back to article US Copyright Office found AI companies sometimes breach copyright. Next day its boss was fired

The head of the US Copyright Office has reportedly been fired, the day after agency concluded that builders of AI models use of copyrighted material went beyond existing doctrines of fair use. The office’s opinion on fair use came in a draft of the third part of its report on copyright and artificial intelligence. The first …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Shooting the Whistleblower

    At least they haven't started falling out windows yet.

    1. An_Old_Dog Silver badge

      Re: Shooting the Whistleblower

      "It was an accident. He fell down an open elevator shaft -- on top of 23 bullets."

      1. ecofeco Silver badge

        Re: Shooting the Whistleblower

        After he tripped down the stairs.

      2. Eclectic Man Silver badge
        Coat

        Re: Shooting the Whistleblower

        See Dario Fo's play 'Accidental death of an anarchist'

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accidental_Death_of_an_Anarchist

        I'll get my coat, it has a parachute in the pocket.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Shooting the Whistleblower

          I saw a version on TV by Gavin Richards* with him as the protagonist. Very energetic/frenetic

          *Possibly more recognised by some as Captain "Whadda mistake a da make" Bertorelli.

  2. Lazlo Woodbine Silver badge

    If any of this shit went down in another country, the US would invade to "restore democracy" / "seize mineral rights" (delete as appropriate)

    1. blu3b3rry
      Angel

      They're "the good guys" so in this case it's fine, or something. The USA could always decide to invade itself over this of course.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        I thought they'd outsourced invading themselves to Mexico?

        1. elsergiovolador Silver badge

          They would invade Mexico any time, but those cartels are very mean.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        They're already doing the self invasion, as far as I can tell there are quite a few people in and around the White House achieving the anatomically impossible.

    2. Fairly Astute

      'If any of this shit went down in another country, the US would invade to "restore democracy"'

      Who needs another country? Wasn't that what (ex-)PINO was doing on Jan 6th?

    3. Groo The Wanderer - A Canuck

      That was before it became the New Nazi States of America under the Pumpkin Fuhrer and Muscolini... it's anything but an equality-minded democracy now.

      1. Groo The Wanderer - A Canuck

        Truth hurts, doesn't it, downvoter? Take a look at all the rights being suppressed south of the Canadian border, all the people being illegally arrested or detained, including visitors to your country who never were any "threat" in the first place.

        You've FINISHED the job of turning into a paranoid shithole. You STARTED the job as soon as 9/11 happened and you started parking paramilitary "police officers" all over the nation.

        Now you're so paranoid about even the media and reporters that you'd rather believe a con-man's outright and easily disproven lies, even though it has cost you your international reputation, your trade partners, your security agreements, and untold billions in withdrawn purchases from around the world. "Making America Grotesquely Anti-democratic."

        Mark my words: in 20 years, those red MAGA hats will be looked on with all the "love" that KKK robes and Nazi paraphanalia from Germany are today...

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Nah … not really.

      Pervasive tech bro influence, inc ‘You Know Who’s” malignant presence.

      https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/may/10/paul-mccartney-and-dua-lipa-among-artists-urging-starmer-to-rethink-ai-copyright-plans

  3. gryphon

    Confused

    "putting inappropriate books in the library for children"

    The Library of Congress is a copyright library, i.e. it has to be supplied with a copy of every single book that is published in the US.

    Has some numpty simply seen a 'woke' book on their inventory list and decided that they are promoting 'wokeness' by doing their actual job?

    Answers on a postage stamp since 'Yes' will easily fit there.

    1. Paul Crawford Silver badge

      Re: Confused

      Simple - any book that does not flatter Agent Orange or pander to his legions of range-monkeys...

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Confused

        That's about all of them then because they appear to move towards considering the ability to read itself a danger.

      2. el_oscuro

        Re: Confused

        https://theonion.com/trump-administration-offers-free-at-home-loyalty-tests/

        1. trindflo

          Re: Confused

          Pretty funny, but what is completely unbelievable is that the test is free.

    2. Jedit Silver badge
      Stop

      "Has some numpty simply seen a 'woke' book on their inventory list"

      The actual answer is "no". They're just so stupid and ignorant that they think the Library of Congress is a lending library with a children's section. Probably because they haven't set foot in a library since they were children themselves.

    3. Eclectic Man Silver badge

      Re: Confused

      gryphon: "putting inappropriate books in the library for children"

      The Library of Congress is a copyright library, i.e. it has to be supplied with a copy of every single book that is published in the US.

      The objective is to discredit the person, not to make sense.

    4. Scene it all

      Re: Confused

      And "children" under the age of 16 are not even allowed in.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    same old same old, newspaper companies want google to pay for sending customers to their web sites, now apparently so do content creators..

    If its out there on the web, its FREE AND AVAILABLE for anyone to use how they like!

    1. lglethal Silver badge
      Facepalm

      Your name is Sam Altman and i claim my $5...

