back to article America's National Science Foundation tells DEI, misinfo studies: You're fired

In line with Trump administration directives, the US government's National Science Foundation has started canceling grants for studies into workplace diversity and the spread of misinformation. NSF director Sethuraman Panchanathan laid it out plainly in a Friday statement: The federal agency uses just two statutory criteria to …

  1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

    Institute for Pure American Physics

    Won't be doing any of that decadent $ETHNIC physics.

    How did that work out in the last arms race?

    1. Michael Hoffmann Silver badge
      Boffin

      Re: Institute for Pure American Physics

      Never mind last arms race:

      Consider what happened when "Deutsche Physik" was pushed over "Jewish Physics" and scientists fled first Germany and then occupied Europe in droves.

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: Institute for Pure American Physics

        Yes that was the "last arms race" when the country that discovered nuclear fission lost out in the build a nuclear bomb competition to a bunch of foreskin-negative Hungarians

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Institute for Pure American Physics

          The körülmetélés fizika is strong on that one!

    2. tfewster
      Joke

      Re: Institute for Pure American Physics

      It's time to get rid of that Zero that those ay-rab furriners invented. Did you know it has a vulnerability, that dividing by zero blows up a computer?

      Decent, god-fearing American* computers should only use ones. One race, one country, one President - You know it makes sense!

      * "American" excludes other inhabitants of the Americas continents.

      1. the Jim bloke
        Thumb Up

        Re: Institute for Pure American Physics

        STOP Calling it AMERICA !!

        Is it the Donald Tower ?.. No.. its the Trump tower..

        SO use the proper last name for the continent and country..

        And rejoice in living in the United States of Vespucci !

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Institute for Pure American Physics

          Aaaaaahhhhh, the world famous Gulf of Vespucci, the locus of such Vespucci pride in the history of Vespucci greatness, an indelible part of Vespucci's momentous seafood, most bestest in the hole World!

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Institute for Pure American Physics

          "STOP Calling it AMERICA !!"

          Yes ! Call it NORTH America.

          There are North America, Central America, South America.

          They are very different, with different geopolitical goals.

      2. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: Institute for Pure American Physics

        As long as we get rid of al-gorithm and his al-gebra

        1. J.G.Harston Silver badge

          Re: Institute for Pure American Physics

          And al-cohol.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Institute for Pure American Physics

            "And Betty, when you call me, you can call me Al"

            What? No, I won't get on that airplane - Art, Art, where are you? Heelp!

            1. Jedit Silver badge
              Joke

              "What? No, I won't get on that airplane"

              Well, if anyone accused you of having done 9/11 you now have an al-ibi.

      3. Azamino

        Re: Institute for Pure American Physics

        I get the gist but please, zero was discovered / invented on the Indian subcontinent, popularised by Brahmagupta and then found its way through China to the caliphates and then Europe. Science tends to be a collaborative effort.

  2. Tron Silver badge

    Typo alert.

    Shouldn't that read 'Trump maladministration'?

    As for 'protected characteristics'. I feel I should assist here and point out that Trump voters are wildly underrepresented when it comes to getting grants for advanced STEM research, despite being 100% American. Many of them are itching to get some NSF cash to study intelligent design and produce some hard data on prayer outcomes, yet their applications are rejected. Is this a government-funded NSF war on white, working-class Christians? Shocking. Time surely for America to go 'back to basics' and embrace its core values, redirecting funding there. They can leave the stuff about self-adaptive processors, intelligent networks, inherently secure platforms and distributed DNS systems to us weird godless foreigners, whilst they fund the important research on 'science with American characteristics'.

    1. HuBo Silver badge
      Big Brother

      Re: Typo alert.

      Knowledge is so passé! Orange, the Most Majestic, the Most Holy, will reward everyone according to his merits in advancing belief. Such is the all-encompassing free speech nature of the magaverse, as we actively punish (and silence) the disloyals who dare disagree (trans, woke, immigrants, students, cybersecurists, journalists, scientists, etc ...).

      Please stand by momentarily as we now re-witchcraft la mathématiques too ...

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: Typo alert.

        We need to get tough on economics and their equations

    2. Adair Silver badge

      Re: Typo alert.

      Please use the term 'Christian' advisedly - not all 'human beings' are 'flat earthers', likewise not all 'Christians' are 'self-serving arrogant twats', not by a long stretch.

