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Google has updated its sovereign cloud services, including an air-gapped solution for customers with strict data security and residency requirements, as customers grow uneasy over US digital dominance. The tech giant first detailed a sovereign cloud capability some years ago, partnering with T-Systems in Germany to offer this …

  1. JimmyPage Silver badge
    Mushroom

    Will anyone who believes this

    give me a shout. I have a few bridges for sale.

    1. mimi001

      Re: Will anyone who believes this

      Your post will be updated soon - be patient. You have 10 minutes after posting to make it better.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Will anyone who believes this

        Who knew the greatest motivator of privacy and data security would be an small-handed adolescent orangutan.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Will anyone who believes this

      And how does any of this affect what Google does when handed a NSL from the US, or it's equivalent like Apple.got.from the UK?

      1. seven of five Silver badge

        Re: Will anyone who believes this

        Well, we'd love to tell you, but...

        ..we currently can not confirm or deny we even got one of these letters.

        1. seven of five Silver badge

          Re: Will anyone who believes this

          ...confirm nor deny. Sorry.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Will anyone who believes this

            "...confirm nor deny. Sorry."

            'neither confirm nor deny.' Not sorry.

    3. TimMaher Silver badge
      Facepalm

      Re: Bridges

      What? Just some bloody bridges?

      Where are the tulip bulbs I asked for?

    4. Kevin McMurtrie Silver badge

      Re: Will anyone who believes this

      I've been looking to buy an expressway bridge over an airgap.

  2. CapeCarl

    "Pond gapped"?

    Hmmm Left side of the Pond says I can give you sovereign data center hosting on the Right side of the Pond...As a former C programmer (and American living in the Pond (OK 35 miles from the mainland on a spit of sand called "Cape Cod")) I can't really see how this "compiles".

  3. Mentat74
    Big Brother

    Doesn't matter...

    Where the servers are located since Google is an American company, US law applies worldwide...

    As for Google's partners... those may be US based too...

    1. elsergiovolador Silver badge

      Re: Doesn't matter...

      Like this?

      - I see your concerns. They are very valid and actually true *sliding brown envelope*, however...

      - *hides brown envelope* Sorry, what concerns?

      - Sorry, what?

      - Nothing. Where do we sign?

  4. ChrisElvidge Silver badge

    Yet another scam

    The only way data centres (cloud or otherwise) can be divorced from US rules is for them to be built and operated by European entities. Maybe the software stack could be "rented" from US suppliers but better would be totally open source - Linux or BSD OS etc.

  5. elsergiovolador Silver badge

    Coping

    This is just a coping mechanism.

    The US can grab any data they want if it is run by the US company.

  6. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    Read the fine print

    It would need:

    Data centres to be owned and managed by a franchisee company in the country or bloc to which services are to be provided.

    Owners and managers should be citizens of the same.

    The contract between the franchisee and Google (or Microsoft etc) should be subject to the law of the same and signed there.

    The contract should stipulate that the franchisor should have no access to data hosted by the franchisee or to the franchisee's customers

    The contract should stipulate that the franchisee is under no obligation to provide hosted data or information about its customers or to the franchisor

    The contract should stipulate that the franchisor does not have any authority to instruct the franchisee from providing services until the end of the franchise term.

    The contract should stipulate that the franchisee is under no obligation to stop providing services until the end of the contract.

    The contract should stipulate that the franchisor does not have any authority to instruct the franchisee to withhold services from any person or business who wishes to purchase services

    The contract should stipulate that the franchisee is under no obligation to instruct the franchisee to withhold services from any person or business who wishes to purchase services

    And probably more besides. It should be an operation completely hands off by anyone subject to US law. Arm's length would not be good enough.

    1. elsergiovolador Silver badge

      Re: Read the fine print

      by a franchisee company

      Already a no go.

      Owners and managers should be citizens of the same.

      Security cleared and their partners, if they have.

      Anyway, any tech should be in-house built and managed.

      Handing out contracts to foreign corporation is direct admission that country is failing - to foster companies capable of building datacentres and "cloud" infrastructure.

