back to article Uncle Sam seeks time in tower dump data grab case after judge calls it 'unconstitutional'

The United States is requesting [PDF] a month-long extension to the deadline for its final decision regarding an appeal against a judge's ruling that obtaining tower dumps is unconstitutional. The tower dumps requested in this case could reveal the details of thousands of users' devices... The term "tower dump" refers to …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Other dumps

    Not to be confused with a Trump dump, in which way too much information is divulged on antisocial media.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Other dumps

      .. or handed out after dinner at Mar-a-Lago from its *cough* "secure" *cough* storage..

  2. Ace2 Silver badge

    “Good faith exception.” Like there’s any remaining reason to assume good faith on the part of US law enforcement.

    1. JHD

      This is just another example of the "drug dealer exception" to the US constitution, as tortured by the Supreme Court.

  3. DS999 Silver badge

    If these sort of fishing expeditions

    Became normalized, criminals would start leaving phones at home - because if the prosecutors want to claim to a jury that evidence someone's phone is in the vicinity at the time a crime occurs is evidence they were involved in the crime, then defendants would have the same right to claim to a jury that evidence their phone is NOT in the vicinity at the time a crime occurs is evidence they were NOT involved!

    This should never be used to gather a list of suspects. It should only be used as potential further proof that someone who was already a suspect was at the location at the time. They don't need tower dragnets for that, they merely need confirmation of the location of individual phones.

    What's next, doing tower dragnets even when they know who was involved because they're hoping to find potential witnesses they can force to testify?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: If these sort of fishing expeditions

      No, not witnesses. Accomplices. Did you leave a spotter in the getaway car to assist the driver?

  4. CorwinX Bronze badge

    This is why such rules are necessary

    In any country.

    Yes, you may have caught a bad guy, but in doing so you've violated the right to privacy of hundreds of innocent people.

    Everyone in the vicinity automatically becomes a suspect because they passed by the tower.

    There's a desperate need for the law around search and seizure without a warrant to include cell phone records. It's there, as this case shows, but not strong enough right now.

    Cell phone records should be treated along the same lines as bank records, given their importance in life these days.

    If the police asked a bank to divulge the name, account details and bank statements of everyone who visited a bank on a particular day...

    1. Wang Cores

      Re: This is why such rules are necessary

      The beauty of the US system is that there are no innocents, just those who haven't been caught.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: This is why such rules are necessary

        I struggle to see the 'beauty' in that, tbh, so I'm assuming dark sarcasm..

        1. Wang Cores

          Re: This is why such rules are necessary

          It's very sarcastic. Instead of being ashamed we gave the Chinese the model of social monitoring in "credit scores," we go: "hey we'll have that too!"

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: This is why such rules are necessary

        The enduring beauty of the US system is it will let a guilty criminal go free simply because someone forgot to tick a checkbox.

        1. retiredFool

          Re: This is why such rules are necessary

          Another "feature" is paying off/being friends with a prez who simply pardons you. Also works in state cases, substitute governor for prez.

  5. drankinatty

    What are the odds of an appeal?

    Government will be spoiling to appeal to attempt to create a split between the 5th and 9th circuits teeing the case up for the high-nine. We can presumably guess that the it will be a sad day for the 4th amendment with the current makeup of the court. Sad.

  6. CA Dave

    If you have the device(s)...

    ...of the particular suspect(s) in question, isn't that the definitive way that investigations are done? Such as seeing where a particular phone number last pinged when authorities attempt to trace a call? Doing these fishing expeditions is even worse of a Constitutional violation than what Trump has already done.

    It's maddening that the scum who was elected president while being overwhelmingly convicted of crimes himself is allowed to "chase after criminals" and accuse them of being actors of a foreign state. He's been abusing the Constitution while putting his tiny thumb on the scales of justice. The level of collateral damage that he demands with these dumps would even be viewed as unacceptable in a military operation. You can't have a 99% rate of collateral damage, otherwise you end up becoming Putin's Russia.

  7. PB90210 Silver badge

    "we need another month... we haven't finished mining every last drop of info from it"

  8. Paul Hovnanian Silver badge

    Tower Dumps?

    American here. Thank goodness we don't have towers like you folks do. I don't fancy getting dumped in that one.

  9. ecofeco Silver badge

    Well I'm surprised

    That the 4th Amendment is being upheld at all these days is quite shocking.

    Oh wait, it was to shield corporations. Never mind. Carry on.

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