    2. 45RPM Silver badge

      Just because you can doesn’t mean that you’re allowed to. Sometimes an article is free for you to read, but not for you to replicate (perhaps with the advertising stripped off). You need to read and understand the terms of the license. Besides, the article (or book, or anything else) might be scraped from a piracy site - and there’s absolutely no excuse whatsoever for that.

      If I were to leave my bicycle unlocked outside a shop whilst I pop in quickly to grab a drink, that doesn’t mean you’re allowed to grab it and do a runner. If a greengrocer has a display of fruit and veg outside their shop that doesn’t mean that you can pinch an apple.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Said licence being presented to you before reading the article. And you can't skip it. Right?

        1. doublelayer Silver badge

          No, and if the license sneakily says you're not allowed to read it after you've read it, that's a reasonable excuse. But this is not that. This is being allowed to copy and use it as you like, which is when you have to look for the license. If you didn't know that, this is your official notice. Not everything you can read is free for unlimited and unrestricted use.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            We have to agree to disagree. The onus is on you to present me with a license so I can act acordingly. I don't have to search through your entire site to find it (if there's such a license provided).

            I know, I know, if you put up an unskipabble license many bots will not index your site and you can't make money from advertising. Tough titty, but you can't have the cake and it it, right?

            1. doublelayer Silver badge

              Tell you what. Try that argument in a court. When you are convicted, that will prove how much your opinion matters when there is a law that says these things.

              There is code I want to use. I have access to it; somebody posted it. It is copyrighted to a company who has not released it as open source. Guess what will happen if I try to use it for commercial purposes? Maybe they won't notice, in which case I'm fine. Maybe they will, in which case I can be sued. The fact that it's online, whether they intended it or someone posted it illegally (it's unclear) makes no difference at all. no matter how much I might want that to make a difference, it doesn't. Your opinion doesn't matter because this is about facts.

            2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

              "The onus is on you to present me with a license so I can act acordingly."

              Rubbish. Copyright is inherent in the creation of the work according to the law. The presumption is ALWAYS that a work is copyrighted unless specified otherwise. It's the entire basis of the Berne Convention which even the USA, however deliberately, has signed up to. If you post your work on someone elses server, you may have agreed to their T&Cs, which assign many, or even most of the rights the them, but just making it accessible to hoi polloi does not give anyone else the right to copy and use it themselves. This argument was settled when photocopiers became easily accessible. Books etc usually have a copyright notice informing the reader they may not copy all or part of the works within, but that is only a reminder and is not legally required because the law already has the "licence" codified. Ignorance of the law is no excuse, even if some people do need a notice on the coffee cup warning them the contents may be a bit warm.

            3. Groo The Wanderer - A Canuck

              Man, you must have voted for Drumpf to be so abjectly ignorant of the law...

        2. Filippo Silver badge

          Dear AC,

          I do not need to show you a license to prevent you from duplicating material, because copyright is the default state of intellectual property. Absent a license, you can only do "fair use".

          Please read the above paragraph again, until you get it.

      2. TheMaskedMan Silver badge

        "If a greengrocer has a display of fruit and veg outside their shop that doesn’t mean that you can pinch an apple."

        Good analogy, and of course you're correct. If I reproduce the site content, be it in a book, website or anywhere else, I'm infringing the author's copyright, no argument about that, particularly if there is something in the page footer that forbids that

        But suppose I pass by that greengrocer and take a picture of his apples, which I then sell for lots of money. I don't owe the greengrocer a penny. Suppose I count his apples (without handling his merchandise, of course), and amalgamate the results into the results from thousands of other greengrocers, which I then use commercially. Again, I don't owe the greengrocer a penny. The fact that he has left his merchandise in a public place means that he cannot stop the public taking pictures of it for their own gains in the same way that he could if it were displayed in his shop.

        The same applies to web content. Reproducing it without permission is not acceptable, and nor should it be. But analysing that content, for any purpose whatsoever, is not the same thing. I cannot see how that could possibly infringe copyright. That said, if the site adds some kind of "not for use by AI" notice in the page footer, that should be enough to disallow any such analysis. If a site goes to those lengths then the AI bots should respect it; if not, then as long as they're not reproducing the content verbatim, I don't see a problem.

        1. Filippo Silver badge

          >But analysing that content, for any purpose whatsoever, is not the same thing. I cannot see how that could possibly infringe copyright.

          But that's not how it works. Fair use doctrine is a blacklist, not a whitelist. If something is undefined because it's a new activity that doesn't resemble other allowed activities, then it's disallowed by default.

          And no, LLM training does not look like reading at all.

      3. GNU Enjoyer
        Unhappy

        Equating copyright infringement to theft is a error

        If someone steals your bike, you no longer have your bike.

        If someone steals an apple, the shop no longer has an apple.

        If someone copies your bike, you still have your bike and perse can enjoy their copy too.

