back to article China now America's number one cyber threat – US must get up to speed

Russia used to be considered America's biggest adversary online, but over the past couple of years China has taken the role, and is proving highly effective at it. This shift was signified by the Volt Typhoon attacks against the US last year, retired Rear Admiral Mark Montgomery told the RSA Conference in San Francisco on …

  1. alain williams Silver badge

    And yet Trump attacks CISA

    He wages war on Krebs as, for him, personal vendetta is more important than security of the nation of which he is commander in chief.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: And yet Trump attacks CISA

      We have met the enemy and he is us

  2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    "retired Rear Admiral Mark Montgomery"

    Trump must be upset. Retirees can't be fired for telling it how it is.

    1. Steve Foster

      Not fired, no.

      But they probably have a pension that can be "accidentally" cancelled/removed. Or claim they're a member of a south american drugs gang and surrepticiously deport them to El Salvador.

      EDIT: Isn't there some mechanism for service retirees to be recalled back to active duty? Then he could be court-martialled...

      1. DS999 Silver badge

        EDIT: Isn't there some mechanism for service retirees to be recalled back to active duty? Then he could be court-martialled...

        Yes I believe any former officer can be called back to active duty and then court martialed. I don't think he'd actually follow through with that scenario though, because he'd look a fool when the fake charges were dismissed before they had time to put in their lunch orders. Unless he fires all the generals/admirals and replaces them with MAGA moron loyalists, but I have to think if there's something that would make even republicans vote to impeach and convict Trump it would be trying a stunt like that with the US military.

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    2. Andrew Scott Bronze badge

      actually sounds like he comes from the Boston mass area. he can use wicked in a sentence properly.

  3. Grindslow_knoll

    "So it's very hard to get American people excited about, committed to, or patriotic about, a military crisis in Taiwan if at the same moment your ATM is not working, your power is intermittent, and/or your water system is compromised."

    From the reports I try to avoid, most Americans are bracing for impact for a recession, with consumer confidence as low as with Covid.

    An ATM not working is relevant only if you have money to withdraw.

    The American people have no control over what funding goes to cybersecurity.

    You could have legislation that makes companies (and their directors) liable for demonstrable lax security, but good luck getting that through a company funded congress.

    It is also somewhat hard to believe that a country with such a massive defense industry cannot harden its infrastructure, in my understanding (D)ARPANet's raison d'etre was to federate communication networks to avoid a decapitation strike.

    1. martinusher Silver badge

      Today's bit of unpatriotic behavior is the plan by Amazon to itemize the effects the tariffs have on product prices -- which if Temu's anything to go by means "more than doubling them". Apparently if you don't talk about the effects of tariffs then nobody will notice (or will blame the prices on Biden etc.).

      No amount of patriotic bluster can compensate for endemic stupidity. Economies have fairly long lead times, you can't just turn them on and off like a switch. Annoying other countries -- insulting them, causing them unnecessary problems -- is inexcusable and will have long term economic impacts. As for Taiwan, we're giving the people there a really good reason to interact with the mainland rather than the US -- the mainland is reliable, stable and a decent trading partner while the US is currently proving to be mercurial, unreliable and chronically self-centered.

      BTW -- The ordure has already hit the air mover. Freight bookings, both import and export, are down substantially for the Ports of LA and Long Beach and isn't just for China traffic. (UK readers -- these are the main West Coast ports of the US; to say they're huge would be a major understatement.) This has had a knock on effect through the entire manufacturing and retail sector. The supply chain should empty in six to eight weeks, then.... (But we should have a major military parade to look forward to sometime in late July..not quite a torchlight rally but in the same vein.)

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        "the plan by Amazon to itemize the effects the tariffs have on product prices"

        That's going to be problematic for marketplace orders fulfilled direct from China because nobody - not even Trump - will know what the tariff will be when it's delivered. The only way round that is going to be to order at list price and collect the tariff (plus handling) on delivery and it would certainly be necessary to display a message to that effect on the listing. good luck with keeping that hidden from the customer.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      I don't think many people in the US get the connection between cybersecurity and critical infrastructure. They just assume that unless the US is invaded, their eletricity will flow, they can buy gas(oline), traffic lights will work, they can complain on the Internet, etc..

