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IBM's Linux subsidiary is offering a new way to get RHEL without paying, now with up to 25 instances. Yesterday, Red Hat announced a new type of free developer subscription for its enterprise distro. The new entitlement is aimed at developers working inside "corporate organizations" and allows them to get up to 25 instances of …

  1. m4r35n357 Silver badge

    Soooo

    They are getting into the auditing business in a big way?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Soooo

      Wasn't the IBM mothership already rife (infested?) with accountants? Seems like some of them could be re-tasked.

    2. chasil

      Re: Soooo

      We have already been audited for license compliance.

  2. Cloudseer

    Makes you wonder

    Why would you want to develop or learn a setup you can’t deploy into production?

    1. Apocalypso - a cheery end to the world Bronze badge

      Re: Makes you wonder

      > Why would you want to develop or learn a setup you can’t deploy into production?

      So you can learn the skills that will get you a job with an organisation that can pay to deploy into production?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Makes you wonder

        Yes, there's not much meaningful advantage to RHEL itself, but it can be hard to ignore the associated employment opportunities from corporations who don't know any better.

        To be fair, Red Hat do have an abundance of documentation, and some of it is decent, even good on occasion. But I somewhat liken it to Cisco, e.g. as a lever to sell more vendor courses, certification tracks, manuals, etc. Which feeds the corporate employment cycle, and must be renewed periodically.

  3. Dan 55 Silver badge

    25 instances in corporate organisations

    Do they think corporate organisations have just 25 developers or something?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: 25 instances in corporate organisations

      You just need to have cpu_core_count divided by 25 cpus assigned to each vm, this way you can't have more than 25 of them 'running' at the same time.

    2. Apocalypso - a cheery end to the world Bronze badge

      Re: 25 instances in corporate organisations

      > Do they think corporate organisations have just 25 developers or something?

      I did wonder reading the article whether they meant 25 per developer or 25 per organisation. I could go and look on RHEL's website to find out but it's too hot and I can't be arsed. :-)

      1. Dan 55 Silver badge

        Re: 25 instances in corporate organisations

        Simplified access to the world’s leading enterprise Linux platform with the self-service ability to entitle up to 25 physical, virtual or cloud-based instances per registered user as a member of the Red Hat Developer Program.

        It's cooler now so I checked. Per developer. You just have to get past your corporate's bureaucracy first. Or the other way is just downloading Rocky or Alma.

        1. chasil

          Re: 25 instances in corporate organisations

          IIRC Alma is a clone of CentOS Stream.

          Rocky strives to be bug-for-bug compatible with RHEL, Alma is now upstream.

  4. MacroRodent

    What's the point?

    Wondering what is the advantage of this over using the corresponding clone version: RockyLinux or AlmaLinux. You could develop on these, then deploy on RHEL if you for whatever reason are forced to use it.

    1. CAPS LOCK

      Re: What's the point?

      Exactly. IBM is intent on killing its investment. Quelle suprise!

    2. Liam Proven (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

      Re: What's the point?

      > Wondering what is the advantage of this over using the corresponding clone version:

      Branding. This is the _real thing_.

      It's like a T-shirt that says "DOLCE AND GABBANA" on the front. I mean _obviously_ that's better than a T-shirt that doesn't say D&G. It's a _designer_ T-shirt. Designer clothes are _better_. Even if they are just a T-shirt. It may look exactly like other T-shirts but it must be better because it's a designer one. It's probably... like... better made, from better quality cotton. Right? Because it says it's a designer one right there on it... and it costs more.

      So it makes sense that it's better. I mean if it wasn't better people wouldn't pay for it, so it has to be, or the company would go broke, and yet it's worth billions! Nobody ever for fired for buying IBM, right?

      IBM costs more but it's quality kit. This is IBM Linux. IBM wouldn't have bought them if they were rubbish. IBM is expensive and it's been around for 114 years so it knows its stuff, right? It wouldn't buy some cheap crappy distro that couldn't do version-to-version in-place upgrades, right?

      I'm sorry. Something just came in on my mind-control ray. Please scratch the part about version upgrades. You don't need those. Nobody upgrades servers. You deploy new ones. Please ignore that and continue to pay for this high quality ENTERPRISE distro. It says ENTERPRISE right there in the name so you know it must be good.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: What's the point?

        "Please scratch the part about version upgrades."

        Tried that once on a test system a very long time ago†. Not a pretty sight. Once seen, never forgotten.

        Most if not all proprietary Unixes supported in place (major) version upgrades‡ which generally worked unless you had been playing silly buggers with the system disk or its file systems. I always wondered how many Unix sysadmins moving to Linux system got burnt by this.

        † Before RHEL 4 I would imagine.

        ‡ Usually one way. Normally no downgrade path. A backup root and /usr were always a wise investment as were actual backups. ;)

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: What's the point?

          > I always wondered how many Unix sysadmins moving to Linux system got burnt by [no in-place major upgrades]

          Possibly not as many as you'd think. E.g. those of us who started as Unix Sysadmins didn't have that many Linuxes early on, and by the time we did, we'd either been warned by the Red Hat sales team, and/or were burned once by an attempt at RHEL major upgrading, and didn't bother with it again.

          Some (likely fewer) of us were fortunate enough to have Debian and/or FreeBSD et al, and didn't really see what the fuss was about.

          A smaller still number of us had to support all of them, the worst of all worlds, as it were.

          Now, we did typically do full re-installs for 32- vs. 64-bit OSes on everything, but often as not the underlying hardware was changing too, so it was considered the price of admission.

      2. Mockup1974

        Re: What's the point?

        Excellent comment, please copy paste it into the boot note for any RHELated articles you write.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "Neither freebie version includes access to the Red Hat Satellite fleet-management tool."

    Unless RHSAT 6.x has toddled off in the direction of Damascus and had an epiphany in the last few years I would count that omission as a feature.

    The previous Spacewalk based version 5. was for all its flaws a great improvement on its successor.

    I think SuSE did maintain and support a Spacewalk based system which could be used instead to manage RH fleets but the service had to run on a SuSE system.

    The only reason I would run RHEL using this offering would be to keep my RHELative fleet as functionally compatible with stock RHEL as legally possible.

    If you were using Alma Linux (AL) it would depend on your actual usage whether RHEL ⊆ AL or AL ⊆ RHEL was more important. If you were developing applications targeted towards the RHEL platform AL ⊆ RHEL might be wise although targetting AL ⋂ RHEL would be wiser. If you just consumed fairly common third party packages RHEL ⊆ AL would be acceptable as would in practice a great deal less.

    In environments where hardware and software has to be certified and supported these concerns do not arise; you choose your poison and pay for the pain.

    1. Alistair
      Windows

      Re: "Neither freebie version includes access to the Red Hat Satellite fleet-management tool."

      I never did SAT because we had issue with the way system config and details were stored *at redhats end*.

      Cloned the repos we had access to and kept our own copies. Used several different FOSS utilities to keep the systems updated and since we never stored app/user data on the same volumes as the OS we did (reinstall) on version jumps. Release updates and security patch runs were in general painless. I learned entirely too much about anaconda.

  6. carl0s

    What a nightmare.

  7. IGnatius T Foobar ! Silver badge

    It's incomplete

    RHEL is a cute distro but it's missing XLibre.

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