Ukrainian hackers claim to have destroyed major Russian drone maker's entire network Ukrainian hackers claim to have taken out the IT infrastructure at Russia's Gaskar Integration plant, one of the largest suppliers of drones for its army, and also destroyed massive amounts of technical data related to drone production. Or, as described by the hacking collective (per Google translate), they "deeply penetrated …
Yeah, that's the way I read it too, but then again there may be some subtle interplay between syntax, grammar and semantics in effect here that is beyond my personal pay grade and general abilities ...
I mean, IgotOut (not to be confused with IronGut) is generally a fair kommentard, historically, so I doubt his/her/its/their komment is counter to the OP here (more of a ham-fisted attempt at a "pedantic grammer nazi" correction like or such ...).
Anyways, here's to many more such successes beating rectum Putin's quarter-century totalitarian dictatorship of Russia! Glory to Ukraine!
I'd just like it to stop.
When people are anti Russia on this, are they aware of the lead up? Goes back a long way and we (West) are not innocent. Even were it all on the Russians, is it a reasonable society that lets a million or so die on its behalf, while it sits back? Maybe Trump's "peace" moves are real, if they are they are dangerously playing a long bet that pressuring Russia will make them cave. It could just escalate. You have to place yourself in Putin's place and think; what would I do? Then you shit yourself and hope he is more restrained. Because if I became convinced this was ending in nukes, I'd want to hit the button first.
> Goes back a long way and we (West) are not innocent.
Russia is bad m'kay.
The pro-West-anti-Russia narrative has been decades in the making and enforced by labelling anyone questioning that as an enemy of the people.
The Pavlovian response to downvote this, to hit the 'I am the sheeple' button, will have kicked in long before reaching the end of this sentence.
No : the anti-western narrative started in 2003 with the US / UK war on Iraq based on lies and costing the lives of 1/2 million children. Russia had nothing to do with it, as at that time the übervillain was Ossama Ben Laden. And BTW : Ukraine was part of that 2003 invasion of Iraq by the coalition of willings, so I don't understand why they complain now that they are invaded too !
We have not always been at war with Oceania. Rewriting of history is the trademark of dictatorships, thank-you for clarifying your position.
I'm not sure which history books you've been reading but the Iraq war was a rare moment of division in the 'West', with key NATO members remaining stubbornly opposed throughout. Not to mention all the protests in the countries that did take part.
Maybe why Putin thinks he can divide the West today over Ukraine. But he set up the circumstances of the 1991 Iraq war, when even the USSR was opposed to Saddam's invasion.
Nah, that 'anti western' narrative has been simmering and occasionally boiling over for a great number of years prior to 2003.
And, to be fair, it's been reciprocated for the same number of years by the western politiciand because nothing distracts better from domestic failings than a big bad enemy at the gate.
It goes back a lot further than "the West". I stumble across the same attitude in Victorian and Edwardian popular literature. Russians are always the bad guys except from a short period around WW1 when Kaiser Bill took over that spot (and the Russians were our allies).
Its difficult to fathom but it might be something to do with concern about Russian encroachment upon the Raj (India) through the North West Frontier (today's Afghanistan, more or less). Then there's the puzzle of the Crimean War. Everyone knows about it thanks to the Charge of the Light Brigade, Florence Nightingale, Balaclava Helmets (aka 'ski masks') etc. but surprisingly few of us know where, when and why this war happened.
Another weird thing about all this "Go Ukraine!" stuff in The West is that what most people think of as "Russia" is actually either Ukraine or Belarus, the western bit that's more "European" (Tchaikovsky, Tolstoy etc.). Its often a bit of a surprise when we realize there's a whole lot more to the country, it extends to the Pacific and even has a sort of border with the US (its only a couple of miles from America at its closest point).
You've not gone back far enough. Russia has, historically, been just another player in the grand and centuries old game of 'European' political machinations.
In the end the Russians are just another bunch of people trying to get on with their lives—like most of the rest of us.
The problem isn't 'Russia' or 'Europe' or the 'USA'; the problem is the gits who presume to rule the people, when in fact all they do is pursue their own personal greed and fear fuelled delusions of grandeur.
It's the 'leadership' that is almost always 'the problem', and that certainly is the case in Russia at the moment, and anywhere else where 'the law' and 'justice' is beaten into submission to serve said self-serving interests, and where 'the people'/'the nation' are merely possessions/objects to be used in that futile pursuit of power and wealth. Witness Putin's 'meat-grinder'—he and his cronies don't give a shit about the Russian people, except to prevent them threatening their little game.
I don't need a discussion of ancient history to know that a couple years ago we had functioning economies and established borders (regardless of how annoying, arbitrary, or inconvenient they may be for some people's plans), and now we have an army crossing that established border uninvited.
