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A mysterious piece of "under development" code is playing havoc with the Windows Firewall after the latest preview update for Windows 11 24H2. The problem manifests as an error in the Event Viewer for Windows Firewall With Advanced Security and can occur following the installation of the June 2025 Windows non-security preview …

  1. JessicaRabbit

    They're just not even trying to to follow good software engineering practices at this point.

    1. Andy Non Silver badge

      I doubt the AI that wrote the software cares much for software engineering practices.

      1. Paul Herber Silver badge

        I expect the AI is autistic, OCD, ADHD and has Tourettes as well. Well, **** that.

    2. jake Silver badge

      At this point?

      From my perspective, Microsoft has NEVER followed good engineering practices.

      Individuals within the company might have in the past, but the company as a whole? Nah. Never happened.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Microsoft & Technical Excellence

        Read Joel Spolsky to learn how Microsoft used to be technically-excellent.

        A problem at many companies is that when intelligent, effective, games-playing rat-bastards manipulate themselves into positions of high authority, the corporate environment turns toxic, and everyone (who wants to keep their job) is forced into gaming the numbers.

        Coders KPI'd on code checkins start making checkins for every stinkin' little thing, far beyond any reasonable level of granularity. Hell Desk staffers KPI'd on calls handled per hour will say things like, "Try x, and if that doesn't work, call me back." Some will even hang up on the caller, and mark the incident as "Closed by customer" in the support incident database.

        People who are "rated by the numbers", vs by actual management knowledge of their workers and the work they do, do not have time to do good jobs; they're too busy dog-paddling to stay afloat despite the KPI-weights dragging them down.

        Back in the 2000s, I had a few interactions with Microsoft support, and the PSEs all were knowlegable and helpful. That said, we weren't calling first-tier Hell Deskers to ask, "Why is my Word document not paginating correctly?" We had a ~$20K/year support contact with M.S., and we spoke to third-tier support, asking questions like, "Why is CCM [neé OnCommand] not seeing some of our PCs, even though they're joined to our domain and the user is signed on using their domain account?"

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Microsoft & Technical Excellence

          Yes, I used to have a similar experience with MS support through a large support contract. It was excellent at the time. Now it's pot luck if you happen upon someone who understands their area.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Microsoft & Technical Excellence

          "Hell Desk staffers KPI'd on calls handled per hour"

          Or number of tickets closed. I strongly suspect my employer's IT department is graded on tickets closed; it would explain why, when I call to find out the status of a ticket, they create another ticket just to tell me that the first ticket hasn't made any headway. Again. Each ticket gets its own feedback form, though, so I tend to answer with "speed: 5/5. satisfaction: 1/5. Comment: Just called to ask about a ticket status, why create another ticket for that?" Not that anyone reads the comments.

          1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

            Re: Microsoft & Technical Excellence

            "Just called to ask about a ticket status, why create another ticket for that?"

            Maybe you should raise a new ticket to implement a system whereby you can go see how your ticket is progressing online without having to call them? :-)

    3. UnknownUnknown Silver badge

      Probably just Recall. Nothing to see here.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Reminds me of how all of Microsoft's own emails go directly to Spam in Outlook. I never once marked any of their email as spam (possibly never marked anything as spam, I don't use it often), it just does that on it's own, consistently.

    1. captain veg Silver badge

      Microsoft's own emails go directly to Spam in Outlook

      Interesting.

      When I receive spam I report it to the hosting organisation that was used to send it. Should that sender be Microsoft then I receive an automated response *not* thanking me and stating that they are looking into the issue, or even that I should file a complaint at some online form, but that the abuse role account is not monitored and offering precisely no alternative.

      Cunts.

      -A.

  3. Mike 137 Silver badge

    WTF?

    "a feature that is currently under development and not fully implemented"

    As a quite long in the tooth engineer I have to ask -- what on earth is an "under development" "feature" doing in a production release? Or have we reached the bottomless pit where there's no such thing any more as a production release? If so, that would explain a lot about the abysmal quality of current software.

    1. IGotOut Silver badge

      Re: WTF?

      It's not.

      "after the latest preview update for Windows 11 24H2."

    2. Excused Boots Silver badge

      Re: WTF?

      "what on earth is an "under development" "feature" doing in a production release? Or have we reached the bottomless pit where there's no such thing any more as a production release?”

      Ding.., ding...ding; and this is the correct answer.

      No MS really don’t give the tiniest shit about you or your company, push ‘xyz’ out and it breaks your entire company; sorry about that, what are you going to do?

      And, maybe they learn something from the effects of ‘xyz’, but it won’t help you, because they don’t care about you, has it improved their LLM?

  4. navarac Silver badge

    Windows 11 24H2's hall of shame

    To me, Windows 11 24H2 totally IS a hall of shame. Microsoft's fixation (aka Satya Nadella's directives) with injecting AI into everything they work on, to the exclusion of all else, has got to be the problem. And then they have the audacity to say that 25H2 is basically the same code? Don't expect anything better, in that case. Seems to me that the C Suite have laid off all the software Engineers and are probably relying far too much on the doubtful and often faulty output from AI, to code this stuff.

  5. An_Old_Dog Silver badge

    Great Expectations

    Windows Firewall "is expected to function normally,"

    My neighbour 'expected' to win the lottery. When he failed to do so, he was the only one surprised by this.

    1. Bebu sa Ware

      Re: Great Expectations

      Windows Firewall "is expected to function normally,"

      Well Pip, that would also be trivially true if you were to turn the firewall off.

      Actually more so as it's functioning (or more properly lack of) is not only completely expected and predicable but vastly more reliable.

      As a schoolboy Dickens' opus was of course Great Expectorations.

  6. Ken Moorhouse Silver badge

    "related to a feature that is currently under development and not fully implemented"

    Oh, so are we talking about the whole of Windows 11 then?

    1. ITMA Silver badge
      Devil

      Re: "related to a feature that is currently under development and not fully implemented"

      You're confusing "under development and fully implemented" with "just plain and utter shite".

  7. Blackjack Silver badge
    Unhappy

    Raise your hand if you think it is even more spyware.

    *Raises hand.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      It *might* not be.

      It might instead be yet another way to break printing.

  8. Reginald O.
    Big Brother

    Nobody Say Anything

    When things like this happen I figure it's NSA tinkering with the code again and only they have any idea what it's about.

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