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In September, Microsoft will retire default outbound access for VMs in Azure. "It's not quite a Y2K moment," says Aviatrix CPO Chris McHenry, "but things will break." Deploying applications in the cloud usually requires some form of internet access. Sure, a company might create an Azure Virtual Network (vnet) to roll out their …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    This will shake out a few of the chancers ...

    you know, those people whose "expertise" is point and click.

    1. Snowy Silver badge
      Joke

      Re: This will shake out a few of the chancers ...

      More like point and nick!

    2. powerhead

      Re: This will shake out a few of the chancers ...

      If only that were true - I worked as outsourced AzNet EU support for past 1.5 years and the amount of CSPs who failed so much as read through the notification, not to mention the links in it was staggering to the point that sheer amount of bull I've had to deal with makes me think clickers will just graduate to the noble job of creating as many SRs as they can and wanting support to design the entire networking scheme (cause why bother thinking for yourself when you can bother someone else). Funnily enough smaller companies with internal IT somehow managed to sort their crap out fairly easily in my experience even if the questions were basic or people had little to no expertise - it's the large enterprises that rely on chancers and people with resumes written by ChatGPT and I doubt that will change. Cannon fodder might be detrimental to a lot of aspects of how corpos work, but for them it's just better business to employ fodder than invest in full times or, god forbid, educating someone with little experience but who actually is able to learn on the job and could stay with the company for a couple of years to handle tasks properly.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: This will shake out a few of the chancers ...

      'you know, those people whose "expertise" is point and click.'

      We know who the chancers are, they all get given cards when they pass the Microsoft exams.

    4. teknopaul

      Re: This will shake out a few of the chancers ...

      All PCs and phones come with outbound Internet working a d the world keeps on spinning.

      Cloud operators blocking the cloud access by default seems preset nuts.

      Obviously people will have to enable it in everything that uses an Api of any sorts.

      "Don't break userland"

      They could ask and announce it over one year for example.

      Secbods consider access denied to be fully functioning security.

      Businesses consider sales and operating to be their security.

  2. WolfFan Silver badge

    Doomed

    They're all doomed, I say. The admins will be doomed because the devs will have been Happy Clickers(tm) and will have Just Clicked Here and not paid any attention to what and where they were clicking. (Because devs are ALWAYS Happy Clickers. Without exception.) The admins will have to slog through lots and lots and lots of settings and actually set security properly; the devs will scream because stuff no longer Just Works, the users will scream because nothing works anymore, management will scream because the devs and users will be screaming at management. The admins will get stuff working, with real security, given time (a week, two weeks, a month, longer, longer still.)

    The devs and users will be doomed because the admins will kill them to get some peace and quiet while they fix the problems. Management will be doomed because now nothing will get done.

    All doomed.

    Popcorn time.

    1. Brad Ackerman

      Re: Doomed

      Azure Virtual Network Manager is the solution for giving developers a subscription with owner permissions; it applies security rules at the management group level (one above subscription and they're nestable). Set that up and nothing they do will permit their RDP endpoint to accept traffic from the internet.

      (I work for Team Blue, but they're not paying me nearly enough to comment for work.)

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Doomed

      On the other hand, if you have been running Azure with its avoid-security defaults (to make it Windows compatible?) you deserve all the trouble coming your way.

      A VERY large portion of exposures comes from unsecured defaults, so I'm glad Microsoft finally does something about that, it has only taken, what?

      Years? Decades?

  3. ecofeco Silver badge
    FAIL

    YO! We heard you like Rube Goldberg!

    So we added more Rube Goldberg to your Rube Goldberg!

    1. ecofeco Silver badge
      Facepalm

      Re: YO! We heard you like Rube Goldberg!

      6 people who have never heard of Rube Goldberg?

      No wonder everything is becoming enshitified.

      1. Fading

        Re: YO! We heard you like Rube Goldberg!

        I had also never heard of Rube Goldberg (though I am not one of your downvoters - I save my downvotes for special occasions). Pretty sure I did recognise some of the cartoons though. I have now educated myself.

  4. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    "things will break"

    Um, sorry, but it's Borkzilla.

    Things always break - even when they're not supposed to

    1. Henry 8

      Re: "things will break"

      "Things always break - even especially when they're not supposed to". FTFY

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Frigging great. LIke I didn't have enough stuff to do already instead of deal with some more nerd shit. If I didn't connect it to a VPN I didn't want to connect it to a VPN.

    1. Jimmy2Cows Silver badge

      Re: more nerd shit

      And so you're here on El Reg because...? This is literally a site about nerd shit.

  6. Tron Silver badge

    The future of technology in a nutshell.

    "So they're making this global change, and they're saying things are gonna break, like, you have to do something, and the only options you have are to add cost."

