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Meta's Reality Labs division continued its losing streak with another $4.2 billion down the drain in the first quarter of 2025. CEO Mark Zuckerberg's stated priorities on Wednesday's earnings call suggest his metaverse dream is well and truly over. The social media giant released its first-quarter earnings report, beating …

  1. IGotOut Silver badge
    Mushroom

    FFS

    "Meta has made demonstrable progress with AI and it's benefiting people now," Proulx continued"

    How?

    Give me one fucking good example of how it's benefitting people, you arse kissing fuckwitt. All you cretinous type of people do is spout whatever bullshit the Tech bros and marketing divisions throw at you, without question, without any critical thinking. Just to get your pathetic voice out there.

    No doubt they're the sort of prick that vomits up motivational quotes on LinkedIn.

    1. Decay

      Re: FFS

      Upvote for nailing it.

    2. Sorry that handle is already taken. Silver badge

      Re: FFS

      I'll try: It benefits people in the same way that cocaine producers enrich their local communities?

      1. Like a badger

        Re: FFS

        A quote from an old IMF report that considered the conceptual idea of including the black economy in national accounts: "By category, illegal drugs add $111 billion to measured nominal <US> GDP in 2017, illegal prostitution adds $10 billion, illegal gambling adds $4 billion, and theft from businesses adds $109 billion.

        You can probably double or treble those numbers today.

        1. Irongut Silver badge

          Re: FFS

          Rubber tarrifs gonna really eat into that 10 billion. lol

        2. that one in the corner Silver badge

          Re: FFS

          > A quote from an old IMF report

          The Secretary has disavowed any knowledge of this.

          Well, we did warn you, Jim.

      2. hedgie

        Re: FFS

        The producers less than the sellers. Like the "Old Dope Peddler" and his powdered happiness.

      3. MrRtd

        Re: FFS

        Are you suggesting leaving the cocaine industry largely in the hands of gangs is not the ideal option?

    3. Baird34

      Re: FFS

      Motivational quotes such as 'Work sets you free'.

    4. TheMaskedMan Silver badge

      Re: FFS

      "No doubt they're the sort of prick that vomits up motivational quotes on LinkedIn."

      Nonono, the sort of prick that uses AI to vomit up motivational quotes.

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: FFS

        Let's be accurate here. They're demotivational quotes.

    5. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: FFS

      When it's "Benefitting People", you're not 'people'. You're a resource or a data object.

      'People' are the board and /or major shareholders.

      Those people will definitely benefit from AI.

      You won't.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: FFS

        "You're a resource or a data object."

        When you are no longer referenced by any other such object you will be garbage collected. :)

        (Hopefully these clowns use reference counting so we might survive by referencing other garbage and they us. :)

    6. AdamWill

      Re: FFS

      well, I spent like three days this week reading the last nine months of the upstream git changelog for openQA, in preparation for updating Fedora's package and deployment of it. It's important to do this so I spot any changes which need to be accounted for in the package or the deployment config.

      Today I got curious, so I fed the entire changelog into Gemini (2.5 pro; 2.0 flash absolutely choked on the volume) and asked it to summarize it for me, first for a sysadmin, then for a distro packager, highlighting important changes.

      It, uh, did a pretty good job, I've gotta say. It was fairly concise, organized, and found the most important changes. It didn't make anything significant up (it got the name of one script wrong, but still explained the change to it accurately), or get anything obviously significantly wrong. Did it get every little detail? No. But then after three days my brain didn't remember every detail either, it just had a vague sense of the most important areas of change. I'd say the results of both approaches were pretty comparable, but one took me three days, the other took Gemini a couple of minutes.

      I hate to think how much carbon it burned to do that, but hey, I'd definitely characterize it as *useful*.

