back to article European pols wave their hands about digital sovereignty with broad but vague plan

European leaders on Thursday announced an International Digital Strategy designed to help the bloc address technological change at a time of global political realignment. "We are living through a profound digital revolution that is reshaping economies and societies worldwide,” said Henna Virkkunen, Executive Vice-President for …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    An International Digital Strategy costs money

    A strategy to free the EU from USA clouds will take a lot of investments. That comes on top of increasing defense budgets (to 5% of GDP) and the costs of Climate change and the energy transition.

    And there seem to be even more policy interests that cost money. Together, digital sovereignty still seems too much a "nice to have".

    I don't think much will happen until the US becomes a worse problem than these other dangers.

    Can all these problems be solved? Because we all know politics cannot act.

    As counter example, I would like to point to the spring of 2020. There was this pandemic and within months the world changed course 180 degrees and everything was possible, including $T of economic changes.

    Also on a single country scale everything is possible if a real need arises. In spring 2022, Ukraine went from a perceived failed state to stopping the second strongest army in the world in a week.

    So, if necessary, it can be done. But when do we decide it is necessary?

    1. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge

      Re: An International Digital Strategy costs money

      So, if necessary, it can be done. But when do we decide it is necessary?

      And who will pay for it?

      (Yes, it's a silly question. We know the answer; "us")

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: An International Digital Strategy costs money

        There's usually a straightforward choice: pay now and start to get the value out of it or pay a lot more later to just get out of the emergency in which a lack of preparedness has dumped you.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: An International Digital Strategy costs money

        "Yes, it's a silly question. We know the answer; "us""

        Who else, it is our country, we benefit, so we should pay.

        We can try, like a certain Very Stable Genius, to let foreigners pay for it, say, the Americans, but that seems to work not so good.

        But we could tax, eg, companies and individuals who benefit from our economy by getting high profits and massive wealth. Taxing the wealthy is not as unethical as many think.

    2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: An International Digital Strategy costs money

      "I don't think much will happen until the US becomes a worse problem than these other dangers."

      It other words, until it's too late.

      Given the overall tone of international partners etc it sounds as if they're wanting to outsource things instead of the very obvious need to get on with things I think that's very likely to be the case.

  2. AVee
    Megaphone

    Nothingburger

    One Dutch developer called it a 'nothingburger'

    Make that two. If only because 'nothingburger' is such a good word.

  3. Dr Paul Taylor

    Far worse than this.

    I don't understand why you post as AC and haven't already got far more up-votes.

    Britain has been handing over its computing achievements ever since there were any computing machines, particularly in the time of Turing and then in the 1980s when Cambridge (I was there then) was the Wild West of personal computers.

    (Even though my EU citizenship has been stolen from me, I cannot think of the UK as being separate from the EU.)

    Now we are in the situation where (1) the NHS is handing over my personal health data to Thiel's Palantir --- a mate of the Orange one, (2) many universities and other organisation are handing over my email to M$, which frequently marks it as spam so doesn't delliver it and (3) we are all under relentless pressure to get "smart" phones owned by Google and Apple that spy on their users relentlessly.

    So, to pick up your analogies with Covid and Ukraine, (1) instead of lockdown we have "eat out to help out" to ensure that the virus has maximum opportunity to spread as widely as possible and (2) we have asked Путин хуйло to take care of all of our tanks and drones.

  4. codejunky Silver badge

    Shocktop

    "This appears to say nothing, and they publish this at a time when actually saying something real would be very welcome,"

    Thats is the EU though isnt it?

    1. ChodeMonkey Silver badge
      Black Helicopters

      Re: Shocktop

      Much like oneself, eh Madam? All this free time to write so much and yet say so little. Things that could be easily condensed into 3 bullet points:

      o "I don't like the EU."

      o "I adore President Trump."

      o "Fomenko's New Chronology seems plausible."

      1. codejunky Silver badge

        Re: Shocktop

        @ChodeMonkey

        "All this free time to write so much and yet say so little. Things that could be easily condensed into 3 bullet points:"

        You say I write so much and yet of your 3 points only the first is correct, the second is wrong and wtf is the third? I am surprised you have so much time to follow me around and troll so much.

        1. ChodeMonkey Silver badge
          Trollface

          Re: Shocktop

          The Lady doth protest too much, methinks.

    2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: Shocktop

      "Thats is the EU though isnt it?"

      That's the political class everywhere.

  5. harrys Bronze badge

    "plan is more aspirational than practical"

    that one statement says it all.... talking shop gravy train

    only neccessity breeds real change and that wont happen until....

    1) assett prices starts decreasing (hopefully gradually so things dont get too bad)

    2) banks are then forced to reassess their balance sheets and stop "printing digital fiat magic"

  6. ChrisElvidge Silver badge

    What I don't understand

    is that if Amazon/Microsoft/Alphabet/Oracle/Meta deem it worthwhile (i.e. profitable) to build datacentres in Europe, why can't the EU use the same economics to build EU owned datacentres? If they will make a profit for AMAOM, they will make a profit for the EU.

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: What I don't understand

      Not the EU as such, but businesses based within the EU.

    2. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: What I don't understand

      why can't the EU use the same economics to build EU owned datacentres?

      It's not the data centres, it's the cost of shipping all the data from Brussels to Strasbourg and back every month to keep the French happy.

  7. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    Tell me IT is not so whenever all evidence is proving it, makes Jack a very stupid boy

    If the gospel truth be told, rather than pussyfooting around the matter like a collection of useless and toothless fairies, would the story be told that a new remote and practically anonymous and relatively autonomous technocratic executive be in virtual command and control of future geopolitically disruptive, universally effective events with all earlier previous nationalised New World Order Players either consumed and forced to wage war and do losing battle against forces and sources way beyond any means of their influence and oppositional direction/alternative self-serving instruction or engage with and embrace the fundamental and radical change of Greater IntelAIgent Games Play with no stupid rules or leaderships for their regulation and bending/pwning.

  8. MrGreen

    All Talk

    The EU is only saying this for distraction.

    All of the bureaucrats own huge amounts of shares in US tech stocks.

    They’re not going to devalue their portfolio. Your tax will continue to go to companies that all profit from.

    The gravy train will continue.

    Keep paying those taxes.

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