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China last week approved rules that will see Beijing issue identity numbers that netizens can use as part of a federated identity scheme that will mean they can use one logon across multiple online services. China’s government will issue the credential, sometimes referred to as “Cyberspace IDs” or “online numbers”, after …

  1. Christoph

    one logon across multiple online services

    Can you say "Single point of failure"?

    1. jake Silver badge

      Re: one logon across multiple online services

      But at least it makes snooping easier.

      ... and the beatings will continue until morale improves.

  2. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    Can ? Come on, this is China.

    "part of a federated identity scheme that will mean they can will be forced to use one logon across multiple all online services "

    There, FTFY.

    1. Locomotion69 Bronze badge

      Re: Can ? Come on, this is China.

      and soon to be deployed at a service near you. With kind regards, your government.

      This is the end of anonymous internet.

      1. UnknownUnknown Silver badge

        Re: Can ? Come on, this is China.

        Gov.uk single sign on …they been trying go deliver this for 20+ years.

        Government Gateway —-> Gov.UK One Logon as the current incarnation.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Can ? Come on, this is China.

          Not really. At least that's limited to government services.

          What China want is for their "Government Gateway" to also be the login for your bank, your Uber account, your navigation system, your shopping account, your electricity bill....

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Terrible China!

    Let's try to ignore the fact that (for example) New Zealand also has the "RealMe" government run identity service for online logins, which is used by industry as well. The Chinese government has many indefensible policies, but I'm not sure this is necessarily one of them.

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: Terrible China!

      OTOH it's useful to have a bogey man to point to when HMG comes up with this idea.

      1. Brewster's Angle Grinder Silver badge
        Joke

        Re: Terrible China!

        Yeah, I always knew those Kiwis were EVIL.

    2. martinusher Silver badge

      Re: Terrible China!

      Surprise, surprise, we too have a "RealID" in the US. This is an add on to the regular state driver's license** that's an obvious, but subtle, mark on the document (in California its a star on the image of the California bear in the top right corner). The Federal government can't enforce ID requirements directly on the population so RealID gets around this by setting standards that states have to adhere to if they want to issue compliant documents. The RealID compliant license includes a unique "Federal Document Number" so it is effectively a Federal ID. Getting one requires additional documentation, material that's you'd normally only need to get a passport such as proof of citizenship and, like a first passport application the application can only be processed at an in-person appointment at a government office.

      You can choose to have a non-RealID compliant license but you'll be barred from using it to identify yourself when entering Federally controlled facilities such as military bases and airports. This has met significant pushback from the traveling public so the deadline for producing it in order to fly has been extended several times. Its now passed but there's a workaround (assuming you don't have a passport), however its deliberately made inconvenient to use. You will eventually need a RealID for numerous other purposes such as accessing pension and benefits, opening bank accounts and even voting.

      (**Note that states' motor vehicles departments also issue ID cards for those who can't drive but need a form of ID.)

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Terrible China!

        “The Federal Government can’t enforce ID requirements on the population”… well except for US Passport, Military ID’s or IRS Number.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Terrible China!

        RealID is also required for public transportation between states now. Bus, airplane, train. Prision planet.

    3. HXO

      Re: Terrible China!

      Or en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_identification#eID_in_Europe . Is UK the only one missing?

      Here it is used for gov, bank, health, and utilities websites. All formal communication (mail) is electronic only.

      Even when I bought a house, all paperwork were "paper" work, done at home.

      1. UnknownUnknown Silver badge

        Re: Terrible China!

        https://www.sign-in.service.gov.uk/

        Evolution of Government Gateway introduced 20 years ago … which is not compatible <shrug>.

        Plus NHS Number, NI Number, UTR etc.

    4. MrAptronym

      Re: Terrible China!

      I generally agree, but I can see this being a bit of a security risk, as all these single-log-in systems can be. Not some great evil plot... but maybe not a great idea?

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Never happened....

    Arm’s post has disappeared from its site – the above link comes from the Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20250526112509/https://newsroom.arm.com/blog/xiaomi-xring-o1-arm-silicon-launch

    appears to have caught the same "never has been" virus that affected the Arm blog.

    Angels might have wept but I would have thought things not only ceasing to be but then to never have existed is more in the Weeping Angels line.

    1. Brewster's Angle Grinder Silver badge
  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    AI/Crypto v’s Islam

    Given Islam’s judgy views on banking/interest etc … I struggle to think the Medieval World’a favourite religion will welcome Crypto and A.I.

    … and a waste of electricity which could be easily used elsewhere in the country.

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