      1. Decay

        Re: FFS

        My experience has been similar, give it the material to summarize or compare and it does a good job, it even makes a fair attempt at commenting code, probably better than I could but I am not a developer or coder so that's not a high bar. But once you ask it to modify or alter the code that's where it get hairy, it's damm good at writing code that looks at first glance reasonable but breaks when run or meets any type of edge case. Which to be honest is fine. Use it to spark the creative juices, to get you started or show you an approach you didn't consider. Then take over yourself. It's a glorified calculator insofar as you need to check the output and genuinely understand the output to error check it.

        A calculator doesn't make stuff up but we have all fat fingered a key or mistyped and ended up with a nonsensical result. Assume every output from the LLM needs similar review and you can get some stuff done. But if you don't understand the ask, don't understand the output, in short if you are not a domain expert in the topic you are asking it, you are playing Russian roulette.

  2. jake Silver badge

    One wonders if they ...

    ... will wind up throwing more money away on the obviously bogus AI than they did on the obviously bogus VR ... and by how much.

    Dumbasses, the lot of 'em.

    1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

      Re: One wonders if they ...

      I think the tech people that have founded companies and moved into defence, like Anduril, have got it right. Their stuff is no more likely to make money than AI or the metaverse - but the difference is that you can fail for a decade in defence - if you've got the right Powerpoint slides - and get paid development money upfront. Lovely profits! So at least you're quids-in - even if your product is a steaming pile of horse manure.

  3. CapeCarl

    Rebrand (again) as....

    "AIaverse"...Said rebranding still works if AI fails to have legs.

    1. Sandtitz Silver badge

      Re: Rebrand (again) as....

      Remember the AIamo!

  4. Baird34

    He can't!

    He can't! I've just finished designing my avatar in paint. I spent flippin ages on that. :(

    1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge
      Happy

      Re: He can't!

      I'm just going to ask his AI to make mine for me. Problem solved.

      Given my (lack of) skills in paint, it's either that or scan something I've drawn in crayon.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: He can't!

        Oooh! You have a copy of their business plan then? I hear that was drawn up in crayon.

        1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

          Re: He can't!

          They have a plan?

  5. Sorry that handle is already taken. Silver badge

    Whoops

    Even though it's in the name, I had completely forgotten about Zuck's metaverse pivot. Sixty billion is incredible, but I'm happy for them to waste as much of their own money as possible.

    Incidentally I re-watched The Future is a Dead Mall the other day. A different metaverse, sure, but the conclusion can probably only really be the same.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Whoops

      "but I'm happy for them to waste as much of their own money as possible"

      Unfortunately the source of the money is companies who advertise on Meta, so it's in the price of products you buy. Whilst some you can boycott, there's often limits to that.

      1. veti Silver badge

        Re: Whoops

        There's a catch: to boycott the companies, you'd have to know who they were. You'd have to actually use Facebook or whatever to find out.

    2. tmTM

      Re: Sixty billion is incredible

      Where has it gone?? Where?

      Apart from releasing another generation of VR headsets, where has all this money gone? It's not like the VR library is stacked with amazing apps, not for the money they've thrown up the wall.

      I'm genuinely stumped.

  6. elsergiovolador Silver badge

    Roadkill

    Once upon a fiscal quarter, Meta fancied itself the architect of our digital Eden. A world beyond screens, beyond flesh, where we’d all sit in sterile conference rooms without legs, drifting through Zuckerberg’s cartoon dreamscape in Ray-Bans and spiritual despair. It was a vision so grand, so utterly disconnected from human desire, it burned $60 billion trying to convince us we wanted it.

    The Metaverse is roadkill under the AI bandwagon.

    The endgame? Meta makes ads with AI, targets you with AI, responds with AI, and soon - just wait - lets bots read the ads, click the links, and buy the products. A perfect closed loop. No humans required. Just algorithms whispering sweet nothings to each other over sponsored content.

