Feds charge three over Molotov attacks on Tesla sites in multiple states

Three individuals face federal arson charges labeled as domestic terrorism after a spate of Molotov cocktail attacks on Tesla properties in the US. Federal Attorney General Pamela Bondi announced the charges on Thursday but a Department of Justice (DoJ) press release didn't name any of the individuals accused. However, …

[An_Old_Dog]

Irony

I've zero sympathy for these arsonists.

I do find it ironic to read the quote, "The days of committing crimes without consequence have ended," said Bondi., given the frauds and lawbreaking conducted by highly-placed individuals and corporations, resulting in millions of €/£/$ in ill-gained profits, at no significant, if any, penalties upon the perpetrators.

[Helcat]

Re: Irony

One can only hope that there is a shift and people are held accountable for their actions, equally, under the law.

What I would note, however, is those with the money often have layers of people in place to ensure that 'things are done correctly, but if not, that's on the underling'.

Thing is: That works 'cause the person who takes the action should know if the action was legal or not, and if not, to refuse to take that action, and potentially advise the person giving the instruction that the action is illegal.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Irony

The issue comes when the people who should be held accountable are members of the same political tribe as the people who should be holding them accountable. During the summer of love we saw politicians asking for donations to bail funds to support rioters and also the riots tended to happen in places where the DA was a member of the same political tribe and you were likely to get the charges downgraded to a misdemeanour.

This is why we are seeing this happening in predominantly blue areas.

[Ace2]

Re: Irony

“Predominantly blue areas”

Fuck you and your made-up nonsense. Fucking coward.

[Gary Stewart]

Re: Irony

Tell that to Dem. Senator Bob Menendez. I'm sure he needs a good laugh.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Irony

Didn't he try and argue that what he did was OK 'because of Cuban history'?

[LBJsPNS]

Re: Irony

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK

[M.V. Lipvig]

Re: Irony

There's nothing peaceful about the American left. Disagree with them even a little bit and they go violent. Just a few short years ago, these same people were praising Tesla and berating anyone who didn't want to buy one, now they're attacking Teslas and their owners.

[DS999]

Re: Irony

Yes setting a few cars on fire is somehow worse than a violent attack on the capitol which injured over 100 cops - some of them for life forcing them to retire on disability - intended to overturn a lawful election.

While there is violence on both sides, any sane person will admit there is a lot more violence on the right.

If Tesla was hated on the right Trump would be talking pardons for them.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Irony

"intended to overturn a lawful election"

Isn't this exactly the goal of torching teslas? "Destroy Tesla to save America"?

Mike Fanone has made a nice living for himself playing victim from Jan 6th. Lets ignore all the police injured during the summer of love. Something like 1000 police were injured during those riots.

[Andrew Norton]

Re: Irony

"Something like 1000 police were injured during those riots."

it was more like 30-40. And about 8,000 regular people were seriously injured by the cops. Oh, and the majority of the cops injured, were injured by other cops or themselves. T Greg Doucette had a 600+ tweet thread which documented violent unprovoked attacks by police on protestors, bystanders and the media during those protests, and which had video evidence of it. Thats not 600 clips, thats not random claims, that's 600+ separate incidents where law enforcement attacked people unprovoked that were captured on video, sometimes from multiple angles.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Irony

"it was more like 30-40"

There were more than that hurt during the anti-racism protests in the UK. If you're going to make the claim that many of the police injuries were self inflicted then the same can be said for Jan 6th. The video of the idiotic cop trying to tear gas the protesters and not comprehending that the police are down wind of the crowd is funny. All he did was tear gas his colleagues and they were not happy.

"unprovoked"

Uh huh. If you are rioting then it is not unprovoked. I have no doubt you think the violence against jan 6th protesters was entirely justified.

A quick look at T Greg Douche's twitter feed and I've seen numerous complete falsehoods tweeted by him. Of course his 'vote blue no matter who' followers lap it up.

The funny thing is that this is the militarised police force that the Democrats run cities created. Lots of videos of NYPD and DC cops. In 2020 the Minneapolis police were seen rolling through residential streets in armoured personnel carriers taking pot shots at people with pepperballs, and this was at the request of Tim Walz. Pretty sure he is a Democrat.

