back to article FAA gives SpaceX the nod for Starship Flight 9 but doubles the danger zone

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has given SpaceX the go-ahead to launch Starship Flight 9, but has nearly doubled the size of the vehicle's Aircraft Hazard Area (AHA). SpaceX's Starship exploded during the two preceding flights, showering the Turks & Caicos Islands with debris and causing aircraft to be diverted. …

  1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

    Compensation?

    The FAA probably has to consider the possibility of future compensation claims if there is further damage or airlines feel unfairly affected by the hazard area. Note, this will only get worse if regulation gets lighter because the courts might decide to take it up.

    1. Spazturtle Silver badge

      Re: Compensation?

      Airlines fly through the hazard zone at their own risk, that is the point of the zone. The FAA is saying that this area of airspace might need to be closed with no notice on a given date, and that airlines take the risk of needing to divert if they fly though it and it gets activated.

      The alternative is for the FAA to just close the airspace.

      1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

        Re: Compensation?

        Right, but this is on busy routes and incurs costs for the airlines if they have to fly round what is a fairly busy area. As for the hazard area – those below can't go anywhere and it's not US airspace.

        1. Decay

          Re: Compensation?

          No it's not, no more than the western half of the Atlantic (Shanwick) is Irish airspace, but if you ignore the internationally agreed control of that airspace and crash your plane into another or fly into a high risk published area and bad things happen to you, you'd better have a good explanation ready :)

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanwick_Oceanic_Control

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Civil_Aviation_Organization

          NAV Canada controls the Eastern half of the Atlantic,

          A nice map of the internationally agreed flight information regions.

          https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/m3n84s/map_of_the_worlds_flight_information_regions_firs/#lightbox

        2. Oneman2Many Bronze badge

          Re: Compensation?

          Its not US airspace which is why SpaceX have had to work with Bahamas government with no doubt a substantial backhander.

      2. Richard 12 Silver badge

        Re: Compensation?

        No, they're saying that is is closed.

        An Aircraft Hazard Area is a "do not fly here". It means all flights are diverted.

        A "Contingency Hazard Area" is the may close.

    2. DS999 Silver badge

      Re: Compensation?

      this will only get worse if regulation gets lighter because the courts might decide to take it up

      Musk doesn't care, he can afford enough lawyers that anyone trying to sue over a piece of rocket falling on their house and killing grandma will go broke trying. If they're from another country he'll get Trump to threaten tariff increases unless their government puts pressure on them to drop the suit and accept a $1000 check and "sorry not sorry" fake apology.

      1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

        Re: Compensation?

        It was the compensation claims against PanAm that drove it to bankruptcy.

  2. DrGoon

    UK should probably get some Sky Sabres over to Grand Turk and insist on flight path changes.

    1. Oneman2Many Bronze badge

      UK might want to get something that is worth closing airspace for first. The last couple of attempts with Virgin Orbit and RFA didn't end so well.

    2. Jan 0
      Devil

      Re: UK should probably get some Sky Sabres over to Grand Turk and insist on flight path changes.

      Won't that just add to the debris falling on Grandma's house?

      Could they "accidentally" intercept the "Starship" while it's still over Florida?

  3. Gary Stewart Silver badge

    Danger Zone

    "Highway to the danger zone"

    "Ride into the danger zone"

    Hopefully it will go better this time. The last two complete failures of ship were more than a little concerning. At least the booster and catching the booster seems to be progressing well. When they first announced they were going to catch the booster I thought it was probably going to fail due to the complexity of the task. SpaceX has managed to far surpass my expectations. This bodes well for fixing ship's problems.

    1. Decay

      Re: Danger Zone

      Interestingly they are claiming the second failure, even though it was at roughly the same point in time in the flight, was from a different source.

      "The most probable root cause for the loss of Starship was identified as a hardware failure in one of the upper stage’s center Raptor engines that resulted in inadvertent propellant mixing and ignition."

      And

      "While the failure manifested at a similar point in the flight timeline as Starship’s seventh flight test, it is worth noting that the failures are distinctly different. The mitigations put in place after Starship’s seventh flight test to address harmonic response and flammability of the ship’s attic section worked as designed prior to the failure on Flight 8."

      https://www.spacex.com/updates/

  4. Sparkus

    Sounds like Max-Q

    happening as a higher speed and lower altitude than expected (or built for).

  5. Schultz

    "Hardware Failure"

    I am sure they did some thorough research to figure out the rocket was lost due to hardware failure. A diagnosis that is exhaustive, succinct, and to the point.

    So all they have to do now is to fix the hardware. It's rocket science, but how hard can it be?

    1. phuzz Silver badge
      Mushroom

      Re: "Hardware Failure"

      Rocket science is complex, but mostly straight-forward, it's the rocket engineering that's the tricky part.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Stay indoors folks

    This will be messy (again)

    1. Spherical Cow

      Re: Stay indoors folks

      You can't know that. SpaceX are pretty good at getting rockets into space, they do it more often than anyone else. At some point all the problems with this rocket will be fixed and it too will go to space, in fact previous versions of this rocket already have.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Stay indoors folks

        UPDATE

        May 28

        “The flight started smoothly, but Starship encountered some issues in orbit. The first-stage Super Heavy booster exploded shortly before its expected splashdown, and fuel leaks on the upper-stage vehicle caused it to spin uncontrollably before its planned re-entry through Earth's atmosphere.”

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Stay indoors folks

      AHA of 21,600 nm?

  7. Zolko Silver badge

    banana

    And all that to not even be able to put a single banana into orbit. I wonder when SpaceX engineers will tell Elon that its StarShip will never function as promised. And the US is supposed to land on the Moon in 2 years with that ?

    1. Oneman2Many Bronze badge

      Re: banana

      This flight isn't orbital either.

      If they manage to meet their objectives then its expected that IFT-10 could happen within weeks.

      1. Zolko Silver badge

        Re: banana

        I understand that. But what I don't understand is : how is the next starship supposed to reach orbit with the current settings ? If they're not reaching orbit with an empty payload, how on Earth are they going to get enough momentum to reach orbital velocity with 50t of payload ?

        1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
          Flame

          Re: banana

          Maybe when they make the attempt at actually trying into orbit they'll fill the ranks all the way up?

          1. Zolko Silver badge

            Re: banana

            And when will that happen : flight 42 ? The Soviets cancelled their N1 rocket after 4 failures ...

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