        If someone copies an apple, the shop still has the apple and perse can enjoy their copy too.

        Alas, there are no bike or apple copiers.

        When it comes to works under proprietary licenses, it would be moral (although not perfectly so) to ignore such restrictions and share such works anyway, but that would be illegal.

        Works under free licenses can be used, modified and/or shared, even commercially perfectly morally and also fully legally - many people and companies profit from free works via the legitimate business activities of sale of the original copies or selling support.

        What LLM companies are doing is scraping works under free and proprietary licenses alike, removing the licenses and selling combined copies of the input with proprietary software and SaaSS - which is clearly an immoral act (as free works are being rendered nonfree) and is also an act of copyright infringement (although companies usually get away with it).

    3. JoeCool Silver badge

      Just like whne you buy a CD, right ?

      Make whatever copies you want.

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      If its out there on the web, its FREE AND AVAILABLE for anyone to use how they like!

      Err no, and that's the actual legal position.

      I have a web site I put together with information that was (at the time) hard to get hold of. I did it to help others with their DIY efforts. Yes, you are free to read it for nothing, but not "use how you like". There is clearly on each page a notice that it's copyright to myself so anything beyond personal use and legally recognised fair use would be illegal. Also the terms of use explicitly prohibit ANY commercial use of the information - so someone scraping it to feed an AI model is explicitly a breach of copyright.

      And the USA is a signatory to the Bern convention which required the country enact similar rules. Even if Trump decided that was "inconvenient", he'd soon be put in his place since withdrawing from the Bern convention would make US copyright unenforceable abrod, and that would kill their software industry, their film/entertainment industry, and a few others as well.

    5. The Central Scrutinizer Silver badge

      What utter bollocks. The overwhelming majority of Internet content was out there long before AI bots started scraping it willy nilly

      And screaming in all caps doesn't make it true.

    6. hoola Silver badge

      I think you misunderstood the article. Just because "something is out there" does not mean it is free to be used others.

      Let's put some context on this, you create some material, say technical text and earn your living g frome selling it. It is in copyright and may have licenseing associated with the contents.

      Someone comes along and sucks the pdf up then gives it away.

      You now don't have any money!

  5. 45RPM Silver badge

    The actions of a facist dictatorship, and this is merely another facet. But the Trump shills, Putinistas and Faragists all seem very silent on these topics. It’s as if they realise that these actions are beyond the pale, they’re too obviously indefensible. But they also realise that there’s a very real possibility that they don’t need to comment. It’s entirely possible that the US is now too far gone, the machinery of democracy is too far dismantled, for there ever to be a fair election again. So they don’t need to say anything at all.

    If, by a miracle, a centrist government does get into power again in the US then it will need to do so on a mandate of restructuring - it must be written into the constitution, for example, that the Supreme Court is non-partisan (and therefore made up equally of judges from across the political spectrum, not just whoever the president fancies will give him carte blanche). Some serious thought needs to be given to how to handle political districts (maybe keep them as they are, but weight them according to population density) and the electoral college.

    And, for everyone else, before going to the ballot box consider… This is what nationalism and voting for right wing parties gets you. It gets you war, school shootings, social inequality, fiscal instability and a flag and dictator that you have to salute. Is that really what you want?

    1. Sp1z

      Give it four or five hours until the US wakes up and the anonymous downvotes will appear with no explanation or justification, as usual.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        I wasn't sure whether to downvote that to prove your point or upvote it to acknowledge its truth.

      2. 45RPM Silver badge

        I don’t know. The US doesn’t have a monopoly on jingoistic stupidity. Look at all the votes for Brexit. Look at how well Reform (in the UK) continues to do, despite the treachery of Nigel Farage. Russia is a different kettle of worms because the dismantling of democracy there is complete - and the only hope for them is if the military gets fed up with Putin. But then one type of tyranny is swapped for another type of tyranny.

        1. Dan 55 Silver badge

          I fully expect a series of Reform resignations fairly soon because they're like Mr Gumby and the job will be too much for them. And a bunch of others will have a dodgy background that people find out about within 4 seconds of searching X and have to step down.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            .. assuming shame still works. After all, Trump has demonstrated how to overcome pussy grabbing scandals with easy, and it went downhill from there.

            At some point I fear we'll see the same trend in more developed countries - it's already touch and go in some.

          2. heyrick Silver badge

            "will have a dodgy background that people find out about within 4 seconds of searching X and have to step down."

            I think you're living in the past there. Look how hard Cummings tried to pile the dirt on Johnson and how little effect it had. MPs resigning in shame is a forgotten concept. As long as snouts are in the trough (arguably Farage's entire MO), honour will be sidestepped.

            1. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge

              Look how hard Cummings tried to pile the dirt on Johnson and how little effect it had

              I think that was more because people hated that unelected little shithead far more than they disliked Boris.