    1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

      Re: Roadkill

      Pure poety. I am inspired! In tribute As a hideous insult to the mighty Wordsworth:

      I wandered lonely in The Cloud™

      That legless floats over o'er cubicles low,

      When all at once I saw a crowd

      a host, of golden VC dough;

      Beside the lake, upon the plain,

      Fluttering and pouring down the drain.

      ...

      Continuous as the stars that shine

      And twinkle in the beautious sky,

      They pour in never-ending line

      Into the burning pyre of AI.

      Ten billion see I, as I gaze,

      Tossing their cash into the blaze.

    2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: Roadkill

      "The Metaverse is roadkill under the AI bandwagon."

      AI, of course, is destined to be roadkill under the next bandwagon that comes along. Possibly quantum something but who knows?

      I'm amazed that manglements seem to to have realise that the really life-changing technologies often arrive without great hoo-hah and often with comparatively investment needed so they still chase after the bandwagons, blithely scattering huge wodges of cash as they go.

      1. elsergiovolador Silver badge

        Re: Roadkill

        It's all about surviving to the next bonus round and then moving onto the next company!

    3. Billy Twillig
      Big Brother

      Re: Roadkill

      Now that’s the Singularity.

  7. jake Silver badge

    "Just algorithms whispering sweet nothings to each other over sponsored content."

    I'm not all that certain that most of so-called "social" media isn't just that already.

  8. An_Old_Dog Silver badge

    "Losing" $6 Billion in Five Years

    How did they do that? As a guess, one or more of:

    * Bodacious office parties.

    * "Rounding errors".

    * Fraudulent accounting to reduce Zuck's empire-wide tax liabilities.

    1. Jonte Monkey

      Re: "Losing" $6 Billion in Five Years

      Not $6 billion....$60 billion.

      1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge
        Happy

        Re: "Losing" $6 Billion in Five Years

        Not $6 billion....$60 billion.

        So. they were really good parties!

        1. veti Silver badge

          Re: "Losing" $6 Billion in Five Years

          100,000 people at an average spend of $10k per month per person.

          That's some serious partying.

    2. Merchant of Venefice

      Re: "Losing" $6 Billion in Five Years

      Another possible answer:

      "It is very easy, when you don't know what you are trying to achieve."

      AI, anyone? Or may I perhaps offer you these fine tulip-bulb futures instead?

  9. BinkyTheMagicPaperclip Silver badge

    Ugh.. I hope this doesn't kill VR

    The parallels between VR and AI are there - both are useful technologies in their own right, both were relentlessly grifted in the early days, and both need a fair bit of investment to achieve their potential.

    The problem, as ever, is that eventually a technology finds its niche, and that niche is a niche, it's not a majority mass market product. Worse, almost all VR products (in difference to AI) are relentlessly proprietary. Yes, there are open source alternatives but they're rarely equivalent.

    It takes a lot of money to develop a decent VR product. It takes more money to develop a decent VR product than the equivalent flat screen experience, and the cost/hours of entertainment ratio is usually significantly lower (other than outliers, such as Skyrim VR).

    I've a Rift CV1, an Oculus Go, a Lenovo WMR, and a Playstation VR2 (plus PC adapter). All of them are decent products and have generated decent experiences (Lone Echo is the closest I want to get to a real space walk..). I've never used them for social VR experiences and have no intention of doing so. The headsets aren't actually used that often simply because it always requires strapping a device to your face, and often you don't want to do that, or to have it take over your entire view. However when I do use them I enjoy the experience (Rez Infinite is stunningly trippy in VR, SuperHOT is excellent, Google Earth remains the hands down killer VR app, and it's fun to do virtual sculpting or render a mathematical formulae in 3D and rotate it in stereoscopy using your hands) and wouldn't want to be without them.

    Meta, *please* release the source code if you stop supporting your VR headsets. I don't want to go down the route of WMR where it's now unsupported in the latest Windows 11 build, and you need to stay on Windows 10 to continue using it.