But then I suppose without double standards you'd have no standards at all.

[M.V. Lipvig]

Re: Irony

Seriously? Try burning entire city blocks for over 100 days across the entire US in 2020. J6 was merely some tourists who got lost in comparison. One of the cities burned by leftists was DC. Most right wing violence is actually committed by individuals with their own complaints, and are only characterized as right wing violence because the person happens to be registered as a Republican. Thumb me down all you like, but there are plenty of news stories out there that shows I am correct.

But hey, disagree? Use something besides J6 as a example I'll post DC and Minneapolis riots and burning as two of mine.

[Gary Stewart]

Re: Irony

"Disagree with them even a little bit and they go violent"

Did you see this in a Musk AI hallucination?

"Just a few short years ago, these same people were praising Tesla and berating anyone who didn't want to buy one"

That was before Musk went full Nazi* and began a reign of stupidity slashing and crashing his way through the US government without even the slightest idea of what he was doing.

* Yeah I know, but in this case if the shoe fits (I prefer foo shits in this case) ...

[Anonymous Coward]

"Three individuals face federal arson charges labeled as domestic terrorism"

FFS, it's not terrorism, it's just a crime.

[Anonymous Coward]

It is organised and it is targeting a specific group with the intention of intimidation and that group being targeted are private individuals who have no connection to the US govt or Elon Musk.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism

"Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims."

The Telsa owners and the people working at the dealerships are non-combatants. Even Tesla itself is a non-combatant as it is not part of the US government.

[Anonymous Coward]

... or so the barbiecore cosplay sheriff cabal wants you to believe ...

[Helcat]

Well... this is the definition, apparently:

"The U.S Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) defines terrorism as the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives."

So if the actions taken were politically driven (to intimidate Musk due to his work for the US government), or even simply to discourage people from buying Tesla's, then yes it could be terrorism.

If it's just 'cause they had a bad experience with a Tesla then not so likely.

Still a crime, though, and dangerous: Fire's not predictable and is prone to spread - could have put other properties at risk, along with lives, especially of the firefighters, and as they're busy at the Tesla dealership, they can't then respond to another fire... so there's further consequences. That's why arson is such a serious crime.

[Empire of the Pussycat]

Capitol rioters were terrorists by that definition

I look forward to the FBI taking action against their leader.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Capitol rioters were terrorists by that definition

Well, some action does need to be taken against the previous FBI leader as more and more evidence comes to light that it was the undercover operatives who were instigating the violence that day.

[Ace2]

Re: Capitol rioters were terrorists by that definition

“More and more evidence”

None, is I believe what you meant to say.

[Someone Else]

Re: Capitol rioters were terrorists by that definition

No, he meant to say exactly what he said. Lying is a premeditated action.

[xyz]

Re: Capitol rioters were terrorists by that definition

Elon is that you?

[Someone Else]

So if the actions taken were politically driven (to intimidate Musk due to his work for the US government), or even simply to discourage people from buying Tesla's, then yes it could be terrorism.

By that conveniently weak and vague definition, then picketing Tesla dealerships, or even simply organizing a boycott of Tesla, could be considered "terrorism".

Puh-LEEEZ, awready!

[Anonymous Coward]

"simply organizing a boycott"

Remember how bent out of shape the left got over the bud light boycott?

I also don't recall any bud light trucks getting torched or shops getting destroyed for stocking it. People simply stopped buying it.

[Anonymous Coward]

And meanwhile, the guy mounting an insurrection was left to run around freely and is now President again.

[Anonymous Coward]

> People simply stopped buying it.

Ah, the Bud Light boycott, where angry people bought cans so that they could do some performance art and shoot at them for views.

E & D just *wish* that the Tesla boycott was doing that well, sales would be booming!

The Rutles:

> Many fans burnt their albums. Many more burnt their fingers attempting to burn their albums. Album sales sky-rocketed, people were buying them, just to burn them

[Anonymous Coward]

See, they were very nice about the boycott, they didn't steal the cans of slightly beer flavoured piss and they destroyed what was legally THEIR OWN PROPERTY. No shops were looted, no shops were burnt down, the brewery was not burnt down. You could imagine a gun toting right winger machine gunning the piles of cans at a walmart or maybe hijacking a truck full of beer and destroying it but no, didn't happen.