    1. Jimmy2Cows Silver badge

      Re: The future of technology in a nutshell.

      Isn't this MS current business model? We break stuff at random, you pay us more for the privilege of continuing to use us.

  7. HMcG

    > developers don't typically understand networking

    This isn’t about developers not understanding networking, it’s about Microsoft not understanding security.

    Having the default set to allowing access was never a good idea, it should always have been an opt-in not opt-out. But Microsoft have always favoured short-term convenience over security. This is, after all, a company that is still having to patch dozens of security holes in their OS every month.

  8. big_D Silver badge

    Security is always good...

    It is incredible the number of open and freely accessible cloud servers, with PII data and who knows what, which can be accessed by anyone. So making the default more secure and making those setting up the servers actually think about what they are doing for a second is sensible, even if it is going cause some devs to actually have to know what they are trying to accomplish.

    I've said for over 25 years now, all new systems should default to secure and you should have to explicitly weaken the configuration to the point you need and is acceptable for your security posture. Defaulting to wide-open and hoping the person configuring the system even has a clue what security is, is totally the wrong way to go about these things, especially if these things are on the Internet in the first place.

    A new server or database set up on premises, behind the firewall that defaults to an insecure default state is bad, but at least you usually have time to deal with the settings, before it goes on line. When it is an Internet facing server, it verges on the criminal to default it to an insecure state.

    Yes, it means that those setting up these services need to know what they are doing, but, so, what? You can't drive a car until you have learnt to drive, either.

    1. stiine Silver badge
      Facepalm

      Re: Security is always good...

      All that's required to drive a car is the keys.

      Anyone who grew up on a farm learned to drive as soon as they could reach the pedals.

      1. big_D Silver badge

        Re: Security is always good...

        Key word there, learned... I learnt sitting on my fathers lap, driving his car when I was 8 or so, driving up the 2 mile long private road to the farm where my uncle worked.

        But, I learnt to drive, my dad didn't just give me the keys, I had to learn how the steering worked and later, how the pedals worked and how to shift gear. I was taught cadence braking, how to handle a slide etc. long before I was old enough to drive on the road and take my test.

        1. unaware

          Re: Security is always good...

          My first driving lessons I was put in the driver seat with cars left and right on a busy, very small road. I never drove anything else than a bicycle. The instructor gave me 2 minutes instruction how the three pedals and gear worked. Within 50 meters I knew how to drive, the non,-automatic car... Just don't hit anyone...

          That besides, windows 12 be a free install but internet access will only be enabled to windows.com to install and activate for outbound security reasons. Beyond that you need to buy the additional internet bundle from Microsoft store for US$ 100 per month....

  9. powerhead

    "There is, of course, a fourth response to the change, which comes from organizations with mature architectures and a good handle on their network security. They might not be affected at all."

    To be perfectly honest, in my experience (1.5y as outsourced AzNet support), that's maybe around 15 percent of MS customers at best. Typically with internal staff rather than underpaid outsourced "techs" who can't so much as put in correct IP in the local network gateway field when setting up VPN (back when the cases were easier on the desk, this was the majority of VPN issues reported, not joking). Way too many people were using default outbound with NSGs and maybe NVA/AzFW on top of that to secure the environ. And no amount of reasoning with them when troubleshooting default outbound access could make them reconsider even if it'd save them issues in the long run.

    I pity my ex-colleagues who remain with the company I worked for, come deadline, there is going to be a massive flood of shite coming their way - as usual any time there is any change on MS part. You'd think that with reminders having been sent out from iirc mid-2024, there would be at least some awareness of the shift, but I've seen couple of those events and I have scars to prove how insipid the customers can be once the change is live.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    'because developers don't typically understand networking'

    Since when is that normal?

    Entry level IT/CS, first year course, at a minimum sees TCP/IP, sockets and the 7(ish) layer cake, no?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      You must have lived an extremely sheltered life if you think devs understand anything about networking.

  11. JessicaRabbit

    Have things changed in AWS recently? Last I checked the default security groups allowed all outbound access.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    On developers...

    ,So to make that easy for developers - because developers don't typically understand networking - Azure's model has been if you deploy an app, by default, it has internet access," says McHenry, "You don't have to do anything.".

    Ah, yes, the bane of my existence since 1988, with no signs of improvement expected.

  13. spireite

    In more than a good portion of corporates I've worked in who use Azure, it astonishes me how many leave the config to devs. It isn't always that devs don't know what they are doing, many do, many do not.

    They don't want to go granular, they want the path of least resistance.

    I've witnessed storage accounts that are fully open, storage accounts that are locked, but have all client data in them, then a client is given access - allowing that client to see all competing client data.

    The mind is now over-boggled.

    I often know more about upcoming changes like these than the CSPs we pay shedloads to. I probably am not alone in that regard.

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