    1. 0laf Silver badge
      Thumb Up

      Re: Ugh.. I hope this doesn't kill VR

      VR uses?

      In order -

      Porn

      Gaming

      Selling kitchens

      1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge
        Coat

        Re: Ugh.. I hope this doesn't kill VR

        Surely they can all be combined in one app / activity / fetish...

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          Re: Ugh.. I hope this doesn't kill VR

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          1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge
            Happy

            Re: Ugh.. I hope this doesn't kill VR

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            BTW, I wish to register a complaint! Every time I see your username, I have 80s Madonna running through my head, singing:

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      2. Bebu sa Ware

        Re: Ugh.. I hope this doesn't kill VR

        VR uses?

        In order -

        Porn

        Gaming + porn

        Selling kitchens + porn (No? A sheltered life?)

        A bit like MacD's fries porn goes with anything.

        I would have thought generative AI and VR would have been marriage made in heaven misalliance made in hell but exceeding profitable nonetheless. AI's penchant extraneous, non-contiguous limbs, heads and "other bits" while exceedingly weird, would certainly keep things fresh.

  10. Michael Hoffmann Silver badge
    Trollface

    HTF does Reality Labs bleed SIXTY BILLION US DOLLARS in FIVE years?

    I look forward to what those subtitles will look like once the AI bubble bursts.

    "HTF does <AI monger> bleed <we need to start using mathematical notations for the numbers involved> in <will we even get to 5 years?> years?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: HTF does Reality Labs bleed SIXTY BILLION US DOLLARS in FIVE years?

      <Meta AI Lab enters the chat>

      Hold my beer!

      1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

        Re: HTF does Reality Labs bleed SIXTY BILLION US DOLLARS in FIVE years?

        Softbank: Hold my whisky!

  11. Groo The Wanderer - A Canuck

    Well, we built these prototypes, see, but they required a PS5 top of the line console for each eye display, and a specialized 1440p 2HD pair of microdisplays that cost us about $25,000USD for each experimental rig. Once we got Quake II Remastered running on it, there was a run on developers and "developers assistants" ordering the rigs to play the game in VR mode...

  12. ComputerSays_noAbsolutelyNo Silver badge

    Ponzi-Tech

    Isn't promising "AI will write the code of future AI" an admission of running a Ponzi scheme?

    Future investors will pay for current profits sounds awfully similar.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Ponzi-Tech

      Isn't promising "AI will write the code of future AI" an admission of running a Ponzi scheme? Future investors will pay for current profits sounds awfully similar.

      Pretty much plot of how Deep Thought caused the Magrathean constructors to build Earth (twice) to answer the ultimate question. (The meaning of life, the Universe and everything. ) Notably the transdimensional white mice, presumably the contracted project managers chose to sod off with the dosh when things started looking a bit grim.

      I frequently wonder what Douglas Adams would have made of our world which each day manages to surpass his satire and his sense of the ridiculous.

  13. Torben Mogensen

    Siphoning money away?

    As an old dog mentioned earlier, there is a good chance that a large part of the loss is just siphoning money away to overseas accounts by grossly inflating the cost of "services" rendered by some some shell company.

    This is a well-known tax-evasion ploy. For example, the Coca Cola company sells concentrates for hugely inflated prices to its manufacturers in Europe, so these never show profit, so they don't pay tax. This is called "transfer pricing", and is apparently legal.

    1. David Hicklin Silver badge

      Re: Siphoning money away?

      So instead governments claw it back with a sugar tax

  14. Locomotion69 Bronze badge
    Facepalm

    From one dead horse to another

    The new name is Metareverse then.

    And the industry fails to understand that its existence is based on them providing solutions to the needs of the people. And yet, they keep introducing solutions to a problem nobody has.

    Neither the metaverse nor AI offer solutions to real-life problems to the extend that their cost outweight the savings.