But the boycott was effective.

[M.V. Lipvig]

Nope, those would be peaceful protests and are allowed. Firebombing dealerships is not. Preventing others from entering Tesla dealerships is not allowed either. You can show them your sign, you can yell to not buy one, but the minute you lay hands on them or stop them entering you're wrong.

[that one in the corner]

> FFS, it's not terrorism, it's just a crime.

Legal Eagle's latest Boycotting Tesla illegal? goes over this[1]. There is a reason why the charges are "labelled" as "domestic terrorism", they can only be charged with the actual crimes (damage to property, danger to life - using the appropriate wording) , the "label" is just there so Trump, the FBIS etc can say something super scary about them.

[1] briefly, it is only a short, vertical format and all :-(

[herman]

Well, blue and pink haired cross dressing nitwits will have an exciting time in any prison. Maybe they should have at least have tried to think a bit more of the possible consequences, before doing their damndest.

[Doctor Syntax]

"an individual armed with a suppressed AR-15 firearm who threw eight Molotov cocktails at a Tesla dealership."

I suppose the AR-15 wasn't a problem in itself.

[Wang Cores]

"The U.S. is a C(o)untry," PT 2

Fun quirk of US weapons laws: Molotov cocktails (which can be readily assembled in your kitchen) are classified as Destructive Devices. You can possess them only as a cop or dealer in arms or need to register them with the government.

The suppressor is similiarly regulated, but the AR-15 is not.

Karen-in-Chief Bondi will love this case: Can crack down on 2A in a MAGA-approved way.

[Rich 2]

Re: "The U.S. is a C(o)untry," PT 2

That’s because the Yanks have stupid gun laws (or lack of) and half the population still think they live in the Wild West so, against all common sense, refuse to do anything about it.

For some bizarre reason, this reminds me of the utter uproar in the US when [can’t remember who now] popped her boob out at a Super Bowl. While the rest of the world looked on with a “so what?”, half of America seemed to react like the sky was falling in. And yet it’s perfectly fine to shoot-up a school full of kids - well it must be apparently, because they refuse to do anything about it (in fact it’s even better than that - they actively work and lobby to ensure it keeps happening!)

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: "The U.S. is a C(o)untry," PT 2

Janet Jackson

[Fruit and Nutcase]

Re: "The U.S. is a C(o)untry," PT 2

Janet Jackson/Justin Timberland at Super Bowl XXXVIII...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXXVIII_halftime_show_controversy

A storm in a C-Cup

[Jamie Jones]

Re: "The U.S. is a C(o)untry," PT 2

Fun fact, the gun laws in the "Wild West" were stricter than they are now.

Whilst most people had guns due to the lawless wilderness, in most towns, you had to hand in your gun on arrival.

Also: From: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/gun-control-old-west-180968013/

"Tombstone had much more restrictive laws on carrying guns in public in the 1880s than it has today,” says Adam Winkler, a professor and specialist in American constitutional law at UCLA School of Law. “Today, you're allowed to carry a gun without a license or permit on Tombstone streets. Back in the 1880s, you weren't.” Same goes for most of the New West, to varying degrees, in the once-rowdy frontier towns of Nevada, Kansas, Montana, and South Dakota."

[herman]

Re: "The U.S. is a C(o)untry," PT 2

Half the USAsians still live in the Wild West. It is just the definition of Wild, that changed a bit.

[Rich 2]

What is a “suppressed” AR-15?

[Jonathan Richards 1]

> What is a “suppressed” AR-15?

An AR-15 (assault rifle) fitted with a noise-suppresser would be my best guess.

[Anonymous Coward]

Yup: "Suppressed firearms, also known as silenced firearms, are firearms that have been equipped with a sound suppressor or silencer".

[herman]

An AR-15 fires a supersonic bullet. It cannot be noise suppressed. Suppressors only work in the movies, not in real life.

[Anonymous Coward]

Ackchyually an AR15 can be chambered to fire a wide range of bullets from 22LR, 5.56, .223, 9mm, .338, I think even NATO 7.62 and likely many others.

[Someone Else]

One whose parents used to berate it?