              1. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

                Exactly this. Whether what he was saying about De-Pfeffel Johnson was true or not, his credibility was fatally injured by his "eye test during Covid" shenanigans, which made it all look an awful lot like sour grapes, and thus easier to dismiss.

                As it happens, the whole lot of 'em would appear to be as corrupt as each other, and any rational person never trusted them to begin with. An awful lot of people don't bother to actually look at what politicians are up to, and vote with their guts anyway, which is why we've got all this stuff with scapegoating immigrants for the decades-long failings of neoliberal economics and end-stage capitalism. It's much easier for the exceedingly well-funded to point the blame at the have-nots than it is for anyone to point out that those well-funded people living in what amount to palaces might be to blame for the massive wealth inequality that this system breeds.

          3. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Downvoted, because you called Xitter "x".

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              That's because X is for toXic wasteland.

          4. BartyFartsLast Silver badge

            " And a bunch of others will have a dodgy background that people find out about within 4 seconds of searching X" that's already happening, weird how they all seem to have slipped by the most stringent vetting of any party and been exposed by a simple Google or X search, it's almost as if Farage was wearing incendiary pants

          5. nobody who matters Silver badge

            <......"I fully expect a series of Reform resignations fairly soon...."......>

            Upvoted, because I hope that you are right, even though I rather doubt that will actually happen :(

            1. Dan 55 Silver badge
              1. nobody who matters Silver badge

                Bearing in mind the extent to which Reform have been making a big thing about cutting out waste of taxpayers money, those resignations now mean a fresh election has to be held to select their replacements. This will cost those Councils thousands of pounds. Well done Reform - you got the financial savings off to a really great start!

                1. nobody who matters Silver badge

                  Oh dear - is that you Nigel?

          6. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

            "I fully expect a series of Reform resignations fairly soon"

            I believe a small number, 3 or 4, have already done so at Durham County Council because they were council employees. It's specifically in the T&Cs when standing as a candidate the one MUST NOT be an employee of the council you are standing for. And I don;t think you can keep the post by resigning the job after the fact because it's worded such that a council employee may not stand in the election. Nothing about winning and then resigning the employment afterwards. Clearly they didn't read what they were signing, so it's probably a good thing that people like that have had to resign. I'd like to think that elected officials were at least capable of reading the "contract" before standing.

            1. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

              I wonder if they have actually committed an offence by doing so, and as such are personally liable for the costs incurred in holding new by-elections. I certainly hope so, but I won't be holding my breath.

          7. David Hicklin Silver badge

            > I fully expect a series of Reform resignations

            One has already quit in Nottinghamshire triggering a by-election...and this from a party mandating cutting out waste and unnecessary costs...

        2. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge

          Reform isn't winning, its the rest that are losing

          Look at how well Reform (in the UK) continues to do

          But how much of that is from people who actually want to see Farage in No. 10, rather than just using him as a protest? Look at his past efforts in UKIP and the Brexit party, once they'd achieved their protest aims their votes vanished at the next election.

          Starmer won his "landslide" at the last election despite having fewer total votes than Corbyn managed against Boris, and yet Boris got an 80-seat majority in that election. The big Reform votes recently have been much more a reaction against Sunak and Starmer than any real desire to vote for Farage. In the general election many Tory voters either stayed at home, or voted LibDem/Reform to give Sunak a kicking, knowing fine well that nothing would stop Starmer winning however they voted.

          This big problem now is that the longer the Tories take to get the message, and return to the more traditional moderate-right values that have won them elections in the past, the more chance there is that they'll fade away and Reform will be the only right-wing (or just non left/centre) game in town.

          Trump didn't win in the US because people wanted him, he won because the Democrats couldn't find a believeable opposition candidate, people weren't prepared to vote for an invisible woman, or a doddery geriatric, so they gave up. Trump would have stood little chance against an opponent like Bill Clinton or Barack Obama at their peak. The same is true of Farage, he's scoring today as the "the rest are useless, might as well try something different" candidate. Of course, if the rest remain useless, he might just win by default.

          1. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

            Re: Reform isn't winning, its the rest that are losing

            This big problem now is that the longer the Tories take to get the message, and return to the more traditional moderate-right values that have won them elections in the past, the more chance there is that they'll fade away and Reform will be the only right-wing (or just non left/centre) game in town.

            The bigger problem is that Labour have moved over to fill that centre-right position, with their right-wing policies on benefits, taxation, the disabled, and immigration. We have no centre-left party either, and the main problem with the left-wing vote is that it represents a plurailty of non-right-wing opinions, and thus is split. Historically, at any time the Tories have been in power, you only have to add up the vote share that labour, the liberals, and the greens get together to see that this is typically the majority, and that the FPTP system artificially amplifies the political position that can maintain only a single party.

            What does this mean for the right-wing vote in this country? It's going to be interesting if the Tories do manage to find even a semi-competent leader, because the right-wing vote is rapidly being split in the way the left-wing vote has been historically.

