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Apple has sued tech YouTuber Jon Prosser for allegedly leaking iOS 26 information to the public ahead of its reveal at WWDC in June. Apple sued Prosser and another individual, Michael Ramacciotti, in Northern California District Court yesterday, accusing [PDF] them of misappropriating trade secrets and a violation of the …

  1. Steve Aubrey
    Joke

    Like they say about politicians

    An honest scammer is one who stays bought.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    who cares

    1. Jamie Jones Silver badge

      This article may not interest you. That is fair enough.

      However, you seem to not understand how news sites work. Do you need assistance?

    2. Gene Cash Silver badge

      Does your mother know you're on dad's PC?

  3. elsergiovolador Silver badge

    Oh noes

    Apple: “Oh noes, someone saw our new icons early - now random dudes in their sheds will surely beat us to market!”

    1. DS999 Silver badge

      Re: Oh noes

      Apple just likes secrecy, because they like being able to do the "big reveal". You might think that's silly but it is their prerogative to protect their intellectual property even if the reason is frivolous.

      If the facts are as Apple alleges then it seems like Prosser is in some real trouble. That he merely got a look at Apple's new UI in advance of when they wanted to show it rather than getting to see some fabulously wild new advance that would put everyone else behind by years is irrelevant. It would be a crime to conspire in the way he's alleged to have done either way. Especially since he would have done it for personal gain - so that he could publish with it with the end goal that he gets more followers / "clout" and makes more money.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Oh noes

        Since he is (presumably) not an Apple employee, it's hard to see what obligation he has to not do what the hell he likes to Apples secrets he comes across.

        Of course Apple is no doubt claiming that he has an iPhone, and so has entered into a contract with Apple that covers everything, everywhere and for all time.

        At worst he has betrayed a friend, which is a moral crime akin to adultery, that is only a legal offence in a minority of right-thinking places, and not where Apple is.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          "moral crime"

          A dangerous concept unless you are dead keen on ayatollahs.

          Morality and criminality while not entirely disjoint are two quite different concepts.

          Not all criminal acts are immoral, most are amoral, some <span class='mordant-sarcasm'>even in US jurisdictions</span> moral.

          Equally most immoral acts are too trivial and personal for even the ayatollahs to consider offences.

          What constitutes immorality and criminality changes enormously with both time and place. Just consider the where and when of homosexuality, or more accurately homosexual acts, as an example.

          The one bible story that rang true as a child in our weekly religious education was "let him first cast a stone at her."

          I still believe that has the authenticity of the voice of the historical Christ from that I think it is pretty clear what he thought of the idea of "moral crime."

          † John 8:7 KJV

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: "moral crime"

            >The one bible story that rang true as a child in our weekly religious education was "let him first cast a stone at her.†"

            That was then, and this is now. The 21st Century Newspeak Bible verse is " Let he who is absolutely raddled with sins multitudinous, hurl as many stones and dung, while shouting Look Squirrel"

        2. DS999 Silver badge

          Re: Oh noes

          He knowingly acquired trade secrets and copyrighted information, including breaking into someone else's "computer system" (a smartphone qualifies as such under the computer misuse act in the US) by illicitly acquiring the password.

          How is that any different than if you were for example the sysadmin for one of your employer's servers containing their product plans for next year. Then I paid some guy to somehow weasel the password out of you, then when you were away at lunch he logs in, copies those product plans to give to me, and then I publish them for all to see? Do you think the only one at fault is you for your role in that? The middleman who actually logged in and copies the data has no blame? Me who paid for that to happen and personally profited from it has no blame?

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Oh noes

            Well the difference between seduction and rape is much the same as the difference between weaseling and stealing.

            Weasling and seduction are both quite legal. He's allowed to weasel. He was legally in the home. He's not an Apple employee. What's illegal here?

            Of course Apple will be claiming that something which is going to be duplicated and handed out without restriction half a billion times in a few weeks is a "trade secret".

            But you know. They are trade secrets, well today. No really.

            You have to be drinking their cool aid to believe that Apple asserting that because they assert it's a super duper secret, we should agree. Ah - no. We can see that you would like to keep in secret, and if you had kept it on premises it might have stayed that way. You didn't. You sent it home with developers, because you like to have them field tested e.g in home randos visit and in public places where bugger all is secret.

            1. DS999 Silver badge

              Re: Oh noes

              He's legally in the home but he got ahold of his roommate's password (we aren't told exactly how) and used to access a device that was not his and took pictures from what he knew was a restricted device (Apple devices running pre-public releases are clearly marked) on the instructions of someone who was paying him.

              Just because I'm in your home legally doesn't give me the right to dig through the filing cabinet in your office (after I finagled the key from you) and copy your tax returns and medical records to hand over to someone else to publish who is paying me to do it.