[Anonymous Coward]

An AR-15 which in its youth was never allowed to just shoot anyone it wanted to.

They're the favourite amongst school shooters.

No, wait, that would be REpressed.

:)

[spold]

...fitted with what is called a "silencer" in the UK.

[Jonjonz]

That will show those pesky rebels the empire means business. NOT

[nematoad]

Double standards?

"These kinds of attacks have no place in our community."

Quite right.

Save all that kind of nonsense for the Capitol Building.

Then Trump might give you a pardon.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Double standards?

Was the Capitol fire bombed? No.

But here is the very important key difference. The protest at the Capitol was directed at the government. Not at random people unconnected with the government.

If you look at the First Amendment, it specifically states the right of the people to protest and petition the government for redress. It is there in black and white.

What isn't in any US law is the right to throw a tantrum and randomly destroy private property because the wrong person won the election.

[that one in the corner]

Re: Double standards?

> The protest at the Capitol was directed at the government. ... If you look at the First Amendment, it specifically states the right of the people to protest and petition the government for redress. It is there in black and white.

You seem to have missed out an important word there, so let's have a look are it in black and white (well, whatever colours your browser does hyperlinks in); emphasis added:

>> Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

("petition" means a written request, so again, peaceably - you aren't allowed to use the box of signatures as a literal bludgeon).

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Double standards?

Chris Cuomo said "show me where it says protests are supposed to be polite and peaceful"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAe86my9r7A

AOC said on twitter "The whole point of protesting is to make ppl uncomfortable"

Maxine Waters called for protesters to "get more confrontational"

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/19/politics/maxine-waters-derek-chauvin-trial/index.html

The Jan 6th protesters were just following instructions!

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Double standards?

You know rather well that your talking points are BS, so please stop trying them out here.

[Sandtitz]

Re: Double standards?

"What isn't in any US law is the right to throw a tantrum and randomly destroy private property because the wrong person won the election.."

The Capitol Attack included assaults on police officers, attempted bombing and looting furniture and art. Can you show the passage in 1st Amendment where that is allowed?

Are you game if the same was done with White House?

Why do you post as AC? I thought the Pride Boys and Oath Keepers were not shameful in their thinking, on the contrary.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Double standards?

"Are you game if the same was done with White House?"

It was in 2020 and the protesters attacked and injured law enforcement.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11752998/trump-secure-bunker-friday-george-floyd-protests-white-house/

"attempted bombing"

I assume you mean the pipe bomber which they've never been able to track down despite clear video and cell records. Odd that.

[Sandtitz]

Re: Double standards?

It was in 2020 and the protesters attacked and injured law enforcement.

Let me repeat the question from my previous message about looting, bombing and violence: "Can you show the passage in 1st Amendment where that is allowed?"

"I assume you mean the pipe bomber which they've never been able to track down despite clear video and cell records. Odd that."

It wasn't a clear video. Non-descript hoodie and face mask on a average height person. No-one picked up the $500k bounty. Odd that.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Double standards?

Oh there is actually nothing in the 1A that allows for what the left got up to in 2016, 2020 and now. However due to being members of the correct tribe most of what happened was ignored, treated as a misdemeanour or some sort of super sweet plea deal.

Let us not forget that 'protesters' tried to set fire to the apartment complex where the Portland mayor lived:

https://nypost.com/2020/09/01/riot-declared-in-portland-after-fire-in-mayors-building/

Heck they even assaulted the guy but no-one arrested

https://www.opb.org/article/2021/01/07/portland-mayor-ted-wheeler-punched-at-restaurant/

I'm sure someone would try and claim this was the proud boys undercover or something but lets face the facts, the left are violent!

[Andrew Scott]

Re: Double standards?

sure running around threatening to hand hang Mike Pence is just peaceful exercise of the right to protest.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Double standards?

If they didn't actually do it then it was peaceful.

[Eclectic Man]

Why not ...

... just publicise the recall notices for Teslas?

The latest one for the truck is:

“ Tesla announced a recall of 46,000 Cybertrucks in the US on Thursday to fix an exterior panel that could detach while driving.”

From https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/mar/20/tesla-musk-trump-work-cybertruck-recall-dan-ives-protests

I respect the right to peaceful protest, but the litany of faults in the Tesla Truck kind of speaks for itself.

