back to article America and Britain gear up with Project Flytrap to bring anti-drone kit to the battlefield

The US Army, alongside British and other NATO partners, is testing the latest counter-drone kit at a training area in Germany. Early feedback is promising, even if most of the hardware isn't American-made. Project Flytrap, a counter-unmanned aerial system (C-UAS) exercise led by the US and UK, is conducting trials of systems …

  1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    There's nothing like war to advance technology

    And there is no tech that hasn't been at least tested to see how it can be used on the battlefield.

    Ever since the first pre-hominid who picked up a branch and found that he could use it to club an opponent, we humans have nearly always found a way to use new tech to help us kill or defend (which is just killing preventively) more efficiently.

    Is that what defines intelligence ?

    1. BartyFartsLast Silver badge

      Re: There's nothing like war to advance technology

      If it is what defines intelligence we are in for a rough time as the bros advance Artificial Idiocy

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: There's nothing like war to advance technology

      I guess "super-intelligence" would be not having the war in the first place.

      1. SundogUK Silver badge

        Re: There's nothing like war to advance technology

        We're human. There's going to be war.

      2. UnknownUnknown Silver badge

        Re: There's nothing like war to advance technology

        So eliminate mankind as the least worst outcome calculable ….. as per much Sci-Fi covering and concurring on this from Dune, through Star Trek:TNG/Picard to Foundation and Terminator.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      A day late & a dollar short

      How Old-School Tech Is Rewiring Drone Warfare in Ukraine

      https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/ukraine-russia-drones-fiber-optic-cable-6c96a9f1?st=w8yhBE&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

      Fiber-Optic Drones: the Anti-Jamming Weapon Changing Ukraine Warfare

      https://www.wsj.com/video/fiber-optic-drones-the-anti-jamming-weapon-changing-ukraine-warfare/55649DF9-0EF7-46D5-AA51-EB5190B7CD2B?mod=Searchresults_pos1&page=1

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    the joys of youth and inexperience...

    Youngsters. Don't they know that if you start jamming drones, that they're going to be programmed to home in on the jammers themselves?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: the joys of youth and inexperience...

      I suspect the answer to that question is fairly Darwinistic..

    2. Jellied Eel Silver badge

      Re: Rock, Paper, Quad M134!

      Youngsters. Don't they know that if you start jamming drones, that they're going to be programmed to home in on the jammers themselves?

      But warfare, and especially modern warfare has always had a nasty habit of ensuring that youngsters never grow old. Anyway-

      Upon detection, troops can activate Pitbull, a man-portable radio frequency jammer that disrupts control and video links out to roughly 1,000 m (0.6 miles).

      I may have a solution that could be more effective! Or just fun!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLcwZ4p2pIU

      Also like others have mentioned.. If youngsters did clay or rough shooting, they wouldn't need foncy and potentially fragile sights to know how to lead a target. One of those interesting bits of history, like in WW2 when poachers turned gamekeepers and started doing sneaky stuff. Our video game generation and anti-firearms lobbying doesn't really help teach youngsters any fieldcraft.

      1. I could be a dog really Silver badge
        Mushroom

        Re: Rock, Paper, Quad M134!

        I may have a solution that could be more effective! Or just fun!

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLcwZ4p2pIU

        Hmm, I had a go at clay shooting once - it wasn't anything like that

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Revenue

    The defence companies are going to have to change their models from expensive human carrying platforms to low cost prolific & portable systems. That's going to shake things up. Drones today but I bet cheap short range missile technology isn't far away. A lot of money is paid for the military version of things but Ukraine has shown that cheap, commerical can work well. It's a bit like the pets vs cattle concept in IT.

    1. Spunbearing

      Re: Revenue

      Layered defense using a number of systems. Right now, Lasers are getting a lot of attention.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Shotgunning

    Maybe every squad should have a couple of expert clay pigeon shooters?

  5. Grunchy Silver badge

    Nothing to it

    Shooting a drone is basically skeet shooting, which is not much removed from playing asteroids.

    Code bullet beat asteroids quite a few years ago, I dunno what would be difficult about teaching a robot to shoot drones.

    Shrug!

    https://youtu.be/1o4naC4P8-M

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Nothing to it

      The advantage of Asteroids is they move relatively slowly. In my experience hitting a fast moving clay in 3d space, with wind and differing light is whole lot harder. But that could be me, some people I notice are very good at it.

    2. James Hughes 1

      Re: Nothing to it

      Go watch a drone race, and then say it's just clay shooting. Drones go MUCH faster than clays and swerve around just like clays don't.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Nothing to it

        Very true but I'm told clays move at 80 mph and a close crossing one has quite an angular rate of change. And the mini-ones (skeets?) sheesh I can hardly see them against a tree line. The footage I've seen shows them straightening up a few seconds before impact but maybe human guided. I guess if machine guided they could jink all the way in. Some of the big ones look as if mainly straight for a long time at the end but probably need more than a shotgun to stop them.

  6. ChrisElvidge Silver badge

    I thought the latest in drone technology was fly-by-wire to remove the threat from drone jammers.

    1. EvilDrSmith Silver badge

      A lot of the FPV drones are, but drones trailing wires brings their own challenges for the drone operators, so if everyone abandoned jammers, there would probably be a swing back towards using radio control.

      The jammers may also have some effectiveness against the bigger/heavier /longer ranged and higher-flying drones that provide surveillance (if they can reach out to 1km, presumably they can reach up that far, too), as well as the expendable attack drones.

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