  3. Howard Sway Silver badge

    National Science Foundation canceling grants for studies into the spread of misinformation

    All science is in essence a study of misinformation. After all, if it ain't true, it ain't science.

    For a National Science Foundation to happily stop trying to prevent the dissemination of falsehoods is a betrayal of scientific principles.

  4. MollyN

    tragedy and farce

    This is like watching a self-performed lobotomy

    my main concern is the scientists and their work, or course, but I can't envy the board members position right now either.

    They either cut anything "woke" or risk being replaced by a 17yr old "flat earth truther" who goes by @pep3goku88.

    I could be wrong, of course, perhaps this purge will "make science great again".

    e.g. important discoveries in phrenology and creation science.

    1. SundogUK Silver badge

      Re: tragedy and farce

      DEI and misinformation studies are not science. They are not disprovable and any 'experiments' are not repeatable. The NSF should have nothing to do with them.

      1. abend0c4 Silver badge

        Re: tragedy and farce

        misinformation studies are not science

        Social media algorithms would disagree.

    2. m4r35n357 Silver badge

      Re: tragedy and farce

      Idiocracy in slow motion.

      1. fpx

        Re: tragedy and farce

        Slow motion? Not at all. The movie was set 500 years in the future. At the moment we are on track to accomplish that in just four.

        1. BartyFartsLast Silver badge

          Re: tragedy and farce

          So much winning, making America idiotic again

    3. Evil Scot Silver badge
      Trollface

      Re: tragedy and farce

      The study of Retrophrenology may be a good starting point though.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Question

    What's actually wrong with defunding programs that don't work ?

    1. Jamie Jones Silver badge
      Facepalm

      Re: Question

      See icon.

      1. LybsterRoy Silver badge

        Re: Question

        Don't suppose you can add an explanation to your "witty" post?

        1. Jamie Jones Silver badge
          Happy

          Re: Question

          See the reply below by simonlb.

          No disrespect to Simon, but the response was sorta obvious to anyone that had been paying attention. Apologies for the assumption in your case!

    2. simonlb Silver badge
      Facepalm

      Re: Question

      Nothing whatsoever. But defunding programs which no longer align with the current political ideology or viewpoint because you've decided they don't fit in with your world-view and have changed the qualifying criteria is neither logical or scientific. It's just stupid.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Question

        "Nothing whatsoever. But defunding programs which no longer align with the current political ideology or viewpoint because you've decided they don't fit in with your world-view and have changed the qualifying criteria is neither logical or scientific. It's just stupid."

        Ah, so you are saying that the programs in place were "ideological" in nature. In that case it was the previous Govt that created the problem not the current one who are simply returning things back to normal. ( ie Removing the woke crap where it should never have been in the 1st place)

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Question

          you mean like the "transgenic mice" medical research?

          which you fuckwits screamed were wasting money on transgender mice, because your too thick to know they mean different things.

          1. Jamie Jones Silver badge
            Happy

            Re: Question

            Just wait until they realise their truck has been infected by the woke maggot.

            When they hear about the "transmission", they'll think that their gearbox is actively campaigning for trans people!

        2. Jamie Jones Silver badge

          Re: Question

          I always wondered if anyone actually believed the obviously crap stuff Trump and Elon spoke about "woke crap", and here you are: exhibit #1

          Just a shame you have posted anonymously, presumably because you know you're talking bollocks.

        3. Roland6 Silver badge

          Re: Question

          >” Ah, so you are saying that the programs in place were "ideological" in nature.”

          Well looking to history you could say that:

          Clearly Galileo’s work on planetary motion were “ideological”, as they contradicted the view/“ideology” of the Catholic Church.

          So basically, it’s not that “the previous government” created the problem, it’s just that the current government has an ideology that is so blinding, it is unable to look through the telescope…

          History also tells us, such blinked ideologies and their adherents always loose…

      2. LybsterRoy Silver badge
        Facepalm

        Re: Question

        Doesn't the reverse also apply? Funding programs that are guaranteed to produce nothing new (eg do bears shit in the woods) or are just following current political ideology or viewpoint (ie DEI) so you don't get sacked appear to me to be bloody stupid.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Question

          are you one of the fuckwits screaming at transgenic mice?

          congrats on being that fucking stupid

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Question

      What's actually wrong with defunding programs that don't work ?

      Exactly!!

      Stop paying DOGE

      Stop the tariffs

      Stop paying rednecks and sycophants to dismantle the constitution and government

      Although the last one is working as intended..

