back to article Here's what we know about the DragonForce ransomware that hit Marks & Spencer

DragonForce, a new-ish ransomware-as-a-service operation, has given organizations another cyber threat to worry about — unless they’re in Russia, which is off limits to the would-be extortionists. The gang started operations in August 2023 but its ransomware didn't gain much traction until the following year, when DragonForce …

  1. Mentat74
    Unhappy

    And that's why you should NEVER pay a ransom...

    They already have your data... who's to say they'll actually delete it or give you the key to decrypt it after payment is made ?

    1. S4qFBxkFFg

      Re: And that's why you should NEVER pay a ransom...

      Not to mention you would literally be paying criminals that you know have done crime, and it's very likely they're operating in a heavily sanctioned country; it's not a risk-free choice, legally.

    2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: And that's why you should NEVER pay a ransom...

      The best way to ensure that ransoms are not paid would be to make them illegal. It wouldn't be immediate complete prevention but would be more effective after the first prosecution of a board that did.

      Couple that with offering big rewards for information leading to the identification and capture of those responsible. There are probably a few who, in return for immunity and cash, might contrive to inveigle or otherwise exfiltrate their associates to somewhere where there's extradition.

      1. druck Silver badge

        Re: And that's why you should NEVER pay a ransom...

        Wont work, far better is to make illegal the only viable way of payment that supports the entire ransomware business model - crypto currencies.

      2. LucreLout

        Re: And that's why you should NEVER pay a ransom...

        It's a nice idea, and I think of enacted globally it may work.

        Unfortunately, next time the NHS most all or days and it health records become inaccessible, What's the plan for getting them back?

        Backups etc assume a level of competency rarely demonstrated in the public sector, and not witnessed on the private sector often enough.

        Too often what will happen under your plan is that all the ordinary workers will become suddenly unemployed because the company got closed. That's maybe ok if you're in the public sector, where recessions and job loss are just words in a dictionary, but in the real world this would be a problem. A bit longer socialism then, nice theory, nothing more.

    3. Alumoi Silver badge
      Joke

      Re: And that's why you should NEVER pay a ransom...

      So, no different from cloud vendors. Nice data you've got on MY computers. How about you pay me more if you want to access it?

    4. John_Ericsson

      Re: And that's why you should NEVER pay a ransom...

      The hacking groups cover this by explaining that future extortion attempts on other companies would not succeed if they were known for not keeping their word. The exact wording is on forums where victims have cut and pasted the text.

  2. Pascal Monett Silver badge
    FAIL

    "off limits"

    I'm sorry, you're already the bottom of the barrel. Pretending you have standards is not going to raise your status.

    1. Furious Reg reader John

      Re: "off limits"

      No so much as having standards, more the worry that Russian Law Enforcement is more focused on the word Enforcement than the word Law when it comes to dealing with threats to Russian interests. Why put a bounty on your head by attacking Russian targets when there are so many easy targets in the west.

      1. Andy Non Silver badge

        Re: "off limits"

        Exactly, the slightest poke at the Russian bear may result in you accidentally falling out of a window.

        1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

          Re: "off limits"

          On the other hand, whether any of the above is true or not, it's interesting that any of these "ransomware as a service" outfits who have restrictions, only ever seem to prohibit either Russia or China as targets. You NEVER see any of them warning their users against going after EU or US targets. Is that fear of reprisals or is it more of a political stance because of who might be backing, or at least encouraging them?

          1. LucreLout

            Re: "off limits"

            It's just fear.

            Imagine you had to fuck the wife of a world leader and imagine they were definitely going to catch you doing it.

            Putin and Xi would be close to last on your list because it'd be fatal. Trump would be top of mine because Melania and no real impact of him knowing, starmer maybe as what's he really gonna do? For the most part I've no idea what the ladies in question look like and it's definitely not the primary selection criteria.

            If the consequences of being targeted are unpleasant enough and likely enough to be visited upon the transgressor, it's perfectly possible to slide through life unimpeded by crime. People don't steal mafia bosses cars, for example.

        2. nonpc

          Re: "off limits"

          I wonder what happens if you try the Israelis?

  3. S4qFBxkFFg

    "...some ransomware variants run checks on the OS or keyboard language to ensure it is not Russian before proceeding with encryption routines."