            Of course, any truly representative system of PR would sort all of this out, but expecting the party that wins under FPTP to change the system to favour them less is very much akin to the proverbial turkeys voting for Christmas.

    2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      "the Trump shills, Putinistas and Faragists all seem very silent on these topics"

      Not entirely. There was one right before your comment. Shameless.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      need to do so on a mandate of restructuring

      Sounds like adopting the Westminster system plus the AU electoral system of universal suffrage, mandatory preferential voting and taking away all the guns.

      Just as likely to become a monarchy with the Queen of Hearts (the "off with his head" one) in charge - at least she would have Trumpty-Dumpty's on the palace gates.

      A little Carrollian DoGErel

      "Trumpty-Dumpty spat biggly on the law

      Trumpty-Dumpty had a great fall

      All his yes men and all his whores

      Couldn't put Trumpty-Dumpty together† again."

      Unsurprisingly no one actually wanted to have his carcass.

      † alternatively and perhaps more aptly following Carroll "in his place" (place meaning office.)

      1. 45RPM Silver badge

        Re: need to do so on a mandate of restructuring

        I prefer…

        Donald the President packed his trunk

        And said goodbye to the White House

        Off the went with a Trumpetty Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump

        The head of the herd was Putin, far far away

        He had a sack full of Kompromat

        And Donald would have to pay…

    4. DS999 Silver badge

      therefore made up equally of judges from across the political spectrum, not just whoever the president fancies will give him carte blanche

      That's how it used to be, and justices would routinely get near unanimous support regardless of president or party. But republicans were unhappy that judges they nominated weren't hardline conservatives voting reflexively to ban abortion, dump all regulation etc. so they decided to change the game with nominees like Bork (who was not confirmed) and Thomas (who was)

      Then McConnell rose to power in the Senate and decided he would use that power to deny Obama any judicial appointments, holding them until a republican was in office to give him more Thomases. With Trump's tariff war likely to toss us into a recession, republicans losing the Senate in the next election is a real possibility. No doubt none of Trump's nominees to the court (at any level) will make it through, as there's no way democrats would stand for anything less than the same tit-for-tat obstructionism Obama endured.

      I don't know how you enforce this with the Constitution. How do you make a president only nominate someone who is "non partisan"? How do you prevent a Senate of the other party from rejecting any nomination that president makes, hoping for a "better" nominee when their guy gets in power? Some states have a judicial nominating committee that provides a list of candidates for a governor to choose from, but then you have the same problem just with the membership of that committee. Some states elect judges, but unless we fixed campaign finance first you'll see Elon Musk running a $100 million campaign to get the next Clarence Thomas on the court.

      In hindsight you could see the cracks forming in the system over the last 30-35 years, Trump is like a virus taking advantage of a weakened immune system. I agree we need to rethink a lot about the government but we'd need to have a constitutional convention to make the changes needed on the time scale required - and things may end up worse if you have nazis like Elon Musk getting their billions involved in that process.

      1. Tim99 Silver badge

        Require a 2/3rds Senate majority for a prospective candidate?

        1. Meph
          Big Brother

          > "Require a 2/3rds Senate majority for a prospective candidate?"

          The risk you run there is that they can't end up agreeing on anyone, so the position remains unfilled, which isn't a desirable outcome.

          Maybe offer something a little bit like jury selection, where either side gets a certain number of vetoes, and when those run out (or both sides agree on a given candidate), the last one standing is the new nominated Justice.

        2. lglethal Silver badge

          You first need to fix your parliament. Ban companies from donating to political campaigns or parties. Put a limit on how much any one person can donate. Put laws in place to prevent one person using multiple relatives/employees/random strangers to donate beyond the accepted amount. With proper penalties for breaches of said rules.

          Fix the gerrymandering, such that third parties and independents can win seats federally.

          Then when your parliament is fixed, you can start on the courts.

          1. nobody who matters Silver badge

            <......."Put a limit on how much any one person can donate.".....>

            Or perhaps introduce a similar system to that which we have in the UK - there is a limit imposed on how much each party is allowed to spend on campaigning in the 12 months preceding polling day, and is related to the number of constituencies that they contest - currently just over £54k per constituency), and in addition there is also a separate limit on what each candidate can spend (currently slightly more than £40k, plus an allowance per voter on the electoral roll for that constituency which is measured in pennies!).

            This system puts all parties on a more or less equal financial footing and prevents the party/candidate with the most money to spend from having an unfair advantage, and gives smaller parties a fair chance to make their mark.

            Quite unlike the US system in which it appears that only people with a vast amount of money can make any headway in a presidential election, and the one with the most money backing them wins.

            Not quite the original intention of the election system which is supposed to mean that literally any US citizen can run for President.

            1. collinsl Silver badge

              Not quite the original intention of the election system which is supposed to mean that literally any US citizen can run for President.