Exactly, regardless of the history, the political rhetoric around who's the boogeyman Russia launched military action against a sovereign nation and is continuing to kill people, take ownership of land etc.
You'd think all the people who claim to be patriots would understand why it's a bad thing to turn a blind eye, make excuses for or even cheer on one country invading another.
Exactly, regardless of the history, the political rhetoric around who's the boogeyman Russia launched military action against a sovereign nation and is continuing to kill people, take ownership of land etc.
Dear Yugoslavia, show me on the map where the NATO touched you. Oh, wait, Yugoslavia got wiped off the maps by that NATO 'defensive' action. And then of course there's Gaza, where city blocks are being bulldozed ahead of new property development.
Post WW1, and the break-up of the Ottoman Empire was the direct cause of the creation of Yugoslavia and wasn't supported by all of the different peoples involved. Evenetually, some factions decided they'd had enough and started (another) war of conquest/independence. NATO stepped in due to the ethnic cleansing that was going on and helped keep the warring sides apart. The side eventually formed their own separate countries, which is what many of them wanted back in 1918 anyway.
It's all a bit more nuanced than that, but if anything, the Balkens "troubles" mostly revolve around previous empires and arbitrary border drawing and/or removals by the then current foreign rulers, much as most of Africa, Middle East, and further afield.
Mostly, the former European empires have grown out of that phase now, but the repercussions are constantly coming back to bite.
Note, above is from memory, I'd suggest you go read some actual history if you want the details you so clearly need.
It's all a bit more nuanced than that, but if anything, the Balkens "troubles" mostly revolve around previous empires and arbitrary border drawing and/or removals by the then current foreign rulers, much as most of Africa, Middle East, and further afield.... I'd suggest you go read some actual history if you want the details you so clearly need.
Not me guv. So what about this-
The Kingdom of Galicia–Volhynia or Kingdom of Rus, a medieval kingdom
The Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria, a crown land of the Austrian Empire and later the Austrian half (Cisleithania) of Austria-Hungary
West Galicia or New Galicia, a short-lived administrative region of the Austrian Empire, eventually merged into the Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria
The District of Galicia, part of the Nazi General Government during the World War II occupation of Poland
One small part of Ukrainian history and politics. The first & last bit being somewhat connected because during WW2, the Galicians sided with the Nazis to give the world the Volhyn Massacre. The Galician SS Division kept their flag post WW2, and that's been flying alongside the red & black flag of the Banderites in 'modern' Ukraine. Who of course having seized power in the 2014 coup have been conducting their own ethnic and cultural cleansing. Complete with much the same language from WW2. Their Galicians regarded Slavs as subhumans, now their modern European descendents just call them 'orcs'.
So we redrew maps to erase Yugoslavia, why shouldn't Ukraine's map also be withdrawn to prevent that ethnic and cultural cleansing?
What has that got to do with the OPs comments re Yugoslavia?
Pretty sure I'm the OP who mentioned Yugoslavia, and the erasal of. And it has pretty much everything to do the current conflict given Russia's justification for their SMO was virtually identical to our justification for bombing and invading, then redrawing the maps. It set the precedent that maps can be redrawn, and might makes right.
It also has much the same causation, ie drawing maps irrespective of ethnic or cultural boundaries following WW1, WW2, the collapse of the Austro-Hungarian, Polish, Ottoman empires and of course the collapse of the Soviet Union. Then to keep things spicey, even a religious aspect with Christianity and various flavors of Orthodoxy and Islam. Oh, and of course Judaism given the large Ashkenazi Jewish population that had some siding with the OUN/Banderites and then regretting it once the OUN started siding with the Nazis and massacring Jews. Oh, and then there's Kosovo, which declared independence in 2008, the ICJ decided that was OK, even though Serbia and Albania disagreed, and still disagree. But NATO got Camp Bondsteel, so it's all good. Well, when I say NATO, although it's KFOR HQ, it's very much a US base.
So if say, Kosovo can declare independence, and be recognised, why not Crimea, or the Donbas? Especially when the UN permits this under rights to self-determination and also forbids ethnic and cultural cleansing.. Which of course is the root of Ukraine's problem with their attempts to eradicate Russian language, culture, religion by force. This is why Ukraine's civil war began and why it continues. Some Ukrainians just don't want to be Kiev's idealised, romaticised and mostly fantasy version of 'Ukrainian'.. Which strongly echoes the Teutonic myth exploited by the Nazis to beat the nationalism drum.
That hasn't gone too well and Ukraine is losing.. Which the West might be starting to finally recognise. Zelensky's gone from Churchill reincarnated to articles in the Spectator & FT pointing out that Zelensky's increasingly authoritarian policies might actually be obstacles to peace.. And perhaps it's time for him to go into exile, or just be tragically martyred. So now Zelensky's desperate to try agaiin in Istanbul, but is still not being realistic-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yl4lz0r38o
Ukraine has proposed a new round of peace talks with Russia, President Volodymyr Zelensky has said, in a move aimed at restarting negotiations that halted last month.