[that one in the corner]

Re: Why not ...

... just park your Tesla for a service or drive it around outside a few times?

Obviously, you want to avoid any harm to people, just to the buildings, so you take care to 'phone in and warn them that there is a Tesla nearby and the threat that poses. Except that making that 'phone call is an act of terrorism.

Which raises the question, how do you legally book a Tesla in for a service?

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Why not ...

This is known as classic "Misdirection" as in nothing to do with the original article.

[Bbuckley]

Just like the little eco-ideology shits throwing paint on works of Art their insect brains could never comprehend, we need minimum jail terms for such scumbag behaviour. 15 years minimum without possibility of parole sounds about right.

[LBJsPNS]

You've been spreading your bullshit all over this thread. You don't say a peep about what's happening in DC and who the real criminals are. Here's a clue: It's never a good thing to be sympathizing with nazis, because guess what that makes you.

[Anonymous Coward]

Send them down the lithium mines!

[Anonymous Coward]

Musk has said some terrible things, but...

Nobody should be doing this and they should face the full force of the law. Damaging property or intimidating people going about their legitimate business is wrong. Just like the people who were jailed for attacking asylum seeker hotels in the UK last summer. Strong swift punishment will hopefully stop this illegal behaviour and deter others from doing the same. If you don't like Tesla, don't buy one.

I don't like the Labour party, but I believe in democracy. I don't go and smash up their party office or threaten their members. It's wrong.

I hope for the good of Tesla, its millions of customers, its 120,000 staff and shareholders that Musk stands aside as CEO and goes into rehab. He has done some amazing things with Tesla and SpaceX but his comments about Ukraine are plain wrong, just parroting enemy propaganda. He's gullibly fallen for the same misinformation peddled by Russia years ago that led to lefties into waving Palestine flags, supporting the IRA and believing communism is not the same as fascism, when it's actually the same thing.

He now has made Tesla a toxic brand.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Musk has said some terrible things, but...

"communism is not the same as fascism" is my understanding !!!

Please explain how they ARE THE SAME ... with pictures if possible, as I cannot process this one !!!???

P.S.

Please look up what they are FIRST ... then if possible comply with my request !!!

Hints:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Yes, I know it is Wikipedia BUT it is usually considered 'correct' for BIG things !!!

:)

[Jadith]

Most Troubling

Wanton acts of violence and destruction are usually left to young men in their twenties. Folks at middle age usually have too much to lose, but, it seems, not so much with these people.

My worry is, this is just a sign this is going to get worse. Especially as it is being cheered and these people are being regaled as some kind of hero by the younger set.

[tiggity]

Re: Most Troubling

@Jadith

I doubt this middle aged person had much to lose

"Lucy" article in New York Post

Quote: A 42-year-old transgender woman who allegedly threw Molotov cocktails at vehicles and spray-painted “Nazi cars” at a Colorado Tesla dealership lives with her mother due to “emotional problems” and calls herself “baby” online.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Most Troubling

Obviously has a few issues then ...

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Most Troubling

That's like most ACs on here (this one included) ...

[cookieMonster]

Tesler !!

I LOVE Tesler!!!

PS: This is a joke, for those who don’t recognise who/what and when the above refers to.

[Howard Sway]

"The days of committing crimes without consequence have ended"

Hmm, I wonder why the Supreme Court recently had to invent the concept of "presidential immunity" then?

Or why lots of rioters got pardoned a few weeks ago?

To be clear, I think all violence is bad, but such extreme double standards don't give any right to take the moral high ground. Just don't be stupid enough to believe that because some awful people have got away with awful stuff that you will be able to too.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: "The days of committing crimes without consequence have ended"

"had to invent"

They did not invent it, it has always been there.

"rioters got pardoned"

Many of those 'rioters' were arrested for simply being on the Capitol grounds and had not taken part in any violence or damage to any property. People who fire bombed police cars during the summer of love got far more lenient sentences as they were of the same political tribe as the DA and judges.

[LBJsPNS]

Re: "The days of committing crimes without consequence have ended"

"They did not invent it, it has always been there."