              Well, the original intention of the Founding Fathers was that Rich White Men like themselves should be able to a) vote and 2. be elected, but subsequent amendments to the Constitution have resolved that.

        3. DS999 Silver badge

          Require a 2/3rds Senate majority for a prospective candidate?

          That's an even higher bar than currently, which was 60 (to defeat the filibuster) and then 50 (when the filibuster was taken away for Supreme Court appointments) so it will make obstructionism even easier. Why would the democrats allow Trump to appoint a single judge? Why would the republicans have allowed Biden to appoint judges during his term?

          We'd slowly see the ranks of judges shrink through attrition as they retired or died, with positions never being filled.

          If there was some sort of automated system to fill slots that remain open too long, like promotion from the lower courts, maybe that helps. But only for so long because then the fights over who to appoint to the slots that will move up become the new battleground for the Supreme Court.

      2. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

        The underlying problem here is obvious. The president (executive branch) picking the members of the Supreme Court (judicial branch) in the first place. This breaks the separation of the three branches of government, especially when the executive branch has tendrils into the legislative branch (congress).

        Ideally, the President should have no influence over either the Supreme Court or Congress, because without separation of powers, what you have there is a dictatorship.

        I'd suggest that senior members of the legal profession should be responsible for appointing members of the Supreme Court, with minimum requirements of experience and track record, and that measures are put in place to remove judges if their decisions can be demonstrated to be consistently incorrect, or if they suffer mental decline. I'd go so far as to say that there should be maximum term lengths as well, not this weird "in power for the rest of your life" bullshit.

        1. DS999 Silver badge

          Who decides on the makeup of that "board of appointment"?

          Given the power the Supreme Court exercises you would quickly see a ton of potential corruption around that.

          In theory that's the best idea, the best qualified people to decide who should be on the highest court are other judges, as well as lawyers who have argued many cases before the Supreme Court. But those people aren't necessarily without their own partisan feelings, which can be amplified by today's echo chamber media or compromised by giving them free luxury RVs.

          I'd suggest AI might be able to fill the role someday, if it was trained on the appropriate data. But deciding what training data is "appropriate" to such an AI would be another partisan fight. We could solve gerrymandering overnight by turning redistricting over to a computer program that only looked at maps and population counts without knowing whether given areas are rich/poor white/black urban/rural and so on but those who are advantaged by gerrymandering aren't going to turn over the power they have for something that's non-partisan. And that program wouldn't require AI and could have been written 50 years ago, so fat chance taking anything else out of human hands to make it less partisan.

      3. collinsl Silver badge

        Simple - you change to the UK system where Judges are chosen by other Judges based on their respect and understanding of the law, and their political independence etc.

        Electing Judges by popular vote can only lead to politics, which is not desirable in a judge by any means. And yes, Supreme Court Justices are indirectly elected because they are picked by an elected individual along party lines.

        The US system as a whole relies too much on people in positions of power doing the "right thing" because they should, not because they have to. This is also true of the UK system to some extent (for example Judges in the UK for our Supreme Court are in theory chosen by the Prime Minister but they always follow the recommendation of the panel of Judges who choose the nominees, and if they didn't then it's much easier to remove a UK PM than a US President so their party or the opposition would have them out on their ear within a week if they felt aggrieved about it.

  6. Flocke Kroes Silver badge

    "Delete all IP law"

    Trade marks are a part IP law. If the law is deleted I could put other peoples' trade marks in places they do not want them. I tried thinking of places to put Tesla's trade mark where it would put the company into disrepute. It turns out there is no need to bother as the logos are already on Tesla vehicles and show rooms.

    1. EricM Silver badge

      Re: "Delete all IP law"

      True not only for trademarks.

      You'd think that the owner of Tesla, xAI and SpaceX should understand that IP law in the form of patents also protects the investments of his own companies.

      1. alain williams Silver badge

        Re: "Delete all IP law"

        He will take others to court to protect his own IP while pilfering anything that he can get his hands on. That is what kleptocrats do.

    2. Rafael #872397 Silver badge
      Mushroom

      Re: ...put Tesla's trade mark where it would put the company into disrepute.

      Don't worry, Elon is already working on this.

      And where is the "and where is Elon's salute picture" icon?

    3. BartyFartsLast Silver badge

      Re: "Delete all IP law"

      I'm just enjoying pointing out that the uterus on the back and front of every Tesla usually has the c@&t on the outside

  7. elsergiovolador Silver badge

    Nice things

    Elon> Nice things you have created here! Lemme just take it, you peasant!

  8. Andrew Mayo

    An awful lot of Americans simply do not care about what are to them abstract concepts of civil liberty. As the Eagles put it in 'Desperado'. "And freedom, oh freedom, well that's just some people talking".