      Money that these corporations make as profit and shift offshore could train cohorts of homegrown engineers, help business grow etc.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Read the fine print

        " by a franchisee company

        Already a no go."

        Why is it a no go?

        Microsoft for example went down this route before (some time in the mid/late 2010s) in Germany where they contracted T-Systems (part of Deutsche Telekom) to run some Microsoft services (not Azure, I think it was O365 etc) in T-Systems Data Centres run by T-Systems staff where the contract stipulated that Microsoft had neither physical nor remote access to those DCs and the data stored in those DCs.

        Of course Microsoft did shutdown that particular arrangement after serveral years due to "lack of interest" from Germany companies.

        1. elsergiovolador Silver badge

          Re: Read the fine print

          This kind of setup is a deliberate legal fiction. A company offloads operations to a local partner, claims no access, and pretends it's no longer subject to foreign jurisdiction. But the intent is clear: sidestep legal obligations while continuing to sell foreign-origin services. Whether there's actual technical access is beside the point - the structure exists to provide legal cover, not real separation. Regulators may play along for political convenience, but everyone knows it’s a workaround dressed up as compliance.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Read the fine print

      Whatever the contract, they who control the hardware OR the software control the data.

      The whole point of a Google Cloud is that Google supplies the hardware and the software.

    3. FuzzyTheBear Silver badge

      Re: Read the fine print

      And by the time they lay their paws on it and you take them to court for breach of contract it's way too dang late.

  7. mimi001

    Hmmm Left side of the Pond says I can give you sovereign data center hosting on the Right side of the Pond...As a former C programmer (and American living in the Pond (OK 35 miles from the mainland on a spit of sand called "Cape Cod")) I can't really see how this "compiles".

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    They really don't understand the meaning of the term "air gapped"

    It does not mean that there's a firewall in front of your network.

    It does not mean that the network can only be accessed via a VPN, or via a "private" interconnect VLAN.

    It means literally that there is *no connection at all* outside of the site. The only way to access it is to be physically present in the site, using local keyboard and screen. This is not something that can be meaningfully offered as a cloud service.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    And if you don't trust the Yanks

    You probably don't want to use any Israeli security products in your stack either.

    1. Claptrap314 Silver badge

      Re: And if you don't trust the Yanks

      Or British or Canadian or Australian or New Zealander at least. Hate Jews much?

  10. billdehaan

    Google is a nation

    Decades ago, I remember reading some parody article talking about international finance, and I remember the line, "Ronald Reagan, the president of the United States of America (a wholely owned subsidiary of International Business Machines, Incorporated) today announced...".

    In the 1990s, when Microsoft was being investigated for being a monopoly, I could only marvel, as Microsoft could only dream of having the influence that IBM had during its' heyday. Most people simply refused to believe the stories of what IBM did and got away with in the 1950s and 1960s. Staff at companies that leased IBM equipment were hesitant to report bugs in the product, because IBM could simply pull the lease, leaving the company without access to its' data. I've personally seen a mid level manager fired because he reported a bug, and the IBM rep said either the company fired him, or he'd pull the lease.

    Microsoft was monopolistic, but they were nothing compared to the influence that IBM had, and the power they exerted.

    And then Google came onto the scene. Just as people cheered Microsoft in the 1980s because it freed them from the oppressive grip of IBM, in the 2000s, people cheered Google from the oppressive grip of Microsoft.

    Now Google is the oppressive grip. And where IBM's influence was over major corporations that leased IBM services, and Microsoft's influence was limited to the (at the time) under 10% of the population that had PCs, or more specifically the under 1% that were software developers, Google's influence is over anyone who uses the internet, and/or an Android cell phone. Which is to say, everyone.

    People have tried to go Google free. A few have documented their efforts. They discovered that if you block Google IP addresses, you quickly find that your internet connection is useless, as so many backbone services are dependent on Google infrastructure.

    And this is the entity that is proposing a safe harbour from the USA? That's like asking the wolf to protect you from the sheep. I wouldn't trust either of them, but when you think about it, the USA's threat is that it can use warrants (or other means) to gain access to the data that Google already has.

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