    I wonder if it looks at the language actually selected at the time, or merely enabled in the keyboard locale switcher (or whatever Windows uses these days). Having Russian as the "main" language, while actually using your own, might be a low-cost way of making yourself less likely to be targeted.

  4. wolfetone Silver badge

    What's to learn here other than they don't target schools/hospitals and they don't do anything in Russia?

    I came here for an idea as to how M&S and the Co-Op got smacked by it. Not how people are guessing what this DragonForceBallZ are up to or operating.

    Jesus Christ the BBC have more useful information about the hacks than El Reg right now.

    1. John_Ericsson

      The reporting on this by the register has been lacking.

      1. GNU SedGawk Bronze badge

        They managed to get in the obligatry evidence free it was the Russians line

        Ukrainians - totally not known for being utterly involved in this

        udicial and law enforcement authorities from seven different countries have joined forces in an action against a criminal network responsible for significant ransomware attacks across the world. These attacks are believed to have affected over 1,800 victims in 71 countries. The perpetrators targeted large corporations, effectively bringing their business to a standstill and causing losses of at least several hundred millions of euros.

        A recent operation supported by Eurojust and Europol led to the arrest of the ringleader and the detention of four suspects in Ukraine. A total of 30 places were searched and over a hundred digital equipment tools were seized.

        generic attack word More than 20 investigators from Norway, France, Germany and the United States were deployed to Kyiv to assist the Ukrainian authorities. This latest action follows a first round of arrests in 2021 in the framework of the same investigation.

        https://www.eurojust.europa.eu/news/ransomware-group-dismantled-ukraine-major-operation-supported-eurojust-europol

        1. GNU SedGawk Bronze badge

          Re: They managed to get in the obligatry evidence free it was the Russians line

          Here's a Ukrainian Terror attack in London - despite it literally targeting the PM, we aren't being told it's a Terrorism - because White Perpetrator so obviously <emph>"mentally ill with bright future tragically cut short, by senseless random act with no context whatsoever"</emph>

          I'd lay good money that this person has lost family forcibly conscripted in Ukraine, and is aware what has happened to his country and blames Keith's EnglishZionism desperate attempt to milk the weapons contracts for a few more mineral concessions - though isn't this all rather theoretical in that the minerals that have been promised to the septics are uneconomical available.

          https://www.politico.eu/article/ukrainian-man-charged-arson-after-fire-keir-starmers-house/

          1. GNU SedGawk Bronze badge

            Re: They managed to get in the obligatry evidence free it was the Russians line

            I'm being told that I'm a conspiracy theorist and that it's not being described as Terrorist because this chap is really a Jilted former lover of the PM who happens to know his addresses because he'd previously visited them.

            I'm genuinely unsure if I'm being trolled here, that's utterly deluded right, the PM is shagging random Ukrainians rather than the media in the UK reserves the phrase Terrorist for brown people.

            It just seems a bit tinfoil hatty and seems based entirely on this chap getting a studio photo into the papers, rather than a police photo and the interesting detail, that he speaks no english https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GrF92UWXwAAi6VU?format=jpg&name=large

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Lack of Disclosure

        Agreed… though it’s more info than has come out of Full Disclosure from M&S, Co-op and Harrods.

        My 1 single mail from Jane Wall - Operations Director at M&S told me nothing over 3 lawyer approved paragraphs and 1 mail from ‘Shrine’ - the cash overpaid Coop CEO - similar. I’m not a Harrod’s customer - lol.

        I hope at least they have been more up front with ICO

        1. wolfetone Silver badge

          Re: Lack of Disclosure

          You got an email?

          I know for certain I've bought stuff from M&S and I've received fuck all from them.

  5. Captain Badmouth
    Pint

    Steve K take a bow

    Your joke “this is not just a breach, it’s an M&S breach” has made it as a cartoon in the current issue of private eye.

    Albeit with “breach” replaced with “cyber attack”.

    Perhaps you should approach them for a reward for original idea?

    Have a Register cyber award ———>>>>>

  6. Captain Badmouth

    Link to Steve K comment 3 days ago:

    https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2025/05/13/ms_confirms_customer_data_stolen/

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