    There is a huge cultural gap between a college professor in Boston and a farmhand in North Dakota and the idea that somehow everyone will come together in some kind of civil uprising to thwart Trump is simply fanciful. What we are seeing here is, frankly, what an awful lot of people actually wanted. They feel disempowered and disrespected and they really don't give a damn about copyright, AI, or the tech bros, as long as somebody promises them the steel mill ain't gonna close. You cannot map European liberalism onto the American population as a whole, and this is not to even begin to bring the much wider influence of religious fundamentalism in the US into the picture.

    Meanwhile back on Airstrip One everyone's become obsessed with achieving some kind of bucolic Green and Pleasant Land where everyone is the same colour and nobody has to endure people gabbling on the train in some foreign language (except rich Japanese tourists, possibly). And it looks like Starmer's only too pleased to pander to this, being clearly a man to whom the aphorism "I have principals. And if you don't like them... well, I have others" couldn't be more apt. Surely it cannot be long before troublesome books in the English syllabus are replaced by things like Conan Doyle's "The White Company" where the yeoman heart of oak British folk triumph over volatile, cowardly garlic munching foreigners.

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    2. Paul Herber Silver badge

      "in the English syllabus are replaced by things like Conan Doyle's "

      more Scots Irish than English I think.

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        "English" is a language as well as a nationality. Even the US speaks something resembling it.

        (Who was it who valued the origins Cooks Tours as whe would always be welcomed in broken English by a broken Englishman?)

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          1. nobody who matters Silver badge

            If it is 'Scotch', then it will be a whisky ;)

            1. nobody who matters Silver badge

              Spelling not someones strongpoint I see.

              1. agurney
                Headmaster

                someones -> someone's

                1. nobody who matters Silver badge
                  Facepalm

                  Thank you; I missed that one!

                  Nothing like bad grammar to devalue criticism of the grammar/spelling of someone else.

                  1. Mark #255

                    I point you towards Muphry's Law

            2. Ian Johnston Silver badge

              Or a yoke.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      I'll agree broadly as an American.

      But I quibble on the "farmhand in North Dakota" line. There are few farmhands who vote. There are plenty English speaking farm *owners* who voted for the president to deport their farmhands and they are WELL taken care of here, so much so they have plenty of money to spaff on toys.

      A partial list of one local rancher's set up includes rifle-rated body armor and helmets, rifles, hi-spec night vision goggles equivalent or superior to the army issue tubes, ATVs to patrol the property, drones, and "King Ranch" pickups that start at $80k USD.

      The dude is rolling in cash, but the way he talks you'd think the feds were in the treeline trying to snatch him off his land and the blue-haired pronoun college people were besieging his property.

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        He hasn't noticed he's being ripped off by farm machinery repairs?

        1. 45RPM Silver badge

          Naw, he’s distracted by the perty mouths on them thar city boys.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          >He hasn't noticed he's being ripped off by farm machinery repairs?

          No because the crying in the ranching sector is mainly the lease for federal grazing lands per animal per month. Now that Trump has promised to sell all the land to Big Ag and other extraction companies on top of actively fucking them over by shutting down backdoor subsidies for substandard beef.

          Now he and some of the other local 'salt of the earth' are trying to agitate the government at state and federal levels into giving them money by funding a "study" that finds the wolves released by a neighboring blue state (CO) and coyotes are causing them losses of potential calves. Logic being the pack of 100 or so wolves 300+ miles away and the coyotes are so massively destructive it stresses out cattle into miscarrying or not fertilizing.

          1. Alumoi Silver badge
            Joke

            Now that's creative thinking!

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Conan Doyle's "The White Company"

      G.K. Chesterton might be a better example than Conan Doyle but incredibly nuanced to fit into a cut and dry argument.

      If you must have an empire then all roads will lead to ... and feet from that far flung empire will trek along those roads long after the empire is no more than a faint echo of history.

    5. nobody who matters Silver badge

      ...principles ;)

    6. agurney

      I think you mean "principles" not "principals", and I seem to remember enjoying "The White Company" when I came across that and the bookshelf of simlar tomes in the local library 60 years ago ... but I've also enjoyed troublesome works such as Peter Wright's Spycatcher and those of Solzhenitsyn (First Circle was stolen from me on a train in Yugoslavia .. but I didn't make a fuss as it was in the days of Tito).

      I've had some AI images created that bear a similarity to some of my stuff that's online, but they could probably be fobbed off as "derivative" - maybe that's why ChatGPT and their ilk have a tendency to misspell common words in their graphics renditions.

  9. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

    So which is it?

    "Freeze peach" or "inappropriate books", because those two things are contradictory...

    1. Jamie Jones Silver badge

      Re: So which is it?

      No contradiction. "Freedom for us to say and do what we want, you don't count"

      It's like "freedom of religion" - they spout that when it applies to Christianity, but not any other religion.