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Science is now settled

    Pi = 3

    Earth is flat

    There are only 2 sexes (of which INCELS still miss out)

    Trump is God

    America is number 1

    1. Zolko Silver badge

      Re: Science is now settled

      Pi = 3

      no π = 22/7

      1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge
        Devil

        Re: Science is now settled

        No, Pi = 21/7

        Or possibly, 42.

        So long, and thanks for all the fish.

    2. LybsterRoy Silver badge

      Re: Science is now settled

      I might have understood your post to be sarcasm but for "There are only 2 sexes " which is a true statement which thus invalidates the rest of your post.

      For clarification refer to UK SC ruling.

      1. eionmac

        Re: Science is now settled

        UK SC = United Kingdom, Supreme Court

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Science is now settled

        "UK SC ruling."

        got news for you stupid fucking judges know fuck all about science.

        and it looks like you don't as well.

        1. Helcat Silver badge

          Re: Science is now settled

          So, a bit of clarification would be in order, then.

          The UK Supreme court stated that, in regards to the Equalities act of 2010, the term woman was defined as Human Female and man was Human Male. This allows the act to be read as intended at the time of writing, which would allow a Trans Man who got pregnant to receive maternity care and access to the maternity suite at a hospital.

          The issue was the Scottish Parliament tried to back-door in a change to the Equalities Act that would have resulted in Trans men being denied maternity care (which falls under Women's Health) should they get pregnant. Only the Scottish Parliament then tried to fudge things by saying 'well, there will be exceptions'. The Supreme court disagreed: That would render the act unworkable and it would be too confusing over what part referred to a woman by gender, and what by sex. Hence they referred to the definition as provided in the act itself: That it was based on biological sex. Worse was the way the Scottish Parliament tried to back-door this in was through a separate bill that was limited to Scotland, which would place Scottish Law as superior to UK law (which is certainly not allowed).

          What people are missing is the court also noted that the Act can be changed via amendment, and all the Scottish Parliament had to do was table such an amendment to the UK parliament. Then it could have been reviewed, issues noted and proposed solutions to discrepancies provided and then voted on so it applied to the whole of the UK. And for reference: There's been a fair few amendments over the years. Last looks to have been in 2023.

          So you might think the Judges know 'fuck all' about science, but they know a hell of a lot about the law and how to read and understand legislation.

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: There are only 2 sexes

        Actual, literal, real-world biology disagrees with you.

        1. Patrician

          Re: There are only 2 sexes

          Actual literal real world biological people born intersex prove you and the judges wrong.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: There are only 2 sexes

            Biologists all agree that even intersex people are born with with one sex, either male or female.

            There is no such thing as people born with both sexes. Unless you have just invented something that nature doesn't provide.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: There are only 2 sexes

              "Biologists all agree that even intersex people are born with with one sex"

              nope thats an utter bullshit statement.

              biologists at religious schools might teach that bollocks, real biologists know better

          2. Adair Silver badge

            Re: There are only 2 sexes

            Also, semantics are a thing. We can make a 'word' mean whatever we want it to mean, but in order to communicate effectively it helps if there is general agreement as to the meaning of particular words.

            Problems begin when we hijack words with long established meanings and change the meaning to suit a particular agenda. Chaos and bad feeling tends to ensue, until, finally, some agreement emerges, either including or expelling the hijack attempt.

          3. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: There are only 2 sexes

            I think you've got confused. The post you were replying to is disagreeing with the only-2-sexes claim.

      4. Julian Bradfield

        Re: Science is now settled

        You clearly haven't read the SC ruling. It doesn't say there are two sexes. It says "The definition of sex in the EA 2010 makes clear that the concept of sex is binary". The definition of sex in the Equality Act is the only definition the judges are concerned with, and they didn't make it.

        1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

          Re: Science is now settled

          The UK court accepts the existence of women now ?

          1. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge

            Re: The UK court accepts the existence of women now ?

            Whereas in the USA and according to the current Government's list of approved words (that ban the use of Trans anything) WOMAN or WOMEN is not allowed. MAN and MALE is.

            This is clearly the prelude to 'A Handmaids Tale' society being introduced by Stephen 'Goebbels' Miller.

            1. Stork

              Re: The UK court accepts the existence of women now ?

              No trans-fats either - or Transit vans?

          2. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Science is now settled

            Yes, hence why trans women are so up in arms, it offends their male egos and male sense of entitlement.

