back to article Heat can make Li-Ion batteries explode. Or restore their capacity, say Chinese boffins

Researchers at China’s Ningbo Institute of Materials Technology and Engineering have found a way to restore the energy density of old Lithium-Ion batteries by heating them to over 150°C. Rechargeable Lithium-Ion (Li-Ion) batteries are already ubiquitous and are increasingly in demand for applications like powering electric …

  1. cyberdemon Silver badge
    Devil

    OK I have some swollen LiPo packs

    I'll bung them in the oven now at 250C and check back with you later

    ..

    Oh noes! What was that new fire brigade number again?

    1. BartyFartsLast Silver badge

      Re: OK I have some swollen LiPo packs

      0118 999 881 999 119 725 3.

      After you've tried switching it off and back on of course

      1. VicMortimer Silver badge

        Re: OK I have some swollen LiPo packs

        Maybe you should just put that fire over there with the rest of the fire.

    2. mtp

      Re: OK I have some swollen LiPo packs

      This is for Li-Ion. LiFePo will probably behave very differently.

      1. cyberdemon Silver badge
        Holmes

        Re: OK I have some swollen LiPo packs

        one: That was obviously a joke - If anyone here is daft enough to think it wasn't, then the reg needs a disclaimer on the article to say "don't try this at home" - heating up a battery that wasn't designed for it is obviously a terrible idea, hence my IT crowd reference to the fire brigade

        two: "LiPo" (with a lowercase 'o') refers to Lithium Ion batteries with a polymer electrolyte (Lithium Polymer) -usually these are NMC chemistry and commonly used in drones, RC cars, e-bikes and the like. Typically unfused pouch cell stacks with taps for balancing, and they tend to 'puff up' when they expire, as they evolve Hydrogen internally. They are probably the most flammable/dangerous sort of lithium battery.

        1. Bill Gray Silver badge

          Re: OK I have some swollen LiPo packs

          "LiPo" (with a lowercase 'o') refers to Lithium Ion batteries with a polymer electrolyte (Lithium Polymer)

          You saved me a Google. I was looking at "LiPo" in full confidence it couldn't possibly refer to lithium-polonium batteries (presumably popular with certain Russian intelligence agencies and definitely not to be tried at home), but my mind was blocking on what it actually meant.

  2. Bilby

    Defence Lawyers Take Note

    "My client did not, as alleged, 'torch a Tesla dealership', he merely attempted to increase the battery life of Mr Musk's vehicles".

    1. KittenHuffer Silver badge
  3. artificial bitterness

    Blue Peter fans ...

    If you try this at home, do get an adult to help you.

    1. Giles C Silver badge

      Re: Blue Peter fans ...

      Responsible or irresponsible to adult?

      1. Caver_Dave Silver badge
        Joke

        Re: Responsible or irresponsible adult?

        Know your audience ....

        This is The Register after all

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  5. ChrisElvidge Silver badge

    New use for my air-fryer?

    New use for my air-fryer?

  6. tyrfing

    Can it be done to a phone battery?

    One of the reasons phones now have fixed batteries is because basically everything inside that's not electronics is battery. So removing them isn't really possible. This was supposedly to increase capacity.

    Of course another reason was that if your battery dies you have to get a new phone instead of a new battery. The phone manufacturers were never enthusiastic about making replacement batteries so this market was quickly taken over by third parties. Which was another reason to make it impossible to switch them out.

  7. GNU Enjoyer
    Meh

    Maybe the right materials and carefully controlled heating

    Will be a feasible method to restore battery capacity.

    But lets be real - very few companies will implement it - as current Li-Ion batteries tend to last too many cycles between the wanted repurchase interval if carefully treated.

  8. Hurn

    What got lost during translation?

    "heating the batteries to between 150-250°C can cause them to shrink rather and see their internal structure return..."

    Err.. maybe that should read:

    "heating the batteries to between 150-250°C can cause them [?!] to shrink rather [than expand] and see their internal structure return..."?

    maybe there are more than 2 words missing? Especially with the ambiguous "them": do the exterior dimensions of the batteries actually shrink?

    (Generally, one expects things to expand when heated, hence, the counter-intuitive aspect, which the author seems to be going for.)

    Although, it would seem that this is an over-simplification: surely, [sorry, I'm not calling you that] some internal or exterior structures do expand, when heated, but possibly, some substrates / internal structures do shrink?

    If them does refer to the exterior dimensions, then, maybe things can be fixed with the addition of a few commas:

    "heating the batteries to between 150-250°C can cause them to shrink, rather, and see their internal structure return..."

    Although, "them" might also refer to dendrites, or some internal flaw, which grow with age?

    More elaboration seems needed. Unfortunately, provided link goes to "This is a preview of subscription content"

    TANSTAAFL - There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.*

    * Thanks, Robert A Heinlein

  9. The commentard formerly known as Mister_C Silver badge

    Dendrites?

    20-or-so years ago, there were lots of clickbait articles on the web about curing dendrites in NiCad batteries by zapping them with a chunk of charge (basically using a welding transformer rather than a battery charger). I wondered if this was a similar thing so did a quick search on "dendrite battery" and found many many links to Li dendrite research over the last few years. Could this be another similar piece of research?

    Incidentally, on the subject of stuff shrinking when heated (and running off topic from the original article). Steel changes from body centered cubic crystals to face centered cubic crystals, a more compact structure. The steel therefore contracts at the phase change temperature. Whilst an engineering student, I had this demonstrated to me by a lecturer running a current through a steel wire that was fixed at both ends. It expanded as it heated up, causing it to droop and droop and then suddenly shrink and (almost) straighten, then droop again. Allowing it to cool naturally reversed the process, quenching would have kept the structure.. And that's one of the forms of heat treatment

    1. StargateSg7 Bronze badge

      Re: Dendrites?

      We did that with Camera Batteries (i.e. the large NP1b batteries used for Betacam SP and Digital Betacam shoulder mount TV NEWS camcorders!) and our specialty-reprogrammed battery charger system (i.e. a CADEX battery charger - look it up at their site since they still exist 30 years later!) was able to do that by cycling and recycling the battery at low and high charge voltages and currents to "refurbish" a NiCAD battery. We usually got about 3x the rated charge cycle life when we used that charger because at the time a high-end NP1b battery was $250 CDN each! It also worked for NiMH (Nickel Metal Hydride) NP1b batteries which were even MORE expensive ($350 CDN each!) at the time!

      V

  10. Paul Crawford Silver badge

    “unusual behavior, contrary to conventional thermodynamic expectations”

    I wonder what those Chinese boffins were up to that lead to such unexpected behaviour?

    Was it a prank that led to one of those real discoveries?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: “unusual behavior, contrary to conventional thermodynamic expectations”

      They were testing ways to make phones POP with more gusto (since most of us have them in our pockets) but accidently found the opposite.

  11. EricB123 Silver badge

    From my personal "wayback machine"

    My aging 25" CRT color TV had a dim picture, so I dragged the monster to the local TV shop to have the picture tube "rejuvenated". The guy there explained that they overheated the CRT filament which would "broil electrons off of the anode, giving the picture tube extra life". Damn, it really did greatly improve the picture brightness for a few years.

    I hope this has at least a vague similarity to the subject of this story.

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