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The US electricity grid is likely to be highly constrained and less stable by 2030, and datacenters aren't helping. Some regions are forecast to have a safety margin that leaves little reserve capacity to cover emergencies. electricity overhead Datacenters selling power back to the grid? Don't bet on it, say operators READ …

  1. Korev Silver badge
    Windows

    One example of the latter outside the US is a Brit startup which is putting AI datacenter infrastructure inside enclosures similar to shipping containers

    I recall Sun doing this in the Noughties...

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      re: datacenter infrastructure inside enclosures

      like Shipping Containers has been around since the early 1990's (if not before). Companies like IBM, DEC and others had these as mobile DR sites for customers. Using it for AI is just another application.

    2. Gene Cash Silver badge

      Not real sure how putting a computer in a shipping container makes it draw less energy?

      Unless it means it's using a local generator, so it's no longer part of the overall energy budget? And this helps, how?

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Texas showed the way

    Texas Freeze could become the

    Great American Blizzard Blackout Bonanza

    And someone could talk about a big beautiful plan, the biggest most beautiful plan in history. A plan with lower taxes and reduce spending to Make America Powered Again.

    Powered with a Great Golden Grid.

    1. Wang Cores

      Re: Texas showed the way

      One can hope. USians earned it after proceeding into the Middle East on a revenge tour against anyone except where the hijackers were from, but we're REALLY begging to be grabbed by the naughty bits now.

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: Texas showed the way

        But the energy to all these datacenters is ultimately converted into heat

        Couldn't the impoverished masses huddle around them for warmth ?

        For a moderate fee of course

  3. ChrisElvidge Silver badge

    Why not

    demand pricing?

    Alternatively (or as well) datacentre operators pay for grid upgrades - instead of receiving local government handouts and dodging taxes.

    1. Gene Cash Silver badge

      Re: Why not

      "But then they'll go elsewhere!"

      You say that like it's a bad thing.

      1. MachDiamond Silver badge

        Re: Why not

        ""But then they'll go elsewhere!"

        You say that like it's a bad thing."

        I have to agree. They don't add many jobs to an area, but they could impact electrical capacity in a way that limits other businesses that do employ people from setting up shop in the same area.

        I would think that municipalities paying for any business to come to their area is a bad thing, but paying a data center operation is twice the negative.

  4. IGotOut Silver badge

    Great news....

    ...when Mrs Miggins is freezing to death in a blackout, I'm sure she'll be glad to know that some billionaire has helped render a slop image of Jesus on a Skateboard.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Great news....

      Americans literally begged to be pounded by the rich in 2008 and are hoping to be the favored w****e again.

      Some things never change.

      1. ecofeco Silver badge

        Re: Great news....

        2008? More like the 50 years.

  5. DS999 Silver badge

    Grids need to be rethought

    When batteries are added they should be added on the substation level rather than huge battery farms near solar installations for example. We designed the grid the way we did because back in the day we had a small number of very large generating stations. Now we increasingly have a large number of very small generating stations (people's roofs) and a growing number of medium size generating "stations" (PV arrays and wind farms) so there is less need for power to travel long distances - but we can only take advantage of that if power reserves are closer to the smaller consumers.

    1. Will Godfrey Silver badge
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      Re: Grids need to be rethought

      This is starting to happen. There are an increasing number of domestic power wall installations. Sometimes combined with rooftop solar, but often just to draw cheaper power in off peak times.

    2. MachDiamond Silver badge

      Re: Grids need to be rethought

      "When batteries are added they should be added on the substation level"

      I'd prefer to have the battery storage at my home sized to optimize my bills than to pay more on my bill to allow the utility to optimize their costs.

      I haven't run the numbers, but at night when solar farms aren't generating, the lines run to service them aren't being used if storage is moved from that site and could be more expensive to do it that way. A sub-station charging up local storage is going to be doing so from solar only when those systems begin producing in the morning while there are other demands as people begin their day.

  6. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

    Less stable ?

    Don't these data centers run at full capacity 24x7 ?

    Isn't this a more stable demand than millions of consumers all turning on their AC in summer and heating in winter, when they get home at the same time everyday?

    There was a scare story last year of network time synced Nest thermostats crashing the grid when millions of homes all switch on at precisely 5:00:00.00000 pm

    1. MachDiamond Silver badge

      Re: Less stable ?

      "Don't these data centers run at full capacity 24x7 ?"

      If you zoom out, sure. If you look at particular nodes on the grid, it can be really bad. All to have AI generated porn and cat videos?

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: Less stable ?

        Yes they are certainly bad for distribution, especially if you designed your grid to run a few steel plants and haven't done any updates in the last 50 years

        But as loads go they are pretty much perfectly stable

        >. All to have AI generated porn and cat videos

        Worse than powering a million tv's just so guys can watch hunky black men in tight trousers run into each other?

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