    3. DS999 Silver badge

      Just the big recession

      That Trump has already guaranteed us, plus all the other chaos he's causing, is sufficient cover for the US populace to not put it high on their priority list of things to care about if China started a naval blockade of Taiwan. Yeah Europe will care but they still will care more about Putin because he's a threat to them and China isn't, and lack the resources to effectively contest China if the US is standing on the sidelines.

      China won't start it anytime soon though. Xi is doing the right thing in the trade war by standing up to Trump and refusing to even start to negotiate until he backs down on the tariffs, letting him twist in the wind. China wouldn't want to be in a military campaign after they've left Trump thoroughly humiliated and forced to come crawling to Xi begging for some way out of the hole he dug for himself. Otherwise he might talk himself into war with China to salve his shattered ego and think the "wartime president" thing will boost his soon to be cratering (it is starting now but wait until we're in the midst of a recession and his own MAGA people start turning on him) approval ratings.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    What hope is there?

    "Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Kristi Noem had her handbag - with $3,000 (£2,260) in cash inside - stolen from her while dining at a Washington, DC, restaurant.

    Noem confirmed during the White House Easter Egg Roll on Monday morning that she fell victim to the theft, saying the matter had not been "resolved yet".

    Her bag contained several personal items in addition to the cash, including her driver's license, passport and DHS access badge, law enforcement sources told BBC's US partner CBS News. "

    BBC website, 8 days ago.

    'nuff said.

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: What hope is there?

      I take it that the downvote is an expression of disgust with DHS Sec getting her access badge stolen. It couldn't possibly be for reporting that the Beeb reported CBS reporting it, could it?

  5. DerekCurrie
    Megaphone

    Getting Real About China Cyber Espionage

    China's cyber attack strategy against the USA began in 1998, the year they were ironically given "Most Favored Nation" status by the Clinton administration. It began with the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) assisting in the formation of the Red Hacker Alliance from disparate citizen hackers. With time, this group grew and became an integral part of the Chinese communist government's military. In 2007, nine years after the CCP's strategy had begun, the US federal government admitted that every federal Windows PC connected to the Internet had been infected with Chinese bots that actively sent data from those machines to Beijing. Since that time, the Chinese government has been implicated in endless cyber-crime against the USA and the rest of the world in search for not just government and military secrets, but for IP (intellectual property) it could use to modernize the country and create its own manufacturing and worldwide distribution base.

    And only now we hear someone say "China now America's number one cyber threat"?

    Here is a detailed timeline, from CSIS (the Center for Strategic and International Studies), of Chinese espionage crimes against the USA, helping to illustrate that not only now has China been America's number one cyber threat:

    Survey of Chinese Espionage in the United States Since 2000

    "This updated survey is based on publicly available information and lists 224 reported instances of Chinese espionage directed at the United States since 2000."

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Getting Real About China Cyber Espionage

      I'm 60, when I was 13 my Dad (former army spy - pre-NSA) told me China is the real enemy, their government believes they are the ruler of the world. Russia, is a mash of mafia type that are to greedy to have survivability. we see that today with one mafia boss in change now.

      China will take over the earth, or have a civil revolution and remove the greedy - old news, Xi is not giving up power, it wants it all. Learn about him to know.

      Xi is planning his move on RU land soon, since putin is getting weaker and starting to be reliant on Xi's back deals to use NK troops.

      1. martinusher Silver badge

        Re: Getting Real About China Cyber Espionage

        I think you'll find that using NK troops was more optional than necessity. The RU used them in areas of Kursk that were under UA occupation, the NK getting up to the minute experience in modern war fighting. (Which is either a very good or very bat thing, depending on your perspective (before this they were essentially frozen in the 1950s).)

      2. Nasu

        Re: Getting Real About China Cyber Espionage

        Your father fed you propaganda.

        Here is why.

        As of September 2022,

        171,736 troops of The United States Empire OFFICIALLY occupy

        *178 countries,

        In addition, the Empire has

        *around 750 U.S. military bases

        *in at LEAST 80 countries,

        *INCLUDING 90,000 occupation forces at more than 200 military bases in East and South-East Asia including

        * Japan,

        *South Korea,

        *Thailand,

        *Australia,

        *Singapore ,

        *the Philippines , and now *Taiwan....COUNTRIES SURROUNDING CHINA.