Senior security official Rustem Umerov has offered to meet the Russian side next week, Zelensky said in his evening address, adding that everything had to be done to get a ceasefire. Zelenksy also repeated his readiness to meet Russia's Vladimir Putin face-to-face. "A meeting at the leadership level is needed to truly ensure peace," he said.
Which indicates Zelensky is still not willing for peace, especially when the sides are diametrically opposed. Russia has kept the door open for serious peace negotiations, Ukraine insisting on another Minsk and ceasefire. Negotiators from both parties can work on peace proposals, then if those are agreed, Heads of State can meet for a photo opp to sign the terms. But Zelensky knows there's no need for any face-to-face with Putin at the moment, so can use refusal as an excuse to keep the conflict going and money pouring into Ukraine.
The russian love fest continues from JE. Sure you are not Serb? You post as one.
I only come to read TheReg very infrequently.
But every single time I read some of the article comments he is there shilling for the Kremlin again.
And he must be the only person in the entire West that actually uses the Kremlin's preferred (and idiotic) propaganda name for the war. ("SMO" - "Special Military Operation")
You know, the one that where they had planned to de-capitate the UA leadership within a few days of invading the country. LOL. The fact that Zelensky is still alive and hasn't yet fallen "mysteriously" out of a high-rise window must be Putin's #1 obsession these days.
... so he throws them in the Ukraine meat grinder. Not quite: it is those who live in the east who are mainly being sent to Ukraine. He knows "public support" would crumble if the one million lives were all from the west of Russia.
He HAS to keep on fighting. If it stops and he loses the area he has taken in Ukraine he's out of power, and probably soon after executed -- defenestration seems to be the most popular means. The "mighty Russian Army" is no more, stopped by the brave response from the Ukrainians. That's rather amazing. He chose Ukraine because he thought it would be easy, like Crimea, but it's tied him up in knots.
Of course the orange prat in the White House is neither use nor ornament.
... so he throws them in the Ukraine meat grinder. Not quite: it is those who live in the east who are mainly being sent to Ukraine. He knows "public support" would crumble if the one million lives were all from the west of Russia.
You seem to be projecting. Ukraine is throwing troops into the meat grinder and using snatch squads to recruit conscripts. Plus-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp3l22z5y2zo
The death of a 45-year-old ethnic Hungarian in Ukraine, weeks after he was conscripted into the Ukrainian army, has provoked a furious row between the Hungarian government and authorities in Kyiv.
Jozsef Sebestyen, a dual Ukrainian-Hungarian citizen, was beaten with iron bars after he was forcibly conscripted on 14 June, his brother and sister have told Hungarian media.
And when an American citizen died in a Ukrainian prison, Biden & the US State department didn't care.
He HAS to keep on fighting. If it stops and he loses the area he has taken in Ukraine he's out of power, and probably soon after executed
More projection. Zelensky was told by an Azov commander that if he agreed to a peace deal, they'd kill him. He also extended martial law again, because he knows if there was an election, he'd lose and then probably be killed by the Banderites.
The "mighty Russian Army" is no more, stopped by the brave response from the Ukrainians. That's rather amazing.
And also rather unbelievable, and contradicted by the realities on the ground. The Russian Army is still there, still advancing, and now threatening Pokrovsk & Konstantinovka. The later being somewhat infamous after Ukraine claimed a 'Russian' missile strike killing civilians at a market that turned out to have been a Ukrainian missile. The denial also included 'respected' news agencies photoshopping video of the missile flying the wrong way for it to have been Russian.
But such is the power of propaganda. This story claims hackers 'destroyed a major Russian drone makers entire network', yet provides no evidence that it made military drones. What evidence I've found seems to show it being a DJI user. I've not found any evidence to support that claim, but would happily be corrected if anyone can. Lots of articles repeating this claim, nothing to suggest they make or made military drones.
You believe the BBC? They're so utterly corrupted by their insane world view that they make up stories to support their bizarre stance. They are so far left that even the Russians don't take them seriously.
They were once the world's premier broadcaster, trustworthy, honest, accurate and technically flawless (when I worked there in the 70s and 80s in a senior engineering position.) Since then, successive leftist eco-loons have infected and infested the organisation to the point that it's entirely worthless and an embarressment to the UK. The sooner it's disbanded, the better.
AC for obvious reasons.
Well, the Russian were NOT the good guys during WW1. On the contrary. The tsar was one of the driving war mongering forces, have his greedy eyes on Galicia, then part of Austria-Hungary, and invaded Germany to keep it from coming to the aid of the rather inept Austrian military at that time in the east.