    1. Like a badger

      Re: From one dead horse to another

      Arguably the Metaverse provides a solution to the needs of the investment industry, where fuckwits playing with other people's money need to make huge bets (that are going to go sour).

      With the amount of money that is being talked about being thrown at AI in general we're looking at yet another investment bubble. McKinsey (as reported here) reckon their low case will see 3.7 trillion committed by 2030. If the bubble bursts half way, that's still $2 trillion of misinvestment and you know who will be bailing out all the idiot banks....

  15. Slow Joe Crow

    With billions in losses and minimal sales, you have to ask how much of the budget was spent on hookers and blow?

    1. Excused Boots Silver badge
      Coat

      "With billions in losses and minimal sales, you have to ask how much of the budget was spent on hookers and blow?”

      And, indeed how much was just wasted...?

  16. trevorde Silver badge

    Apple will nail this

    Just wait until Apple releases the Vision Pro Lite goggles at only $2000 USD (before tariffs). This will be a bargain and will sell boatloads!

  17. spold Silver badge

    Lessons not learned....

    1. VR hardware is expensive - you better have something compelling for people to purchase it at scale or you lose money fast due to development and production costs.

    2. Get a grip on the engineers! They will have produced version 21 of the hardware before you have even recouped the design costs of version 20 - the more you sell the more money you lose.

    3. Trad flatscreen experience coders/authors are usually poor at 3D immersive environments - they don't get that if you were looking the wrong way it didn't happen.

    4. Complete lack of standards meaning experience authoring costs are high across platforms.

    5. Headsets that look like a diving mask, glasses that make you look like Joe 90 or the Borg.

    6. Lack of compelling experiences beyond games and gimmicks - your audience is also not in the high earning category.

    7. Major - Legal - Little Jimmy spends all his time in VR worlds, now he needs glasses (he would have done anyway) - class action lawsuits!

    8. Completeness of vision - you really need to have VR, AR, telepresence, and teledildonics.

    9. Privacy - what happens in VR worlds is subject to what legislation? AR and video recording... remember Glassholes?

    AR has a much more compelling business case than VR if you can avoid creepy glasses and implement Privacy by Design: This is Fred, at the last meeting he spoke about carrots and you agreed to speak to the rabbits. This is Jane, you met at the conference last year, she drinks gin and tonics and has a pony. This is your son David, don't worry you have had a few memory problems and are in hospital, everything is OK.

    (For context I used to be product manager for immersive virtual reality systems at IBM (Project Elysium in conjunction with the UK company Virtuality)... in 1995. What goes around comes around, sometimes people have not learned the lessons).

    1. spold Silver badge

      Re: Lessons not learned....

      ..oh.. p.s. the prime IBM interest was in the experience authoring system for developers... powered by a couple of cards stuffed in an IBM PS/2 - each card had a couple of IBM RS/6000 processors acting as GPUs. The number developed must have been under 100 (likely much less) so not a big finance success (nothing changed there either). The VR hardware (head mounted display, EM source, and pressure grip and spatial hand attachment (better than what I have seen on the market today) were produced by Virtuality. Graphics were crap compared to today but that isn't surprising. They had 6D tracking (x,y,z, yaw, pitch, roll) which was nice.

      p.s. Newcastle United purchased one for the executive lounge mostly to play games (it was compatible with Virtuality's game systems) - mostly a failure as they had literally carpeted the walls of the lounge - the amount of static generated completely buggered up the electro-magnetic position sensing systems.

      p.p.s. in my original post Glassholes refers to the original Google Glasses owners, the device recorded video of whoever you were talking to - hence "avoid that Glasshole!".

  18. Henry Wertz 1 Gold badge

    Secondlife

    Secondlife (which was often referred to as Sadville on El Reg) did (and does, it's still around) everything the metaverse claimed to do. HTF did they spend these billions indeed. Linden spent well under $100 million and have land ownership, sellable items, shared space and avatars that don't look all crappy like the metaverse pics I've seen.

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