back to article UK reheats Edinburgh supercomputer plan sans exascale chops

The UK government has disclosed plans for the country's most powerful supercomputer to be built in Edinburgh – less than a year after cancelling an identical plan. As part of the Spending Review by Britain's finance minister, Chancellor of the Exchequer Rachel Reeves, the government says it will find up to £750 million (just …

  1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    Just make it a bit less super.

  2. elsergiovolador Silver badge

    Delusion

    We don't design the chips. We don't build the systems. We barely understand them. But we do know how to announce things. That, we’ve mastered.

    Instead of being a superpower in AI, we’re a superconsumer - buying our relevance from other countries while calling it "innovation." The only thing we manufacture at scale is press releases.

    Meanwhile, skilled engineers are priced out, overtaxed, or replaced by imported labour to cut costs for big corporations. The state pretends to support science, but in reality it can’t even support a functioning IT department. Let alone an ecosystem.

    A billion here, a billion there - but no one can explain where the money actually goes, what we're buying, who it's for, or why it was cancelled in the first place. Just more motion without progress.

    Call it what it is: a procurement announcement with delusions of sovereignty.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Delusion

      @elsergiovolador

      Yup......right in line with the regular (and accelerating) announcements from SW1 that "We are doing something".

      Except:

      - Our aircraft carriers suffer from propellors falling off

      - Our type 45 Destroyers are "dead in the water" from defective cooling systems

      - Our rivers are full of sewage

      - Our (former) policies get changed on the first of every month (see supercomputers, winter heating, etc, etc)

      ....it's only the 12th of June.......the 1st of July is only a few days away!

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Delusion

        "Our aircraft carriers suffer from propellors falling off"

        Considering they still have no aircraft, it's no big deal if the propellors on those white elephants have a habit of falling off.

    2. Korev Silver badge
      Boffin

      Re: Delusion

      > We don't design the chips.

      ARM would like a word

      Other than that I agree with your post

  3. Michael Strorm Silver badge

    Lovely thumbnail of Edinburgh Castle beside the front page link, I'm sure. But that has nothing to do with the University of Edinburgh- i.e. where the computer will be built- any more than a picture of the Tower of London would have anything to do with University College London if they'd chosen to build it there.

  4. ChrisElvidge Silver badge

    Why Edinburgh?

    Gift to the new Scottish government after independence.

    Manchester was the centre for excellence when ICL was a thing.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: Why Edinburgh?

      An American company buys NVidia chips from Taiwan and assembles them into Taiwanese servers - it obviously has to go to Edinburgh

    2. R Soul Silver badge

      Re: Why Edinburgh?

      ICL was a thing? When? How? WTF?

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: Why Edinburgh?

        Manchester was the centre for excellence when the Mark 1 was a thing.

        1. HuBo Silver badge
          Windows

          Re: Why Edinburgh?

          TNP had a very nice piece on the need to upgrade ARCHER last year (when the funding was paused). It also summarized some aspects of contemporary UK supercomputing where (iiuc) Bristol gets the Isambards (#11 in Top500), Edinburgh (birthplace of Edinburgh Prolog) gets the Archers (#79), and Cambridge (birthplace of ARM) gets the Dawns (#82) ... worth a gander!

          Also, I guess Glascow (birthplace of the Glascow Haskell Compiler) is expected to use the Archers (both in Scotland) ...

          1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

            Re: Why Edinburgh?

            The machines are used by people from all over t'internet. Where you site them just needs a building, some power, a few Alsatians to stop any passing computer scientists trying to fiddle with the hardware

          2. Michael Strorm Silver badge

            [sic]

            > Also, I guess Glascow (birthplace of the Glascow Haskell Compiler) is expected to use the Archers (both in Scotland) ...

            I'm pretty sure that's *not* how you spell "Glass cow".

            1. HuBo Silver badge
              Pint

              Re: [sic]

              Yeah ... I ran out of g's after the first one ... twice (short supply!)!

    3. Michael Strorm Silver badge

      Re: Why Edinburgh?

      Why not?

      It's meant to be part of UK infrastructure, after all, not specifically England's (nor the rUK's).

      We keep getting told by unionist politicians that Scotland enjoys the claimed benefits of being a part of the United Kingdom. You're saying that it shouldn't?

      So long as Scotland remains a part of the UK, that's how it's supposed to work, unless and until either Scotland votes for independence *or* the majority of people in England and elsewhere vote to end the union.

      But if you want to make a fuss about it, it's not like Westminster had a problem locating the UK's nuclear subs up here, is it? I'm sure that had nothing to do with the fact that even a major retaliatory strike on them would be safely far from any significantly-populated regions of England.

      Since you want your share, what's the nearest site to Manchester that would be practical to move them to?

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: Why Edinburgh?

        >Since you want your share, what's the nearest site to Manchester that would be practical to move them to?

        We did have some docked overnight in Liverpool - but we haven't seen them since.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Exascale?

    Probably a good choice avoiding using exascale as a descriptor. It has been so abused over the years that it is really meaningless in this sort of context.

  6. BebopWeBop

    duuuuh

    sparking the usual accusations of betrayal from Scottish nationalist politicians

    If you knew anything about it, you would find that condemnation was across the board from Scottish politicians (bar the recent ones parachuted in by Labour - but they don't dount).

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