to define a time based metric for "the Smoot"

  10. Prst. V.Jeltz Silver badge

    " He and his fellow pledges also had to wear burlap sacks covered in maple syrup for three days"

    ewwwwwwwwwww!!!!

    sadistic!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Yes, I bet it wasn't even the proper stuff - the true Canadian version is oft imitated, so lumering them with imitations would be extra cruel.

      :)

    2. Apocalypso - a cheery end to the world Bronze badge
      Happy

      > " He and his fellow pledges also had to wear burlap sacks covered in maple syrup for three days"

      But this was law school, so the obvious interpretation is to cover the burlap in maple syrup, leave it for 3 days and then wear it for 5 minutes at the next meeting.

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Boffin

    ...and then, there's the helen. And the millihelen.

    The 'Helen' is a measure of a woman's beauty.

    Helen of Troy was reported to be so beautiful that her face "...launch'd a thousand ships...".

    Hence, a millihelen is the amount of beauty which will launch one ship (actually, there were 1186 ships in the Battle of Troy, so Helen's beauty is, most precisely, 1.186 helens.

  12. spacecadet66

    The Harvard Bridge is called the Harvard Bridge because it's adjacent to MIT, not Harvard, which is on the other side of the city of Cambridge, and that's how they like to do things in Greater Boston.

  13. Ian Johnston Silver badge

    I'm sure that "Smoot" is also a fictional pirate, but I can't remember where. Not Captain Pugwash or Peter Pan.

  14. rdohner

    Measure for Measure

    Oliver Smoot went on to be the president of the US National Standards Institute and president of the International Organization for Standardization proving - something - about the value of fraternity pranks, at least at MIT.

  15. Richard Cranium

    I liked the nuclear physics unit, the barn, i understand the name originated from the phrase "as big as a barn".

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