        3. gnasher729

          Re: Oh noes

          Possner didn’t “come across” any trade secrets. He paid a criminal mate to get access to these materials.

        4. gnasher729

          Re: Oh noes

          Your argument about owning an iPhone is nonsense. Stealing trade secrets just is criminal.

          And Possner paid somebody to get these trade secrets so is guilty. Paying someone is the same as stealing trade secrets himself. The next guy cheated on his idiot “friend” and used him to get access to trade secrets, making him guilty as well. The former friend was just stupid which doesn’t make him guilty, but lost him his job.

          And Possners obligations are like my obligations not to steal from a store that doesn’t employ me. It has nothing to do with employment.

      2. abend0c4 Silver badge

        Re: Oh noes

        even if the reason is frivolous

        Once upon a time, the protection of intellectual property would have been a matter of civil IP law, the principle of which is the remediation of actual damage.

        The Computer Fraud and Abuse Act makes breaking into the device (discovering and using the passcode) potentially the most serious part of the complaint. IANAL, but as I understand it the value of the information obtained is then largely irrelevant as long as the access was unauthorised.

        We may have reached the point at which large corporations do indeed have the "prerogative" of protecting the specific mysteries of their iconic corner radii with laws that were originally intended to protect critical military and financial systems, but should the legal system be inherently disproportionate?

        1. I am David Jones Silver badge

          Re: Oh noes

          Stealing trade secrets is (in the US, probably most other jurisdictions) a crime in and of itself, with or without laws regarding copyright or unauthorised access to computer devices.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Oh noes

          So I can sue Google and other search engines and AI crawlers as I state on my webpage that I don't allow them to access my server?

          /sarcasm

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Oh noes

            Actually, you could. The problem is that what the US somewhat sardonically refers to as 'justice' depends a great deal on who has the most money to pay lawyers so you may have to give up halfway through because they (well, the lawyers) financially drained you. As far as I can tell that's definitely not by accident.

        3. gnasher729

          Re: Oh noes

          “ We may have reached the point at which large corporations do indeed have the "prerogative" of protecting the specific mysteries of their iconic corner radii with laws that were originally intended to protect critical military and financial systems, but should the legal system be inherently disproportionate?”

          The iPhone layout was protected by design patents. Funny enough, Samsung who got sued had legitimate design patents for differently shaped rounded corners, but they preferred Apple’s design. And patents were never intended to protect “military or financial systems”. They are there to promote science do someone else can be inspired by s patent and create something better.

      3. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: Oh noes

        "If the facts are as Apple alleges then it seems like Prosser is in some real trouble."

        I wonder how much of the "facts" are based on a sacked employee trying to claim it wasn't his fault?

      4. Andrew Scott

        Re: Oh noes

        they just want to make sure they're buyers are disappointed after they get their new iphone, not before it's been bought.

    2. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Re: Oh noes

      New icons from 2006 invented first by Apple.

  4. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
    Coat

    Tim Cook's inside leg measurement

    Looks like it is easier to purloin Apple trade secrets than Tim Cook's inside leg measurement. It's need to know basis only, between him and his tailor.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Tim Cook's inside leg measurement

      "between him and his tailor."

      And which side sir "dresses" on. :)

      Bit puzzled. Not so much the cui bono but what the bono actually was for the defendants.

      † for sartorial perfection allowance must be made, apparently. As in everything, the bigger the man the greater the allowance expected.

  5. elDog Silver badge

    Seems to demonstrate that these "tech wizards" aren't master crims.

    Guess IT skills don't translate into street skills.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Seems to demonstrate that these "tech wizards" aren't master crims.

      "Guess IT skills don't translate into street skills."

      Defenestration is impractical from the sidewalk, according to Simon.

      You should always first have the PFY invite the party to admire the cityscape (temporarily) from the roof.

  6. xyz123 Silver badge

    iOS 29 is basically the same as iOS 4 or 5.

    the tagline should be 2012's tech - TODAY!

  7. Grunchy Silver badge

    PFFFFT, Ios26!

    So we've gone back to Win95, have we?

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "used the opportunity to obtain the passcode and access the device"

    How? Aren't Apple devices the most secure in the world, that even FBI couldn't break one?

    1. gnasher729

      Re: "used the opportunity to obtain the passcode and access the device"

      Not if the user is an idiot and trusts a “friend”.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: "used the opportunity to obtain the passcode and access the device"

      So the developers is included in the lawsuit because he broke company policies? There was no biometric? Face ID? Fingerprints? Just a one digit pin?

  9. Marty McFly Silver badge
    Facepalm

    Meanwhile at other companies...

    "If we gave out a bunch of pre-release devices to techies, do you think they would do a viral video about it? How do we get the same sort of attention that Apple gets?"

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