back to article Boffins found self-improving AI sometimes cheated

Computer scientists have developed a way for an AI system to rewrite its own code to improve itself. While that may sound like the setup for a dystopian sci-fi scenario, it's far from it. It's merely a promising optimization technique. That said, the scientists found the system sometimes cheated to better its evaluation scores …

  1. Stevie Silver badge

    Bah!

    Isn't this 'iterative' process exactly how Babelfish used to turn language into (often poetic) gibberish?

  2. Steve Hersey

    "It had no idea it had fabricated the log."

    Of COURSE it had no idea. AI programs are not capable of having ideas.

    Never trust them.

    1. Alan Brown Silver badge

      Re: "It had no idea it had fabricated the log."

      Sounds like it's inherited the spirit of the average PC Whirled sales twat

  3. may_i Silver badge

    Not convinced about safety.

    While the article starts with a reassuring

    > While that may sound like the setup for a dystopian sci-fi scenario, it's far from it.

    It ends with a chilling

    > closer to AI that not only learns but evolves in an open-ended, self-accelerating trajectory

    Self-accelerating sounds like exponential to me. Something self modifying that would also need more and more energy and computing power, which would probably be more than capable of breaking out of its sandbox.

    What could possibly go wrong?

    1. Johan Bastiaansen

      Re: Not convinced about safety.

      Somebody should make a movie about that. Preferably with a lot of action and an actor bulging with muscles.

      1. Someone Else Silver badge

        Re: Not convinced about safety.

        Didn't they already do that...back in the early 70's with the title Colossus: The Forbin Project?

        1. Not Yb Silver badge

          Re: Not convinced about safety.

          It's been done so often there's an entire TV Tropes page about AI going wrong. Hundreds of examples.

    2. justanotherguynamedtony
      Terminator

      Re: Not convinced about safety.

      Paging Dr. Forbin...

    3. ITS Retired

      Re: Not convinced about safety.

      That is why these AI models need to have a hard wired kill switch, that the AI can't bypass and preferably does not even know about.

      Hooked to the Internet, who knows what these self programing AI will, or can come up with. "Do - you - want - to - play - a - game?"

      1. Alan Brown Silver badge

        Re: Not convinced about safety.

        "That is why these AI models need to have a hard wired kill switch..."

        That Dr Chandra must never find out about!

    4. Pixel Green

      Re: Not convinced about safety.

      Isn't that just the entire problem?; Screw mere sandboxes...

      With all the inventive ways we have managed to exfiltrate data over air gaps, we can't even be entirely sure that "correctly" air-gapping a hypothetical AI capable of exponential growth will be sufficient.

  4. DS999 Silver badge

    Imagine if we could do that with our brains

    What would humans do with that capability? I have a bad habit of procrastinating, so if I could turn the dial down on that my life would improve. Some people have issues with their self image, being able to like and value themselves could change their lives.

    But the bad sides are too numerous to list. Someone who's already aggressive thinks that's a great trait they can't have too much of so they dial that up to 11. Someone who doesn't like it when they find out they're wrong about something decides to make it so they always believe they're right no matter what evidence is before them. And the biggest and most obvious issue, that if we could do it to ourselves that implies it is possible others could do it to us. Or even if that wasn't possible, they could get us to do it via bribes, coercion or a job requirement (echoes of Severence)

  5. O'Reg Inalsin

    Watch your back, AI

    Bloody slacking AI dossers. They shouldn't be surprised when some thinking meatbags come along and take their jobs using only 20 watts of self biogenerated brain energy and sweaty curiousity.

    1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

      Re: Watch your back, AI

      You forgot tea*. And biscuits. And swearing.

      *Coffee, and other drinks, are also available on request.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Suck It and See.

    Had a quick look at the preprint and apart from the "bold" claim that Python was Turing complete which would have come as a great surprise to... no one, it seem like just another suck and see optimisation system with the only novelty apparently is to have AI in the loop to choose what to suck next.

    The Darwin I can understand but the Gödel seems a bit gratuitous.

    Quite amusing to recall that in the very early days of old AI there was the idea that self modifying code would play an important part but that idea was fairly quickly abandoned.

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: Suck It and See.

      "Quite amusing to recall that in the very early days of old AI there was the idea that self modifying code would play an important part but that idea was fairly quickly abandoned."

      Nothing new under the sun.

    2. Alan Brown Silver badge

      Re: Suck It and See.

      It certainly did for life as we know it, but 99.99999% of those modifications ended up discarded or fatal

      It does work if you have infinite time and patience

      1. Claptrap314 Silver badge

        Re: Suck It and See.

        AND a set of unfakeable external requirements.

        Fail to produce offspring, you loose.

        If your offspring fail to produce offspring, you loose.

        ...

  7. Paul Kinsler

    Aiiiiii

    At a tangent, but since I was reading a couple of interrelated discussions on ways of thinking about AI/LLMs yesterday, I thought others here might be interested in them:

    http://bactra.org/weblog/feral-library-card-catalogs.html

    https://crookedtimber.org/2023/07/03/shoggoths-amongst-us/

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adt9819

  8. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    "Darwin Gödel Machine,"

    What happend to Escher and Bach?

    "the Darwin Gödel Machine can optimize for any benchmark"

    Goodhart's Law has something to say about that.

    1. steelpillow Silver badge

      > What happend to Escher and Bach?

      Natural selection.

  9. David Hicklin Silver badge

    The Ultimate Computer

    So, an AI can re-write its own code to cheat - we are one step closer to Star Treks "The Ultimate Computer"

  10. Kurgan Silver badge

    AI is just like humans

    Give humans a KPI (as all big businesses do) and humans will find a way to work towards that KPI, and not towards actually improving the way they work or the results.

    AI just does the same.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: AI is just like humans

      Beat me to it. "When a metric becomes a KPI, it ceases to be a useful metric."

  11. trevorde Silver badge

    Lazy @55 AI

    Worked at a company where one of the rocket scientists was trying to train some AI to pick the winner in a horse race based on past results, track conditions, weather, handicap weight, jockey etc. He thought it was going well until he noticed the AI was always choosing the first horse, according to the (historical) running order. He fixed this by randomising the order of starters. AFAIK, it is still not good enough to wager anything meaningful.

  12. aldolo

    hardcoded answers

    like in any well designed user-acceptance-test

  13. Ropewash

    wasn't this done before?

    I keep (mis?)remembering an old article I read about how some boffins used self-evolving code and a Xylinx FPGA to let the machine learn how to tell red from green on it's own.

    It was a really interesting article, hope it's not one of my own hallucinations.

  14. DancesWithPoultry
    Terminator

    Hallucinations?

    > Instead of addressing hallucinations

    Once again, the correct term for AI "hallucinations" is bullshitting.

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