The Russian revolution happened leading to Russia withdrawing from WW1, and publishing the secret treaties of the Tsar including Sykes Picott, repudiating the debts of the Tsar, which is why they've been hated ever since for liberating themselves from the boot of Kings.
The French and UK teamed up to Invade the Donbass post WW1 pre WW2 to try to control the same area as this time around. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War#Russia_exits_the_war
Oh you're right the Tsar wasn't the good guy that's why he allied with the UK/French empire of racist oppression. "The Allied Powers became concerned at the collapse of the Eastern Front and the loss of their Tsarist ally to communism, "
"Then there's the puzzle of the Crimean War. Everyone knows about it thanks to the Charge of the Light Brigade, Florence Nightingale, Balaclava Helmets (aka 'ski masks') etc. but surprisingly few of us know where, when and why this war happened."
I am not a historian, but I reckon I can guess where the Crimean war happened.
Did that guess include the Baltic? And Petropavlovsk?
What about Moldavia and Romania (Wallachia)?
The Crimean war was actually a war fought by Britain, France, Sardinia and Turkey (the Ottoman Empire) against Russia, triggered by Russia's military expansionism at the expense of Turkey, and was fought globally.
The "enemy of the people" line is a distinct USSR era comment by the USSR to cover whatever they did against anyone they disliked.
Never really heard it used in the WEST !!!???
In a nutshell:
Russia is BAD because Putin is BAD ... he has a dream of recreating Russia in the image of the old USSR.
Ukraine is NOT Russia ... it has historically been badly treated by Russia from the times of the Monarchs thru the USSR period !!!
Ukrainians were NEVER accepted as true russians and were looked down upon.
Ukraine SIMPLY is useful as a boundary between russia & the west, which would be used a battlefield if russia felt it necessary.
The whole SMO non-sense is Putin thinking that he could 'strongarm' ukraine BECAUSE the west allowed russia to annex part of Ukraine with little to no push back.
Putin thought that Ukraine would crumble because they had a new inexperienced leader with NO background to fallback on for war !!!
I repeat the PUTIN is BAD ... this is NOT the russian people who are mis-informed daily and cannot assess the true reality !!!
YES ... I would like the War to stop ... BUT giving Putin what he wants will encourage him to do this again against another neighour.
The US of A is muddying the waters with the vacillating support/lack of support BUT Ukraine MUST win not only for their sake BUT to demonstrate that Putin will not be allowed to win THIS/FUTURE attempts to expand the borders of Russia.
The West and/or NATO is not a threat to Russia ... BUT is a threat to the expansion of Russia which would foreshadow future war as a consequence !!!
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Putin thought that Ukraine would crumble
Ukraine DID crumble in 1 week, and it would have been all over in 2 weeks had not the UK's prime minister Boris Johnson killed the negotiated peace plan of Istanbul. It's to make place for that peace-plan that the Russian army retreated, and which is portrayed by the US/UK propaganda as a historic win for the Ukrainian army. Today, the Ukrainian "army" recruits men by kidnapping them in the streets and sending them on the front where they are killed within a week.
History is written by the winners, you'll have to wait for Zelensky to be murdered to understand that.
IF you REALLY believe this then the mis-information in Russia MUST be amazing !!!
You have earned your 'corn' this week for projecting this 'flight of fancy' ... BUT I thought the point of 'propaganda' and 'misinformation' was to be believable at some level to sow doubt about what I, personally, thought was true !!!???
You do need to get a top-up on your 'skills/training' ... you have been just a little to eager on this one and left reality behind.
P.S.
History is indeed written by the winners BUT that does NOT change TRUTH !!!
Our mutual awareness of the 'History is written by ...' trope means that History should always be looked at through 'Questioning eyes' because 'facts can lie' !!!
[In other words, double/triple check from independant sources what is given as 'facts' and allow for biases and justifications after the fact.]
P.P.S.
An example of 'Facts' is that the people who lived a few miles from the Extermination camps during WWII, all stated that they had no idea what was happening in the camps ... they did not see the trains, hoards of prisoners, Black smoke etc etc ....
Do you accept these 'facts' at face value or reasonably surmise that they simply did not care and looked the other way !!!
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The Putin suppression of Chechnya, invasions of Georgia and Ukraine, and incursions in Syria and Kazakhstan have been "decades in the making" since Putin has been in power for two and a half decades. If you don't want people to think Russia is bad, maybe it's government can stop doing bad things? MK?
The Putin suppression of Chechnya, invasions of Georgia and Ukraine, and incursions in Syria and Kazakhstan have been "decades in the making" since Putin has been in power for two and a half decades. If you don't want people to think Russia is bad, maybe it's government can stop doing bad things? MK?