  7. Potemkine! Silver badge
    Megaphone

    It's an opportunity

    Let's propose to american scientists and other scientists working in the US to come to work in Europe. . They will find a place where they are free and where their works will be supported. It will be a big win for Europe.

    1. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge

      Re: It's an opportunity

      France has already rolled out the red carpet to welcome them. Other countries will follow suit.

      Trump wants the USA dumbed down? The rest of the world will say thank you.

      So much damage in such a short time by so few.

      That will go down in History.

    2. LybsterRoy Silver badge

      Re: It's an opportunity

      Just had a quick look at the link Hmmmm the fields these people were working in are "the humanities to life sciences and the environment". I'm sure some of them can make a positive contribution to Europe. Yeah I'm absolutely positive.

      1. IGotOut Silver badge

        Re: It's an opportunity

        You know the environment? It's that thing that surrounds you.

        Kind of hard to get away from. Unless you think that it God making the air for you.

        1. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge

          Re: IYou know the environment? It's that thing that surrounds you.

          Yeah, that same thing that was managed by the EPA that Trump has just removed all rules and regulations on it in one horrible signature of an Executive Order.

          Trump has just given the green light to pollute everything in the USA in search of the $$$$.

          Those researchers will find plenty of new areas to investigate and problems that need solving

          Oh, and watch out for more animal species in the USA going extinct. The rules protecting them have gone just like all the EPA ones.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: It's an opportunity

          If people don't like the environment, we should take it away from them.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Orwell predicted this

    and was ignored/forgotten in the 75+ years since 1984 was published.

    Trumps word is the new word of Big Brother. Speak against him and it will be Room 101 for you. Only this time, Room 101 will be in El Salvador and there is only an entrance. Exit is not allowed even if you are a citizen of Trumpistan (the new name for the USA) MTGA (Make Trumpistan Great Always)

    The new flag will have just three stars on it. One each for New York, New Jersey and Florida where the Dear Leader has a golden palace. The new Capital will be in Florida (guess where) as DC will be systematically destroyed by the MTGA faithful.

    What a crazy world we live in...

  9. J.G.Harston Silver badge

    Mid-East ? That's New York isn't it?

    Or do they mean MIDDLE East?

  10. naive

    Which nationality do all these Trump bashers have ??

    When someone in the Netherlands buys something for $1 off Ebay USA, it will cost in the end: $1 + E. 34 admin costs + 10% import duties + 21% VAT = 0.90 + 0.09 + 0.21 + 34 = E 35.20. This amounts to over 4000% import tariffs.

    Friends living in North-Carolina paid 4% on top of the purchase price when they buy something from Europe before the new tariffs of president Trump were implemented.

    A Chevrolet Corvette costs in the USA around $ 85,000, in the Netherlands over E 250,000, this is far over 300% import tariffs.

    The 21% VAT in Europe gives European manufacturers an advantage when it comes to pricing, since they are able to recover VAT.

    The Europeans seem to have pretty high trade barriers, they better tone down the rhetoric a bit.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Which nationality do all these Trump bashers have ??

      Do pay attention please, VAT is a universal sales tax which is not dependent on where the goods are manufactured. It is not a tariff. Most importantly, it is paid by the end consumer, not the manufacturer. Manufacturers can claim it back *because* they are *NOT* the end consumer of the goods, but the VAT is, ultimately, paid on the same goods by the end consumer.

    2. IGotOut Silver badge

      Re: Which nationality do all these Trump bashers have ??

      VAT is the same as a sales tax in the USA you ignorant dumb fuck.

      So the same applies to people selling into the USA.

    3. Casca Silver badge

      Re: Which nationality do all these Trump bashers have ??

      Good on you proving you dont know shit about VAT

      1. naive

        Re: Which nationality do all these Trump bashers have ??

        Good to see people are experts in street language, but do not understand the concept of VAT returns on inputs needed to manufacture a specific item, which foreign manufactures do not get.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Which nationality do all these Trump bashers have ??

          Chevrolet, as all companies worldwide, doesn't care about VAT, since the figures they are publishing always exclude VAT.

          If their cars are so expansive in Europe, according to your figures, it has nothing to do with VAT, but may be related to transportation costs and upgrades needed to make the car conform with basic security features mandatory in Europe (and also probably a tax for generating as much pollution as a Space X rocket when starting the motor).

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Which nationality do all these Trump bashers have ??

          I'd thought you'd proven beyond all doubt that you're an idiot but no, you doubled down and did it again.

