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A year after the Right to Repair laws passed in California and Minnesota, many product makers still aren't doing much to help consumers fix the gear they bought. "There are definitely some places where things have gotten a lot better and have totally changed as the result of this legislation, and then there's other kind of …

  1. MiguelC Silver badge

    Re: firmware needed to effect repairs on a Hakko soldering iron

    Let me repeat that, firmware, on a soldering iron?

    And that's where the problem lies....

    1. GlenP Silver badge

      Re: firmware needed to effect repairs on a Hakko soldering iron

      Some of them appear to have things like preset temperatures, password protection, etc. so I guess they're aimed at small run production where you don't want the operator changing settings (e.g. upping the temperature to speed things up at the expense of quality).

      Personally I'll stick with my analogue temperature controlled Antex.

      1. RAMChYLD Bronze badge
        Coat

        Re: firmware needed to effect repairs on a Hakko soldering iron

        Temperature control?

        Back in the 80s all soldering irons only have two presets: room temperature (off) or hot-af (on).

        I feel old.

        I'll see myself out.

        1. Spazturtle Silver badge

          Re: firmware needed to effect repairs on a Hakko soldering iron

          That was back in the good old days when solder was made from lead and melted easily.

        2. that one in the corner Silver badge

          Re: firmware needed to effect repairs on a Hakko soldering iron

          (Looks to right of keyboard, at yellow pencil-shaped thing sitting in big silver boingy spring):

          "Antex, t'were good enough for me dad, is good enough for me."

    2. EricB123 Silver badge

      Re: firmware needed to effect repairs on a Hakko soldering iron

      Which LLM did the soldering iron incorporate?

      1. C R Mudgeon
        Coat

        Re: firmware needed to effect repairs on a Hakko soldering iron

        As in 'Lectric Lead Melter?

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    With a little bit of luck...

    the last few months of the deranged Trumpisstani antics might embolden the rest of the planet to take a hatchet to those US self serving Intellectual Property laws that were foisted on thethe world usually by way of "free" trade agreements. (Those worked out really well didn't they?)

    Hell! We might even return to the 50 year copyright term.

    1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      Re: With a little bit of luck...

      "Hell! We might even return to the 50 year copyright term."

      IIRC, as far as the EU is concerned, you can blame that on EU bureaucrats not wanting even a single country to "suffer" a reduction in copyright laws when "harmonising" them across the EU and so the whole of the EU had their length raised to match the member with the biggest number, Germany.

  3. mkusanagi

    Controller cards

    Given that controller cards seem to be a common point of failure, for non-electromechanical appliance control systems, I am curious at what point we will see custom cards, that are power by a Raspberry Pi or Arduino, or equivalent, as a fix in certain cases?

    1. ecofeco Silver badge

      Re: Controller cards

      You're on to something there.

      Seriously. Damn good idea.

      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: Controller cards

        Yes, we're already seeing "custom chip"[*] plug-in replacements made from Pi Zeros in the retro computing world so a step up to replacing controller modules sounds eminently doable.

        * and more complex replacements such as the PiStorm as well as direct plug-in compatibles such as SID and VICII chips emulated in microcontrollers in 40 -dip packages.

    2. that one in the corner Silver badge

      Re: Controller cards

      Not just outright failure, like letting out the magic smoke, but being deliberately obsoleted by shutting down servers. The things could obviously still work from local resources - the servers aren't directly controlling motors - but no.

      For example, Cricut cutters: carefully made to only function whilst a server is still running somewhere in the US. Answer: cut out the controller board, solder in a Teensy microcontroller and keep on using the 100% functional electromechanical parts.

  4. The Onymous Coward

    90s classic cars

    We're already seeing owners replacing circuit boards in modern (ish) classic cars with an Arduino or similar.

    Ferrari HVAC control systems being one example where a replacement board that has sat on a shelf for thirty years costs five figures and will probably demonstrate the same failure mode within a few short years.

    1. ShipyardTechWork

      Re: 90s classic cars

      Well that goes for just about any Ferrari/Lamborghini/McLaren part. They're ment to be insanely expensive. For some reason that's part of the appeal

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Here's a great example - we just bought a Samsung tumble drier in January. In June it threw an error and stopped working. It looks like a fuse somewhere. The part is listed online as costing $4 but I'm not about to take apart my still under warranty appliance. Samsung tried and failed for three weeks to find a technician to come and install the replacement part. They've now agreed to replace the entire unit - presumably because delivery and removal are easier to schedule than repairs. Not that I live in one of the most densely populated parts of the NE US - not in a rural area where there are no repair techs.

    So now a 5 month old household appliance will be discarded because the manufacturer doesn't have anyone to replace a simple internal fuse.

    1. ecofeco Silver badge
      FAIL

      They can't find a tech because field tech repair is now outsourced to other companies, who in turn, outsource to indie techs and pay them shit.