Tell it to Nixon.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: "The days of committing crimes without consequence have ended"

Err??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_immunity_in_the_United_States#Suits_against_Nixon

[Someone Else]

Uh-huh...suuuuure!

"While we will defend the public's right to peaceful protest, we will not hesitate to act when protest crosses the line into violence and mayhem," said Acting US Attorney Brook Andrews for the District of South Carolina. "These kinds of attacks have no place in our community.

"We are grateful for the prompt response of our first responders and law enforcement. We must remain united in our commitment to safety and respect for all, regardless of political differences."

Uttered (bleated?) by the same outfit trying to deport Mamoud Khalil, for engaging in exactly the kind of "peaceful protest" that they are banging on about.

"Do as I say, not as I do!"

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Uh-huh...suuuuure!

Except that he was encouraging the violence that happened at the university and expressing support for a terrorist group.

What can be seen from this thread is that political violence is entirely acceptable in one direction but not in the other. I am sure that the Democrat voting Tesla owners who have had their cars damaged or destroyed are really supportive of the cause and will continue to vote blue.

[Someone Else]

Re: Uh-huh...suuuuure!

Actually, no the Democratic voting Tesla owners are rapidly becoming Democratic voting former Tesla owners.

_{...and will very likely continue to vote blue...}

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Uh-huh...suuuuure!

Well they are certainly becoming former owners as their cars are burnt out wrecks.

But I doubt they would want to keep voting blue. The democrat party is sinking. Do you not wonder why so many Democrat voters just didn't bother in 2024? I know a lot of Dems are self hating but this might be the limit.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Uh-huh...suuuuure!

I foresee a escalating wave of terrorist attacks on Teslas - until they cancel the fire insurance.

Then people will have to go back to trying to sell the damn things.

[JWLong]

Revolution is Good

As per Ben Franklin.

[Anonymous Coward]

Give me liberty!!

Or

Give me four years of a corrupt simpering imbecile…. (Sigh)

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Give me liberty!!

Thankfully the Biden era is over and the USA can move on and return to liberty.

[herman]

Blue and pink hairdos

These are really weirdos. They should learn the value of work and be sentenced to community service: A chain gang with picks and shovels building roads.

[LBJsPNS]

Re: Blue and pink hairdos

You mean all the felons in the current administration starting with the boss, correct?

[Bebu sa Ware]

I Wonder Where This Bit Came From?

"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends,^† it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it."

Are we near yet?

_{† Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.}

[LucreLout]

It's clearly not actually terrorism....

....buy it is clearly arson, abject stupidity, and a total inability to reason.

There's no defending burning down car dealerships, machine gunning them, etc. If you think there is you are the problem.

The problem with politics today, especially in the UK, is one group have utterly convinced themselves their party is morally good and so the other parties must be morally bad and so illegitimate. It's the politics of the playground.

It makes me wonder just who it is gets these people dressed on a morning and packed off to work?

[Wang Cores]

Re: It's clearly not actually terrorism....

I think the people who went to bat for opening the national parks for mining are pretty fucked in the head. I wouldn't do this shit though.

[Anonymous Coward]

All Dictators die ... eventually ... thank god !!!

I am astounded by the 'Tribal' bickering by the USA contingent on el Reg !!!

No side listens to the other and opinions are NEVER challenged by ANY statement IF you are from the OTHER side (or appear to be) !!!

Large numbers of Americans HATE other Americans, yet you complain that 'other countries hate us' !!!

Maybe you should try liking each other and listen to each other.

Your politicians LIKE the tribal divide, it controls the masses and leaves the power in the hands of the 'people who have all the money'.

America will not improve if you are fighting each other and Dictators love 'others' giving their lives/liberty for 'their' ideas.

:)

[Jonathon Green]

Re: All Dictators die ... eventually ... thank god !!!

“ am astounded by the 'Tribal' bickering by the USA contingent on el Reg !!!”

I’m not. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I like Americans, they’re funny!

[gnasher729]

Not unhappy about any possible trouble for Tesla. Nothing they don’t deserve. On the other hand, getting caught destroying some expensive cars is stupid. Paying for the damage would be a huge punishment for most. On the third hand, there seems to be no objective information how much danger there was for people. 20 years could be Ok if it was extreme luck nobody died, and much too much if no human was in danger.