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Which nationality do all these Trump bashers have ??

      why the fuck would we buy from ebay USA, it has the same shit as everywhere else.

      and buying a $1 item from 3000miles away is the dumbest shit you could ever do. just the delivery would'nt make it worth doing.

    5. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge
      FAIL

      Re: Which nationality do all these Trump bashers have ??

      When someone in the Netherlands buys something for $1 off Ebay USA, it will cost in the end: $1 + E. 34 admin costs + 10% import duties + 21% VAT = 0.90 + 0.09 + 0.21 + 34 = E 35.20.

      And what exactly are these "admin costs", something special charged by eBay USA for exports? Hardly an EU problem. If someone in the Netherlands buys something from eBay NL they'll pay the same (including the VAT) except for the 10% import tarifs.

      Friends living in North-Carolina paid 4% on top of the purchase price when they buy something from Europe

      Well, plus the postage charges and "admin costs". Good of you to choose a state with such low sales taxes, though. In CA they'll have to add 7.5%.

      A Chevrolet Corvette costs in the USA around $ 85,000, in the Netherlands over E 250,000

      Nonsense. GM don't sell much in the EU, they have no significant dealer networks, but even so there are companies that will provide an entry-level corvette for €130k or so, and in the UK it's 'only' £100k. If people actually wanted to buy them they would probably sell for less, but most people in the EU want well-made cars that don't have gas-guzzling 5 litre engines, so things like Corvettes are niche purchases which command higher prices. The various middlemen probably account for most of the extra costs.

      The 21% VAT in Europe gives European manufacturers an advantage when it comes to pricing, since they are able to recover VAT.

      You clearly don't understand how VAT works. It's paid to the government by the final purchaser, so doesn't matter if the manufacturer is in EU, UK, USA or Timbuctoo, the same VAT is paid by the purchaser and it has no impact on the manufacturer.

    6. Ravester

      Re: Which nationality do all these Trump bashers have ??

      Use the € (euro) on your keyboard, it makes things a lot easier.

      It`s Ctrl Alt and 4, I`ll say again, Ctrl Alt and 4

      Also what muppet is going to buy something from Ebay USA that`s listed @ $1 then end up paying over €35 for? I just don`t get what the €34 admin costs are for!

      Plus, from a quick search, a Chevrolet Corvette z06 1lz 2025 is Euro 110,955 in The Netherlands, why make stuff up like El presidenti...

    7. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      Re: Which nationality do all these Trump bashers have ??

      And just to add to all the true and correct information already provided, US goods in the EU and UK tend to cost more than in the USA because we demand a higher quality with a mandatory minimum 2 year warranty, which is also factored into the consumer retail price. The higher quality is a consequence of the 2 year warranty, and in most cases, there's a tailing "warranty" whereby goods should have an "expected lifespan", which allows the buyer to still claim a level of support and free repairs or partial refund even after the 2 year warranty expires.

    8. Sorry that forum user name is already taken.

      Re: Which nationality do all these Trump bashers have ??

      Congratulations on picking the most appropriate username you could have, short of, "Yet Another Fucking Idiot".

  11. codejunky Silver badge

    Hmm

    Not seeing the problem. Sounds like a good decision

    1. Casca Silver badge

      Re: Hmm

      Of couse YOU do...

      1. codejunky Silver badge
        WTF?

        Re: Hmm

        @Casca

        "Of couse YOU do..."

        Thank you

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Hmm

      if it's such a good decision why the fuck don't you go live in trumpistan.

      stop bitching just fuck off

      1. codejunky Silver badge
        Devil

        Re: Hmm

        @AC

        "if it's such a good decision why the fuck don't you go live in trumpistan.

        stop bitching just fuck off"

        It shouts as it spits out its dummy and stomps its feet.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Hmm

          at least it's a dummy and not orange cock semen

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Hmm

            not so sure he spits that out

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Hmm

      Fuck off Junky.

    4. codejunky Silver badge

      Re: Hmm

      Looks like I upset the DEI students

    5. Sorry that forum user name is already taken.

      Re: Hmm

      Ignore the paid troll.

  12. Roland6 Silver badge

    “ the future of US scientific leadership.‘

    Well it looks like all those foreign scientists who’s efforts made and sustain US scientific leadership, will be looking for employment in more favourable countries…

  13. Bbuckley

    So what is the issue here - sounds to me like how it should be. Woke DEI bullshit needs to be history. Well done Mr. President as far as I am concerned.

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