back to article CISA: We didn't fire red teams, we just unhired a bunch of them

Uncle Sam's cybersecurity agency is trying to save face by seeking to clear up what it's calling "inaccurate reporting" after a former senior pen-tester claimed the organization axed two red teams. CISA has assured us it has not terminated the entirety of its ethical hackers, although some contracts were withdrawn. "Contrary …

  1. JimmyPage Silver badge
    Meh

    Yeah, whatever.

    Which is now my default response to any news from the US now.

    1. UnknownUnknown Silver badge

      Re: Yeah, whatever.

      It’s become a Rogue State until Trump leaves office.

      I had mistakenly thought Civil War (2024) was less likely since Tangoman’s electoral comeback (far from a landslide).

      “What sort of ‘Merican are you”??

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  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    This, combined with Congress passing a resolution to make 6 months = 1 day for the purposes of declaring a "national emergency" while the economy is being deliberately imploded feels very Chile 1973 or Democratic Kampuchea if it was run by 4chan shitposters: https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-resolution/211/text

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Chile 1973

      "while the economy is being deliberately imploded feels very Chile 1973"

      To repeat Chile 1973, you need a willing, or even eager, military.

      That might require some more work from the Draft Dodger et al. as they have left no opportunity unused to insult the military, servicemen and women, or veterans in the strongest of words.

      1. Wang Cores

        Re: Chile 1973

        Yeah but the problem is even when he does everything short of sledgehammer the tombstone on a soldier's grave and then slap his mother on camera for raising a sucker, they still voted for his ass.

        The only branch that seems to have a real significant voice against him is the Navy; the Navy by itself isn't going to be enough to resist instating feudalism with techbro characteristics, and indeed, the Navy is the most class-divided branch of the service.

        It all looks like shit from where I'm standing, but I'm hoping against hope I'm wrong. I really am not cut out for this.

  4. lglethal Silver badge
    Trollface

    PR for the Win!!!

    This reporting is completely false! It couldnt be more wrong! Under no circumstance did we get rid of more than 100 red team members! No way! Didnt happen!!!!

    It was 99 testers! And it wasnt a red team... It was more of a maroon colour...

    1. Chloe Cresswell Silver badge

      Re: PR for the Win!!!

      My first thought to this:

      "Purple alert! Purple alert!"

      "What's a purple alert?"

      "Well, it's like not as bad as a red alert, but a bit worse than a blue alert -- sort of a mauve alert."

      1. Andy Non Silver badge

        Re: PR for the Win!!!

        And when the consequences eventually hit the fan, more of a brown alert.

      2. Sgt_Oddball
        Alert

        Re: PR for the Win!!!

        "Step up to red alert!"

        "Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb..."

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: PR for the Win!!!

        Orange alert surely.

      4. MachDiamond Silver badge

        Re: PR for the Win!!!

        ""What's a purple alert?""

        It's a key warning in the hiring process. If a candidate shows up with purple hair wearing a protest T-shirt, you don't want to hire them. The bonus is that they aren't in a "protected class".

  5. James Anderson Silver badge

    GDP numbers

    Government spending is counted in GDP.

    It has to be to be enable comparisons between countries that privatise/nationalise differently.

    Typically markets, investors treasury departments panic when GDP goes down. Gonna be interesting.

    1. MachDiamond Silver badge

      Re: GDP numbers

      "Government spending is counted in GDP."

      Cancer treatment is counted in GDP.

  6. Ryan D

    Follow the Star Trek protocol

    DOGE simply followed the sci-fi classic trope of killing off all the redshirts first.

    1. MachDiamond Silver badge

      Re: Follow the Star Trek protocol

      "DOGE simply followed the sci-fi classic trope of killing off all the redshirts first."

      Yeah, but that's disheartening as Kirk, Spock and Dr McCoy never die and keep coming back episode after episode.

      1. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge

        Re: Follow the Star Trek protocol

        Didn't Spock die (temporarily) at the end of Wrath of Khan, only to be resurrected in the next film?

  7. Mike 137 Silver badge

    Purgatory

    It would appear that CISA is "working towards" the muskrat. However the latter's performance seems not quite as spectacular as his boss alleges. Across the board, the introduction of chaos and disruption seems to be dominating over actual cost savings. It remains to be seen how long the resulting damage will persist and how far reaching it will prove to be. I'm not hopeful.

    1. NapTime ForTruth

      Re: Purgatory

      The goal was never cost savings. The goal was to disassemble the government, weaken it's transparency and inbuilt checks and balances, and either claim it as a thinly-veiled extractive dictatorship or sell privileged access to foreign powers - or both of those last two in succession.

      This isn't a presidency, it's a minimum-violence coup.

      1. Cliffwilliams44 Silver badge

        Re: Purgatory

        Right, like the previous government was anything close to transparent! It was a giant money laundering scheme!