Governments doing bad things hmm? Like spreading propaganda? An EU report into the Georgia/S.Ossetia conflcit showed that Georgia started it. Good old Saakashvili, doing his master's bidding. And then there was Georgia's French President, Salome Zourabichvili who still thinks she's President, even though she lost an election to Kavelashvili.. Which was a great example of democracy and election interference, EU-style.
And then there was Syria. Another regime change job where Assad was declared mad, bad and had to go so we started a civil war. Syria invited Russia to help fight against assorted Al Qaeda, ISIS and HTS terrorist organisations. We invited ourselves into Syria and occupied their oil fields and a good chunk of Syria's agricultural land. Assad went into exile, Syria's now 'lead' by a former terrorist who had a $10m bounty on his head from the US.
And then of course there was Crimea, Donbas and Luhansk. Another day, another coup and regime change. Crimea voted overwhelmingly for indendence, then join the Russian Federation. We refused to recognise the Crimean's decision because that should be a NATO base, not Russian. Donbas & Luhansk also voted to break away from Kiev, Ukraine didn't agree and bombed, shelled and dropped PFM-1 mines on them. Then along can Minsk and 'peace through strength' where we decided to arm Ukraine so they could try and recapture Crimea, DPR & LPR.. Ukraine was poised to start that operation, Russia intervened, and we're where we are now.
Strange kind of 'peace' proposed by the West where we keep pouring weapons in to keep the conflict going, and fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.. Which Zelensky seems more than willing to support. But then given the amount of cash being poured into Ukraine with no accountability, why not take it?
"Crimea voted overwhelmingly for independence"
Here is an example of a 'FACT' that at face value is true ... until you look a little closer and realise that it is difficult to vote 'Freely' when you are in a region that has actually been annexed by another Country and it occupied by Foreign Troops !!!
The annexation was not asked for by the Ukraine people in the Crimea or anywhere else.
The vote was overseen by the same Russian Troops who had invaded the Crimea ... which does call into doubt how 'Free' the vote was and whether the result was 'Real' or conveniently arrived at for propaganda purposes.
Consider you are in the Crimea because that is were you live, the Russian army invades and then decides to run elections for Politicians who support the invasion and want to further the 'joining' of this region to Mother Russia.
When you are 'asked' to vote, the same invaders are watching what you do and encouraging you to vote 'Correctly' !!!
How many people would stand-up and vote against the 'wishes' of the 'benevolent invaders' !!!
In short, the voting was not free and fair, the counting was not verified and the result was not believable !!!
The whole thing was a contrivance to try to justify the invasion, which convinced no-one outside of Russia.
Repeating a lie constantly does not make it a TRUTH !!!
But nice try !!!!!
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Here is an example of a 'FACT' that at face value is true ... until you look a little closer and realise that it is difficult to vote 'Freely' when you are in a region that has actually been annexed by another Country and it occupied by Foreign Troops !!!The annexation was not asked for by the Ukraine people in the Crimea or anywhere else.
I'm not suprised you choose to post anyonymously given that garbage. Curiously enough, the 'Ukrainian' people in Crimea did ask for independence, especially after Kiev stripped Crimea of their autonomy. But as usual, you don't seem to understand what facts are. So when Crimea (and DPR. LPR) held their votes, they were still part of Ukraine. Then, in accordance with UN rights to self-determination, and the voting results where overwhelmingly in favor of independce, they declared it. Then ask to join the Russian Federation.
Consider you are in the Crimea because that is were you live, the Russian army invades and then decides to run elections for Politicians who support the invasion and want to further the 'joining' of this region to Mother Russia.
This is one of the dumbest and most often repeated claims. The Russian army didn't 'invade' because under the basing agreement, because the Russians were already there, it having been a major Russian base for a very long time. Then, because of it's historic ties to Russia, along with being a nice place to live, the majority of the population were ethnic Russian, or more closely aligned with Russia than the Banderites in Kiev. Which is also pretty much true across the whole of Ukraine with those in the East more closely aligned to Russia, and those in the West thinking they were European.
In short, the voting was not free and fair, the counting was not verified and the result was not believable !!!
To a bunch of morons, maybe. But there were election observers and the results were entirely believable given Ukraine's demographics and voting patterns in every election it had held since 1991. Nuland's cookies might have bought her Kiev, but once the Kiev regime seized power and started their crackdowns, the civil war and things like the Odessa Trade Union Massacre should have suprised nobody. Well, comments like this should have-
Right Sector's website called the incidents in Odesa "a bright page in our national history," and Svoboda MP Iryna Farion posted on Facebook "Bravo, Odesa. Pearl of Ukrainian Spirit. The birthplace of great nationalists Ivan and Yurii Lypa. Let the devils burn in hell. Football fans are the best rebels. Bravo!"