      Source: been there, done that. Like Uber or Door Dash or lyft. Field tech has been doing it for just as long.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Here's a great example - we just bought a Samsung tumble drier in January. In June it threw an error and stopped working....So now a 5 month old household appliance will be discarded because the manufacturer doesn't have anyone to replace a simple internal fuse.

      That's normal for Samsung. When their appliances work they're excellent in my experience, but the whole spares and repairs thing is something the company don't have a clue about. Our household vacuum cleaner is a cordless Samsung, about four years old, and you can't buy (at any price) Samsung replacement batteries, and original Samsung micro-filters have extremely patchy availability with supply droughts lasting months. I do have regular access to a Dyson as a comparison, the Samsung Jet series is so much better on every level but sadly I won't be buying any domestic appliance from Samsung in future simply because of the company's "couldn't care less" attitude to spares.

      1. Persona Silver badge

        Not always possible

        I've worked on units where components have become obsolete and replaced by a newer different component or were on limited production runs and can no longer be sourced. We have then scrambled to revise the design to use new components before supplies of the old ones dried up. This can easily lead to virtually no parts being available to repair that revision, so through no real fault of ours the only way to repair would be a complete replacement.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Not always possible

          so through no real fault of ours

          No, entirely through your company's fault. Any company designing equipment of any moderate cost and service life needs to think ahead and avoid reliance on third parties who can stop production of critical components on a whim. Most (not all) car makers have incredible spares availability* across the car's reasonable life time. Back in the day I was very tangentially involved in Ford's spare parts operations, and they well understood that it wasn't feasible to rely on third parties goodwill, or to keep production capacity for low and declining spares volumes. Whenever production of a part was going to be stopped, they'd make a very evidence based estimate of the future needs against expected product life, and a final order would be put through for an "ATR" volume, meaning all time requirement. That ATR would then be despatched into the huge warehousing and logistics operation, to either be pulled at need or sit gathering dust for the rest of time.

          Increasingly makers are throwing their hands up and sobbing "we can't get the same electronics parts any more", but that's just laziness, tightfistedness and lack of foresight.

          * Feel free to insert your own car parts sob story here, it doesn't alter my general point.

    3. Paul Hovnanian Silver badge

      Example: 20 some odd year old Asko dishwasher. Drain pump started to leak (still pumped but puddles on the floor). The "we have parts for everything" dealers no longer even had manuals or replacement parts lists for that model. I asked a few repair places if there was a generic pump solution. After all, its just a 5 gallon per minute, low head pump. All the repair places retreated in horror at the thought of using a non spec part (probably due to liability).

      I happened to be walking through the local big box hardware store and spied a fountain pump. 5 GPM, 10 foot head. A couple of hose fittings and I stuffed it under the dishwasher. Works great. The advantage of this pump is that it has a sealed rotor and pump impeller. No exposed rotating shafts to leak at a seal. And its designed to open up easily for cleaning.

  6. Tron Silver badge

    Easy to comply.

    So few people actually do this, that you could give them an e-mail address and send the parts they want to them for free, at less cost than any major change in manufacturing.

  7. ecofeco Silver badge
    Facepalm

    But what the churn?

    Won't someone please think of the poor, poor corporations stock prices that will wither without endless churn?

    Planned obsolescence is your friend! It creates jobs! Never mind the landfills and global warming, we need new yachts, er, you need the latest precious!

    /s in case not obvious.

    1. Paul Hovnanian Silver badge

      Re: But what the churn?

      "Planned obsolescence is your friend!"

      Yep. And breaking windows supports glass repair shops and stimulate the economy.

      Seattle should welcome the Anarchists in with open arms. Look at all the good they do.

  8. IGotOut Silver badge
    Go

    Philips

    Not sure if the has been on here but check out Philips' attitude, it's not much, but they should start being in the top of everyone's list.

    https://manufactur3dmag.com/philips-3d-printed-spare-parts-fixables/

    1. Jan 0

      Re: Philips

      it seems like a very limited start.

      It could put them at the top, but I'm not holding my breath.

      I will take a look when I need to replace one of my Dysons.

  9. Loudon D'Arcy

    Bosch want their dishwashers to connect to the cloud

    "The worst scoring products were dishwashers (Beko, Bosch, Frigidaire, GE, and LG)..."

    Jeff Geerling has just released a video explaining how his brand new Bosch dishwasher won't work unless he creates a user account on Bosch's website, so that the dishwasher can be connected to the cloud...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAsgjKBkKMA [4 min, 9 sec]

    1. Excused Boots Silver badge

      Re: Bosch want their dishwashers to connect to the cloud

      So presumably the best option here to to return the dishwasher to the supplier on the grounds that it doesn’t work, claim you don’t have an internet connection, because, err, well WiFi causes cancer, or permanent erections or uncontrolled growth of a third arm. The supplier gets enough returns, which they have to bear to cost of, they might well not bother to sell Bosch equipment again.

      Or, if you like the device in question, then spin up one of those disposable email addresses, create a user account with completely fake, made up details, and then see what happens if you block outbound connections from the device.

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