        What you describe is exactly what the previous regime was! Those who cannot see that are either stupid, ignorant, or demoralized idiots who cannot see reality if it slapped them in the face!

        When Europe collapses into chaos, and if things don't change soon it will, Don't expect the US to come over and fix things like before! We always thought we could depend on the UK but that assumption no longer applies!

        1. Wang Cores

          Re: Purgatory

          Wow, threatening the Brits on their own site. LOL. I hope you go invade them on your own, fool.

          1. Sgt_Oddball

            Re: Purgatory

            We'll ignore him with a firm 'tut' and the knowledge that whilst yes, Europe and the UK needed to put more into keeping themselves safe there are ways and means of doing that without hideously offending some of your best customers.

        2. John Stirling

          Re: Purgatory

          Oh bless, look at you going all Trumpist.

          1) As it turns out, no it wasn't a money laundering scheme, which is why the costs have gone up, not down. Biden, bless his dementia care, wasn't exactly what the USA needed, but neither does he appear to have been unusually venal, nor corrupt. Just given his 'turn' a decade or two after he was able to do it. You American's love your participation awards, and Biden's term as president was his.

          2) I don't think I'm stupid (and there is some objective evidence to support my admittedly biased assessment), I try hard not to be ignorant, and listening to those making constructive points is essential for that, as is engaging constructively with those of a different viewpoint - the key word is constructively - you should try it.

          3) Europe may collapse honestly. I was a remainer with Brexit because I felt that Europe needed us, and I have this one weird trick that the right wing hate, called empathy, and felt that being part of an imperfect greater whole was better. But now that your emperor has made really clear that you're unreliable, I think Europe is in a much better place than it was. Trump has single handedly brought European leaders together in ways we haven't seen in decade. So thank you. I hope it continues, but I have the same concerns as you that it may not.

          One final point. What is it that you want to rely on the UK for? I think we were there for most of your various military (mis)adventures, when you asked us, we've bought your kit, and ruined our mental health with your shitty arse antisocial media platforms. Having you go down the rabbit hole of becoming a dystopian corporate oligarchy looks like good entertainment, and it's a lesson about how fragile institutions can be, but you're wrong. If the horror that your leadership is unfurling upon your own people comes to pass, and if (as I expect) a solid body of your citizenry decide that they don't like it, then when you need help clearing up the mess, getting on your own two feet again, and taking back your democratic institutions, we will help. We'll be careful, since the last time we were on American soil in an official capacity, we were the bad guys, but we'll help. Because that's what friends do, when their cult addled, addicted, crazy schoolfriend finally smells the coffee.

          Have a nice day

  8. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

    In effect, reducing voting security...

    It appears Trump is getting his "they stole the election" excuses in early for next time around.

    1. Mark Exclamation

      Re: In effect, reducing voting security...

      I think you'll find it's more than that. Trump (and his moronic mates) will be working on a way to prevent there ever being another election in the US so they can remain in power forever. That's why they're so happy to talk to Putin; they're getting ideas and recommendations.

      1. JohnQPublicUSA

        Re: In effect, reducing voting security...

        That's exactly the point. No elections or "fake" elections that are rigged to show whomever they want it to show. USA... we used to know ye...

  9. Cliffwilliams44 Silver badge

    Spare me the crocodile tear

    CISA is a fucking joke! We have been working to get CICA certified (to bid government work, and do the things the government DOES NOT DO!)

    Most of their security standard are 10-15 year old! Requirements to make settings that don't even exist in modern Windows OS. (Internet Explorer settings!?!) There is nothing in their requirements documentation that states "If you are running Windows 2019 or late, this doesn't apply"! I would not trust these idiots to do a pen test against my network!

    Why is the tax payer even paying for this? It's just another thing that the government does not do well!

    Let the private sector develop these standards and compliance certifications.

    The government should do one simple thing, pass legislation that states, "You WILL secure your networks or face massive fines and/or jail time if you don't!" That law should apply to private AND government entities!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Spare me the crocodile tear

      > The government should do one simple thing, pass legislation that states...

      Without a defined reference for legislation, you end up with vague statements that are then always abused, by both sides. And do you want the legal goalposts to be "whatever Company X says" when you are working for Company Y?

      > Most of their security standard are 10-15 year old!

      If CISA is using standards that are behind the times, how about you get involved in updating the standards?

      Just the standards - or do you always advocate destroying the library when a few references are out of date?

      > do the things the government DOES NOT DO!

      On one hand, you complain that the government does too much, on the other, that it does too little.

  10. BPontius

    Government double talk

    A Red Team's sole purpose is to find vulnerabilities in any system or software that allows access and/or elevation of privileges. Which is exactly what penetration testing is about, looking for vulnerabilities and weaknesses allowing access. A Red Team is a live test of security and will actively enter a network(s) and system(s) moving to take control. Where penetration testing finds the vulnerabilities unknown to the administrators and reports them. They do not takeover the system(s), network(s) to interfere with the administrators\users as Red Teams do.

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