Repeating a lie constantly does not make it a TRUTH !!!
And yet you clearly seem to think that it does. Anonymously, of course..
It so entertains me that the fact I choose to post anonymously bothers you so much !!!
Not knowing my name does not make a truth a lie or vice versa.
You persist with your propaganda and always resort to name calling because you STILL convince NO-ONE ... other than yourself.
You believe your facts ... or at least tell everyone you do !!!
I believe mine !!!
I don't think we are going to convert the other ... BUT best of luck trying.
My final word is Слава Україні! ... Героям слава! ... Just because it will piss you off ... so so much !!!!
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Not knowing my name does not make a truth a lie or vice versa.
It makes following conversations a lot easier, especially when there are multiple anonymous posters. And it doesn't matter what name you've chosen either, so you'd retain some anonymity.
You believe your facts ... or at least tell everyone you do !!!I believe mine !!!
But your 'facts' are fiction. Just to pick on one statement-
until you look a little closer and realise that it is difficult to vote 'Freely' when you are in a region that has actually been annexed by another Country
That statement is simply wrong, and demonstrates that you have no knowledge of the history. Facts are that Crimea held a referendum on March 16th 2014 to declare independence. Vote passed, then Crimea asked to join the Russian Federation and was accepted. The results should have suprised nobody-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Crimean_status_referendum#Polling_prior_to_Russian_occupation
with pre-2014 polls showing a majority in favor of seccession and rejoining Russia. The actions of the Kiev regime post-coup and their rabid 'Right Sector' politicians just made the referendum results even more inevitable. The referendum also included an option to rejoin Ukraine per their 1992 Constitution, but Kiev would not have allowed it. Then they expressed their displeasure further by doing a bit of a Gaza and attempting to blockade Crimea, along with cutting off their water supply.
Just because it will piss you off ... so so much !!!!
Nope, it just identifies you as a Banderite, parroting the same slogan the OUN did as they killed Jews and Poles. You might have noticed that Starmer and other 'leaders' have stopped using that phrase, possibly because someone told them of its origins.
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...are they aware of the lead up? Goes back a long way..
Every rapist has beautiful explanations and justifications of the lead up, how long back it goes and so on.
And of how much less it will hurt if the raped just submits, and how very much irresponsible all that resistance is.
Well, there was this one case in the beginning of their dumb war around April 2022 (back when not everything was secret) when the ruzzkie aviation administration got its system nuked completely and had to switch to pen and paper for a few months at least.
One can hope they felt safe about this as well.
The line refers to the anatomical part used in the common russian prison torture tactic of having someone insert the thin and sometimes broken end of a large bottle into their fourth point of contact by means of squatting onto the said bottle with their pants down, most often than not helped by a friendly push on the shoulders by the torturers for deeper penetration.
The practice is known as "on-bottling" or "sitting on the bottle" in that glorious language.
Various adjectives and nouns based on this concept are often used to describe the russian invaders, as Ukrainians assume the main purpose of that orifice in russia is the torture practice, and that every russian is only a hair away from being subjected to it.
Whether or not this claim is valid, it does indicate that future warfare is not going to content itself with only what is happening on the front lines.
If Napoleon failed to conquer Russia with his Great Army, if Hitler failed to even get to Moscow, if the Japanese failed to hold their conquests in the Pacific during WWII, it all boils down to supply.
I don't remember the exact figures, but I seem to remember that, in WWII, for every US soldier sent into battle, there were 100 people working 24/7 to get him his ammo, food, gear and whatever else he needed.
Napoleon said an army marches with its stomach. That may have been enough back in the day, but today's modern armies need way more than just food.
And successfully hindering any part of that supply line could make quite a difference in the final outcome.
It doesn't matter, certain people with influence win regardless. These people do not have loyalty to a country because they consider themselves outside of the nation state. Wars help move more wealth and power to them. We, the people, don't understand that. A look at history shows wars become more prevalent as financial systems collapse. They cover the fact, that would otherwise be revealed during a collapse, that some people make money and power out of the collapse. Indeed their sucking of wealth and power from the masses is what causes financial disasters.
In WWII, western theatre it was about 8-9 in logistics and support arms (medical, ordnance, supply, transport) for every infantryman* at the sharp end.
(as I recall from We Have Ways podcast)
* also for context, in any given operation there would be two brigades in the attack and one in reserve. Of each brigade, two battalions committed and one in reserve. In each battalion, two companies committed and one in reserve. And so on... So if all went to plan less than 2/3 of the nominal size of a force was expected to be in combat.
This aligns also with psychology, which has - I read* - posited that a good proportion of people are quite incapable of killing another human being in just about any circumstances.