        Now...you do China And

        Let's see which country REALLY wants to dominate the world

  6. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

    "we preached that China did intellectual property theft,"

    Now after further work with the calipers we have determined that the Asiatics are capable of thinking.

    In response we have got rid of all the geeks and poindextors in the US forces and strive for a more lethal military.

  7. Mitoo Bobsworth Silver badge

    "...and corporates to be held accountable"

    And in other news, Bigfoot found Jimmy Hoffa living with aliens after Area 51 opened its doors to the public.

  8. martinusher Silver badge

    Looking in the wrong direction, as usual

    They say that generals -- and by extension, admirals -- are always preparing to fight the last war. For many, this is still the Cold War. Mentally they're still fighting the Soviet Union.

    Today marks the 50th anniversary of the fall of Saigon, the definitive defeat that really marked the end of the Cold War. Obviously we didn't quite see it as such and it took some time for the implications to make themselves felt (and we're still at it -- our (US) diplomats are barred from taking part in any commemorative ceremonies in Vietnam, for example). The lesson we should have learned from this is that all that post WW2 Us/Them thinking was obsolete but, unfortunately, we're slow learners.

    This era also marked the opening up of China to trade. Before the 1970s we'd treated China like Cuba, isolating it, but it was just too big a market to ignore. China was willing and able to modernize and did, the results being obvious to anyone who compares China 'then' ("Little Red Book" / Cultural Revolution) with China "now". This didn't happen by accident, it was government policy, the goal being to become a high skill, industrialized society on a par with Japan or the US. They have largely succeeded. Meanwhile, we're still carrying on as if the policies and solutions that worked for us in WW2 and the immediate post-war period are relevant (hence "MAGA") -- we look backwards while they look forward. We're starting to behave like sore losers (and I, for one, don't like it).

  9. Oh Matron!

    I notice....

    A lot of downvotes for perfectly rational comments. Would love to be a BOFH at The Reg and seeing where these IP addresses are coming from :-)

  10. Nasu

    Americans have been down this road before

    Americans have been down this road before

    in the 1980s and 1990s....

    Japan was the #2 economy...

    (Like China is today)

    Japan was a manufacturing powerhouse

    (Like China is today)

    Japan had a huge trade surplus with the U.S

    (Like China has today)

    Japan was challenging the US supremacy in computer chips, cars, electronics, cutting edge technology, shipbuilding

    (Like China is today)

    So....

    In the 1980s and 90s Americans disliked Japan

    (Like they dislike China today)

    July 28, 1989

    68% of respondents named Japan as the bigger threat to the future of the United States, while 22% named the Soviet Union and 10% rated them equal

    Nov. 18, 1977

    Japanese Goods Swamp U.S. And Create Trade Tensions

    Nov. 21, 1981

    Display of Japan Flag Starts Protest at Plant

    Feb. 28, 1982

    Japan's big lead in memory chips

    May 14, 1982

    Economic Invasion by Japan Revives Worry About Racism

    April 6, 1982

    Resentment of Japanese is growing poll shows

    Nov. 9, 1983

    Don't blame Japan for Detroit's troubles

    July 31, 1985

    Low Point in Japan-Bashing

    7 July 1985

    “Is Hatred of the Japanese Making a Comeback?”,

    Jan. 5, 1987

    Japan's growing role in chips worrying U.S

    June 5 ,1987

    U.S. AND JAPAN: attitudes shift: POLL

    7 April 1989;

    Yellow Peril Reinfects America

    July 11, 1990

    Ads That Bash the Japanese: Just Jokes or Veiled Ra.cism?

    July 19, 1990

    Sell cars; Not racism

    Feb. 6, 1990

    Poll Detects Erosion of Positive Attitudes Toward Japan Among Americans

    Feb 14, 1992

    “U.S. Gets Negative about Japan,” POLL

    Feb. 4, 1992

    Wave of Japan-Bashing Stings Pacific Northwest

    Jan. 12, 1995

    Striking Tire Workers In Iowa Burn Japanese Flag

    April 24, 1997

    Clinton warns Japan on trade

    Oct. 17, 1997

    U.S. Maritime Agency Moves to Bar Most Japanese Cargo Ships From American Ports

    Oct 19, 1997

    Japan's Ship Warning

    To Americans the THE THREAT is any Asian country that is #2

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