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Duolingo has become the latest tech outfit to attempt to declare itself 'AI-first,' with CEO Luis von Ahn telling staff the biz hopes to gradually phase out contractors for work neural networks can take over. In the letter, which Duolingo shared on LinkedIn, von Ahn told employees the language-learning outfit would "gradually …

  1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

    "small hits on quality"

    "My hovercraft is full of eels"

    1. Mentat74

      Re: "small hits on quality"

      "I will not buy this record... It is scratched..."

      1. cyberdemon Silver badge
        Devil

        But but but

        AI has absolutely no detrimental effect on jobs! None at all! A bunch of economists have spoken! It's all just a productivity tool, it's not destroying the planet and it's the best thing since sliced Bitcoin!

        1. hedgie

          Re: But but but

          There are probably layers of executives that could successfully be replaced by AI, and just imagine the savings! And since both are amoral, soulless, lacking in empathy, not capable of true thought or any creativity whatsoever, the only difference we'd notice is that machines could be programmed with an actual set of rules to follow even if they lack in proper ethics.

          Perhaps it's time for major shareholders everywhere to get behind this move, since it'll mean more money for them.

          1. imanidiot Silver badge

            Re: But but but

            There are layers of executives that could even more effectively be replaced by a stuffed bear sitting in a chair. That's not an argument for AI. IMHO if a manager could be replaced easily by an AI that manager isn't required anyway.

            1. hedgie

              Re: But but but

              Yeah. My current workplace is probably in danger of accumulating those with all of the growth we've had in the past few years. But what we really need is a few more manglers, I mean managers closer to the trenches, and even a couple more minions capable of passing the background checks to do my job (mostly sleeping through my shift, but for contractual reasons need people with squeaky clean recent records).

  2. elsergiovolador Silver badge

    This time

    not-contractor> Now make "Submit" button centred.

    AI> Here I have updated your code and button is now centred.

    not-contractor> You have centred all buttons! Please revert and try again, this time focus on "Submit" button only!

    AI> Ok as requested, I have reverted the changes and now the "Submit" button is focused.

    not-contrator> Where is my form? Why did you delete everything and only left the "Submit" button?

    AI> This is what you asked me to do. I have reverted the changes and focused the "Submit" button by adding ".button-focused" style. Do you want me to help with anything else?

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: This time

      For their business it makes a lot of sense.

      AI: make a video of human saying $PHRASE. Repeat for spreadsheet of $PHRASE in 50 languages

      No AI: hire 50 actors who are native speakers of 50 languages.

      Hire video crew.

      Spend 50 hours shooting

      Spend 50 hours editing

      1. elsergiovolador Silver badge

        Re: This time

        Why would you shoot native speakers?

        1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

          Re: This time

          There is an English version of Duolingo which is just English-speaking people talking foreign very loudly

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: This time

            I think you will find DOGE deleted Voice of America, and it's splendid News in Slow.

        2. Excused Boots Silver badge
          Trollface

          Re: This time

          "Why would you shoot native speakers?”

          It’s cheaper than flying them to El Salvador.....

          Yes, Ok I’m getting my coat right now........

        3. cookiecutter

          Re: This time

          The British made an empire out of it

      2. werdsmith Silver badge

        Re: This time

        There are no real human videos in Duolingo, it's all really weird cartoon like characters.

        1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

          Re: This time

          Presumably for the cost reasons above - but even drawing a cartoon once is expensive

      3. IGotOut Silver badge

        Re: This time

        "AI: make a video of human saying $PHRASE. Repeat for spreadsheet of $PHRASE in 50 languages"

        Good luck with any language where the phrase you say is completely dependent on the situation and who you are speaking to, or even worse, tonal languages such as Thai.

        1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

          Re: This time

          You don't have to use the AI for translation - and Duolingo probably don't

          But to generate cartoon videos of people speaking you don't need to be perfectly Shakespearean

  3. munnoch Silver badge

    Duos

    I wouldn't want to work for a company that refers to its employees as "Duos" anyway.

  4. Gerhard den Hollander

    Glad I ditched it.

    I stopped my duolingo subscription because it took up too much of my time and was not actually helping me learn Finnish ( unless the topic of conversation was parakeets. Duolingo Finnish has lots of sentences involving parakeets)

    But using AI ?

    A moose once but my sister.

    We apologise for the temporary drop in quality. The people who hired the AI have been sacked.

    Moosebites can be quite nasty.

    We apologise again, all staff that is not AI has now also been sacked.

    Bloody wankers

    1. hedgie

      Re: Glad I ditched it.

      I cancelled mine for other reasons. I'd still like to get back into practice with Spanish, since even in California,[1] and properly learning German[2], but yeah. A lot of the app seemed to not cover important things, and expect that you knew odd bits of grammar that suddenly started popping up for the first time.