[*can't remember where and I'm at work so I'm not having "how many people can actually kill another person" in my search history]
I think it's important that most people don't want to harm other people, that empathy is ultimately about self-protection, wanting to / being overly willing to harm others is not healthy, and many people who do so are damaged by the experience.
Oppression of people has two victims, the oppressed, and the oppressor. We are meant to take care of one another, and try to enjoy our lives.
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Your reply sparked a thought and I tried doing some research.
I found this, and I thought I should share.
People can, and sometimes do, kill. No question there. The circumstances matter, though.
If I find someone raping my daughter or my wife, he had better pray that the police are not far because I will slaughter him with the nearest sharp or blunt object I can get my hands on.
If you attack me with the clear intent of ending my life (for whatever reason), and I have a gun at hand, I will defend myself and shoot you. If I don't have a gun, I will fight for my life and if you die, well, you started it.
If you tell me that thousands of invaders are coming, give me an assault rifle and a handful of mags, and ask me to defend my fellow citizens, I do believe I will try to make every bullet count.
But if you hand me that gun and mags, ship me off to a place I've never been before and might not even have ever heard of, and then order me to go kill some people I don't know and never will for some reason that has nothing to do with me, I'm not convinced that I will become Rambo and go kill everything that moves.
Interestingly, that is actually one of the PTSD trauma's: having to live with the fact that you had to kill people who on the face of it had done nothing wrong.
One of my more colourful acquintances was ex Legion (one of two survivors of a group of ten that deserted), and that was the reason he drank. A lot. That's what also killed him: liver failure.
'Tis true. No matter how high-tech and equipped an army is - cut their supply lines and they're in trouble.
"When you do battle, even if you are winning, if you continue for a long time it will dull your forces and blunt your edge; if you besiege a citadel, your strength will be exhausted. If you keep your armies out in the field for a long time, your supplies will be insufficient."
Sun Tzu, Art of War
There is a fascinated TV series in the UK (maybe available elsewhere) called "War Factories".
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11281232/
The premise being that, ultimately, Nazi Germany lost the war because the western allies swamped them with a tide of mass production of just about everything - tanks, aircraft, trucks, ships, weapons, ammunition, fuel and food.
Unfortunately, business and infrastructure do not learn until something blows up in their face.
Infrastructure has been warned repeatedly and continuously for the past 25 years. It hasn't changed anything, apparently.
As for business, what to say ? I guess it costs less to get hacked than it does to have competent people doing their job. That's a Board-level decision and, if they're happy with the consequences, I don't care more than they do.
Once this conflict is over where do think they'll be hacking next and who is to say they did it on thier own without any outside influences.
Both sides are hacking each other by goverment funded operations, that wont just cease once the conflict is over.
Still at least people arent really dying by hacking its just preventative. the bombs will keep falling and the bullets will still be able to fly.
ALmost guarantee the manufacturer in question is probably privately owned
There are two sources.
1. The wannabe new USSR
2. A small country being invaded by 1.
As the enemy of the G*d awful invader, I trust the Ukrainians more than I trust their invaders. It is not inconceivable that our spooks know what is going on there.
Logically, you should ask if I trust our spooks. Judging by a recent court case, not 100%, just considerably more than Vlad the Mad or his fat, orange friend AKA Agent Krasnov
Logically, you should ask if I trust our spooks. Judging by a recent court case, not 100%, just considerably more than Vlad the Mad or his fat, orange friend AKA Agent Krasnov.
Or we just wait and see. If, over the next say, 3 months there is a gradual reduction in the number of drone strikes into Ukraine, and a reduction in Telegram vids showing drones along the contact line.. Then that would be evidence that this hacktion accomplished something. If they don't, and there's no Telegram messages complaining about the lack of drones, then it's just more noise from Ukraine's PR team.
But I track the conflict fairly closely and it isn't a name I'd come across as a producer of the drones being used. If it's this Gaskar, then the website seems to be back up, and they seem to be more of a drone user. The drone in the photo I don't think is theres. But they do seem to do survey/geospatial work using drones, which might explain why so much data was exfiltrated. Which if they'd surveyed Russian defence sites, could still include some potentially useful info.
https://gaskar.group/en/drones
Oh, and compare drones-
https://www.dji.com/uk/support/product/matrice-300
On the basis that 'the West' continues to support Ukraine, I wonder whether the data will be shared with their main allies? A statement from a European power or the USA confirming the attack, exfiltration of masses of data and destruction of the network would be useful publicity.
However, I have no idea what:
they "deeply penetrated" the drone manufacturer "to the very tonsils of demilitarization and denazification."
means. Any suggestions? Due to covid, I found out where two of my tonsils are (according to QI we each should have seven) so I can only assume that this is a reference to something like having grabbed them by the throat.