      And "you are free to protest against pride events, but don't you dare criticise the genocide by the country whose have given us millions. https://www.timesofisrael.com/miriam-adelson-gives-100-million-to-trump-campaign-making-good-on-reported-pledge/

  10. Eclectic Man Silver badge

    IP law

    The remarks about Musk may refer to the billionaire’s recent endorsement of Twitter founder Jack Dorsey’s desire to “Delete all IP law"

    I wonder how the likes of Microsoft, Oracle, SAP, Adobe etc. would feel about losing the 'rights' to their software products were that to occur.

  11. Tubz Silver badge

    So if I get some software, crack it and use for a couple of weeks to test it and then uninstall, I am not a pirate, as the use of copyrighted material doesn’t impact it's market or value, fair use will apply.?

    1. Long John Silver Silver badge
      Pirate

      Surely, even a 'true believer' in copyright should acknowledge that what you suggest deprives nobody of anything?

      That may be the simplest, least time-consuming, way to obtain a copy to evaluate. Perhaps if you like it, you will pay for it. Maybe, you run a company and decide to negotiate a price for the use of a hundred copies.

      In the realm of law-protected IP, caveat emptor carries little weight. Unless a product can be established as 'fit for purpose' before purchase, physical goods can be returned on the grounds of breach of contract.

      Woe betide someone seeking reimbursement for software, or an electronic book publication, failing to reach expectation. The same applies to a printed book: unless bought to serve the purpose of a doorstop, the physical incarnation is irrelevant.

    2. Falmari Silver badge
      Devil

      Impact on market or value only factor

      @Tubz "I am not a pirate, as the use of copyrighted material doesn’t impact it's market or value, fair use will apply.?"

      No, contrary to what AI companies would have us believe, impact on market or value is not the only factor to be considered when determining fair use, there are 4. They are (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/107):

      (1)the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

      (2)the nature of the copyrighted work;

      (3)the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

      (4)the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

      The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.

      To be fair use all four bars have to be crossed not just bar (4).

  12. Tron Silver badge

    Fair use may apply.

    No rational individual would consider AI to be a reliable or reputable alternative to an authoritative text produced by an expert. So in that sense, they are not competing with or reducing the value of the original. Lots of people may accept AI as 'probably good enough', but that is due to their own low standards and laziness. If they weren't using AI, they would ask for advice on social media or 4chan. That is the level that AI functions at. It isn't good enough to compete with reliable sources.

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Their rationale seems to be "if you can steal it, you can use it"

    Would be a shame if people discovered how to use (poison) their wares without paying

    1. Bbuckley

      You mean like the communist Chinese?

  14. Long John Silver Silver badge
    Pirate

    USA rentier economics facing its doom?

    The clash of the Titans in the USA is hotting up.

    Reduced manufacture in the US of physical goods, has made its economy, internal and with regard to international trade, more heavily dependent upon so-called Intellectual Property (IP) than before. Mr Trump's recently stated intention to protect 'Hollywood' from foreign competition, accords with this. Other areas of publishing are immensely influential too.

    We are witnessing a battle between two very powerful civilian components of the US economy: electronic technology and copyright dependent rentiers. IP is facing its inevitable 21st century demise, that is, at present, the copyright protected element.

    Neither side in the fight is motivated by a principled stand to defend copyright or by the increasingly unassailable arguments as to why copyright is culturally and economically destructive. The winner, undoubtedly the 'tech' side, will be decided by the might of lawyer power, political lobbying, and customary bribery; even AIPAC, which presumably stands for Hollywood, cannot prevail.

    Meanwhile, and regardless of events in the US, other nations, especially BRICS, will follow their own best interests.

  15. ComputerSays_noAbsolutelyNo Silver badge

    Money

    Buy yourself into a shitty party: a million dollars.

    Have the legal courts wrecked, when it serves your needs: priceless

    1. Bbuckley

      Re: Money

      the courts are fundamentally evil so yep, fuck them.

  16. PraiseOurLord

    Copyright is the most absurd concept humanity has created. It was lame prior to AI, and now it’s even more so. Hopefully it will be noted as a ridiculous law from prolimitive eras in history.

    1. 45RPM Silver badge

      I’ll take your praise, I’ll take your undying obedience, I’ll laugh as you all die in the ridiculous wars you have in my name (whilst claiming that in some way I care about and love you all). And then I’ll kick sand in your face, and grind you into the dirt, as you sing your gratitude to me.

      This is equally true of Donald Trump, or the logical manifestation of the fiction promulgated by the major faiths of this world.

    2. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

      "You keep using that word, somehow I don't think it means what you think it means."

      I can find very few citations for the word "prolimitive," but it would appear to relate to setting a future (pro-) temporal limit (-limitive) on an activity.

      The problem with using big words to try to make yourself look clever is that, if you use them wrongly, you don't.

      The rest of your post was bollocks as well.

  17. FuzzyTheBear Silver badge
    Flame

    Dissent

    If you dissent you will be fired or jailed. That's the fascist way. That's the new American way .There's 4 more years of it .. get used to it.

  18. Bbuckley

    Elon is right. Sack the DEI idiots IMO.

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