      [1] I haven't used it in years beyond giving directions to strangers.

      [2] Even fewer opportunities to properly practice.

    2. chivo243 Silver badge

      Re: Glad I ditched it.

      yeah, no more real photos in your profile, no more forums!! When renewal comes up... I think I'm done.

  5. Omnipresent Silver badge

    deleted

    i just just deleted it off my phone.

  6. Alien Doctor 1.1

    I have to wonder, given the amount of crap on the intertubes,how many Latin verbs can be correctly conjugated by an LLM.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    So we can all start speaking Spanish like ChatGPT? Caramba.

  8. Excused Boots Silver badge

    What can possibly go wrong?

    That is all, as you were!

  9. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    "an acceptable price to pay for moving quickly in the AI arms race."

    The price, of course, will be paid by customers. Duolingo will hope to gain the benefit.

    In circumstances like these one hopes the fired contractors will get together and set up in opposition.

  10. Brad Ackerman
    Holmes

    If they wanted cost savings, they'd focus on highly-paid people who are unlikely to be doing a better job than a potted ficus. So how much are they going to save by replacing the CEO with ChatGPT?

    1. Dave559

      If they wanted cost savings, they'd focus on highly-paid people who are unlikely to be doing a better job than a potted ficus. So how much are they going to save by replacing the CEO with ChatGPT?

      Gronda, gronda?

      (A language that Duolingo probably doesn't offer…)

  11. Grindslow_knoll

    Turn of phrase?

    It'd be nice if they'd offer turn of phrase(s) that match the language, instead of replacing their workforce with the current features but them automated.

  12. Jimbali

    Well the AI couldn't possibly do worse job of developing it than the humans have. All they care about it driving engagement. Utterly useless for actually learning languages.

    1. Neil Barnes Silver badge
      Headmaster

      I have to admit to a certain fascination with language learning: even with four years total immersion in German, I am still unable fully to express myself with anything like my fluency in English, nor to follow a complex program - say, a detailed news item or a political discussion - on the TV or radio.

      I note the difference between the Duolingo course (it's not English->German, it's American->German and they're _not_ the same) and tutored classes: the first has you learning long lists of answers mostly by wrote with zero feedback except 'right' or 'wrong' (for example, when I did it, a single incorrect letter in an answer (including using a correct English spelling rather than the American) would make it wrong with no explanation); the second teaches you not German but German grammar... fine for an academic but not so good for someone who just wants a pound of tomatoes or to know who's Chancellor this week.

      Surely there must be a half-way house - German As She Is Spoke? - that I have not yet discovered. Duolingo certainly isn't it; in its beginnings, when they _promised_ there would be no adverts nor charges (hah!) it wasn't too bad, but once they started that idiotic 'gamifying' of the courses it became silly - and very irritating.

      1. CountCadaver Silver badge

        My uni used to do "Holiday <language>" which taught you words and phrases you could use, as well as the <language> ntensive which taught you instead to think in the chosen language so rather than trying to convert English to <language> you were learning the grammar rules and after some examples, asked to formulate a different phrase, worked really well. We had a Spanish tutor whose folks left during the Spanish civil war and a another tutor from Mexico (and yes she definitely had the hot temper downpat, lovely lady....just not wise to get on her bad side or irk her on bad days )

      2. druck Silver badge

        My wife is trying improving her German with it, but from what I can overhear, most of it seems to involve grill parties (BBQs).

  13. An_Old_Dog Silver badge

    Dubious Mentality

    Mr. von Ahn writes of (fake) AI as if there was some race to be won, with a big trophy, a big bottle of champaigne, and tons of money to be awarded to the "winner".

    Instead, he's climbing onto yet another fad train.

    That fad train is much-less like the love train and much-more like the train in Jethro Tull's Locomotive Breath:

    "Charley stole the handle, and train it won't stop, no.

    No way to slow down."

  14. harrys Bronze badge

    If i had a million pounds!!!

    I'd spend it all on training an ML system to shadow CEO's and eventually replace them

    It'll be shite, but still shareholders will demand it replaces them

    ps a mill prob not enuf :)

  15. MachDiamond Silver badge

    Why apply?

    A company with a stated goal of replacing humans with machines will find it hard to find the people they need. How many will want to take a job where one Friday, they're handed an envelope with their last pay, severance and the time for the exit meeting with a note to leave their badge and laptop with security on the way out (all delivered via a robot).

    People will take those jobs. People at the hardware store always try to shunt me to the self-checkout. As I always wind up needing somebody to come over to sort something out, I just use the staffed checkout. I've asked why these employees are chivvying people to the machines that are meant to be replacing them. They do because they are told to. It like your company outsourcing your job or hiring a freshout at half salary to replace you and wanting you to train them up before your last day.

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