'However, I have no idea what: they "deeply penetrated" the drone manufacturer "to the very tonsils of demilitarization and denazification." means. Any suggestions?'
Is this faux naïvety? Well, I shall speak plainly. I read this as "face-fucking them with such depth that it's likely to trigger the gag reflex". Metaphorically, that is.
Normally, I'd assume that's already been done to at least some extent and it's all down to calculating the risk/reward formula. But I've no idea what's really happened unless and until we get more information, such as release of enough plausible data proving it happened. This is exactly the kind of hacking operation that only gets made public when there's no longer enough benefit to remaining in stealth mode, time to burn the place.
But I've no idea what's really happened unless and until we get more information, such as release of enough plausible data proving it happened.
Perhaps start here?
https://gaskar.group/en/drones
People are happily running around creating conspiracy theories, but I've yet to find anything that shows Gaskar really is/was a major supplier of military drones, rather than a user of DJI drones. It's possible that sofware Gaskar developed for the DJI drones and commercial surveying was modififed for military applications, but I can't find anything to suggest or substantiate this.
So you think I should expand my horizons and rely on the information provided by the alleged victim because their side of the story is so much more likely to be reliable and accurate?
Thanks, but I'll wait and see what sort of information appears from independent sources before I make my mind up.
And FWIW, https://gaskar.group/ seems to show they do a lot more than aerial surveys. The background masthead picture and the pics next to text seems to imply they build or at least heavily modify drones.
The "About Us", translated (By Google, and since I don't read Russian, may be deliberately mis-translated to fool me by The Deep State(tm) of course!!!) states:
About us
GASKAR Group is a developer and manufacturer of unmanned aerial vehicles, electronics, software and components for UAVs.
We also develop and manufacture drone ports and UAVs for autonomous monitoring of territories, delivery of lightweight cargo and other missions.
GASKAR has been working in the field of information and unmanned technologies since 2016. From a startup, the company has developed into a large holding company, which includes a 20,000 square meter plant where serial production is organized, as well as companies that are engaged in the development of the latest solutions in the field of UAVs:
- "Paseka" - battery production
- "Digital Lab" - electronic module production
- "View Lab" - optical module production
- "Avra" - electric motor production
In total, GASKAR employs over 650 people.
So, thanks for your concern over my ignorance, but I can get information from the horses mouth, rather than the horses arse.
And FWIW, https://gaskar.group/ seems to show they do a lot more than aerial surveys. The background masthead picture and the pics next to text seems to imply they build or at least heavily modify drones.
Errm.. You didn't notice I'd linked to Gaskar's website a couple of times? Which you could assume meant that because the name was unfamiliar, the first thing I did was try to find out more about them. If they'd hacked say, ZALA, that might have been more significant because ZALA makes the Lancet and other drones that are being used.
All Gaskar's marketing shows the DJI Matrice-300 with maybe custom cameras and software. Elements of the group say they make things like induction charging stations, bateries, but depending on how consolidated group companies are, the hack may not have affected those entities. Maybe they're making DJI drones under licence, maybe they're not so this hack won't have much impact. Most of the DJI drones I've seen being used by Russia have been more basic Mavics though.
Again it's one of those things where time might tell. If there's a reduction in drone activity, maybe this hack had some effect. If not, then maybe add it to the list along with the Ghost of Kiev, the Heroes of Snake Island and babushka knocking down drones with well-aimed pickle jars.
Errm.. You didn't notice I'd linked to Gaskar's website a couple of times?
I did. But your comments suggest you didn't read it, other than the English language "fluff" piece on aerial surveying, and completely missed the home page where they describe their done manufacturing, which you said they don't do. At this stage it's still difficult to work out what you mean by "military" drones. The front lines are using anything they can get their hands on for surveillance and attack, including DJI-like drones.
At this stage it's still difficult to work out what you mean by "military" drones. The front lines are using anything they can get their hands on for surveillance and attack, including DJI-like drones.
Again, I know this because I've been following Ukraine's civil war since before the coup. The 'fluff piece' is the claim that this hacktion is at all significant, or will have any impact on the front lines because I've seen no evidence of Gaskar drones being used. So it's one of those 'trust me bro' bits of propaganda. The hackers claim to have exfiltrated TB of data, but produced nothing to support their claims. Sure, DJI Matrice dones could be being used for ISR, but ZALA and other Russian defence companies have been churning those out since before the SMO started and have been shown in use from both Ukraine and Russian video.
And then there's stuff like this-
https://x.com/East_Calling/status/1946951942925664404
Showing how Russia is churning out Shahed/Geran drones in an Alabuga plant-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabuga_Special_Economic_Zone
Which is challenging for Ukraine because that's a long way from their territory, and would be too far for Ukraine's soon to be in service "Byk" missiles.
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