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Troubled robot vacuum-cleaner maker iRobot, abandoned by Amazon after regulators effectively doomed the web giant's takeover offer, has warned investors it may not survive the next 12 months. The biz behind the Roomba admitted in its 2024 year-end financial results that its survival depends on the success of a new product …

  1. Andy Non Silver badge

    Question

    Do these vacuum cleaners "need" to talk to servers back at HQ? So many of these fancy home appliances need to call home. Which begs the question, if the manufacturer goes bust, will the vacuum cleaners be effectively bricked and as useful as erm... a brick on the floor?

    1. that one in the corner Silver badge

      Re: Question

      > Do these vacuum cleaners "need" to talk to servers back at HQ?

      Of course. They have been mapping your home and belongings "for your convenience".

      Why else do you think Amazon wanted to buy them?

      "People whose socks stick to the floor next to the wardrobe often buy ..."

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Question

        I have visions of an expiring device croakily demanding of its younger offspring:

        Before iDyson, promise me you'll monetise all the data I've collected to support your mother and sister...

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          iRobot screwed themselves...

          Geolocked software, they don't tell you about. You spend a thousand dollars and unpack the box to see "Download this app to start your iRobot journey..." and you literally can't. When you go to their web site for support they have a pull down of every country in the world and they only allow roughly 4-5 of them to download their software. Not a word of that on their ads, marketing material or website stating this.

          I was forced to sideload the app and updates from APK files. Luckily, I know how to do that safely. The average Joe does not.

          Pricey replacement parts you can't get shipped direct to you because reasons. Needed to use an accommodation mailbox in the US.

          iRobot is the first company I have seen who is determined not to have me as a customer. They got their wish.

          My replacement was a Dreame X40 Ultra wet/dry. Better in every way and their app has built in camera / telemetry kill switches for privacy. Or if you want to sacrifice your privacy, you can chase your cats around the house while watching them on your mobile. You be you.

    2. PhilipN Silver badge

      Re: Question

      All my personal data goes from my Dyson to MI5, to stay in the database forever. I expect the 4 o'clock knock any time in the next 50 years.

      1. Paul Herber Silver badge

        Re: Question

        I say, civilisation is saved. Tiffin is still sacrosanct at MI5.

        1. collinsl Silver badge

          Re: Question

          Any time is Tiffin time!

        2. Bebu sa Ware
          Windows

          Re: Question

          "Tiffin is still sacrosanct at MI5."

          Wondering why Tiffin?

          A bit nautical or Raj but curiously derived from tiffing (dial.) ~ tippling which Quinion demurred from actually suggesting that was how many sahibs took their lunch but perhaps would not be so reticent with the Whitehall walahs in the oxymoron of British Intelligence.

          1. spold Silver badge

            Re: Question

            Classic "Carry On" movie: "Carry On up the Khyber". Tiffin is used as a synonym for naughty sexy time throughout the movie... having a break in the day for some participation in Tiffin.

            1. milliemoo83

              Re: Question

              "Classic "Carry On" movie: "Carry On up the Khyber". Tiffin is used as a synonym for naughty sexy time throughout the movie... having a break in the day for some participation in Tiffin."

              The Khasi of Khalibar. And Bunged-it-in. Not forgetting the Devils in Skirts.

              Top rank British diplomacy... I'm as two-faced as he is.

    3. doublelayer Silver badge

      Re: Question

      No, but they do for some of the services. You can make them clean on command without a connection, for example, but to schedule them to do this automatically, you do need a connection. If the company folds and nobody buys the remnants to operate the servers, the vacuums will become dumber, but they won't be bricked entirely.

      1. Version 1.0 Silver badge
        Thumb Up

        Re: Question

        I've used an iRobot cleaner for years with no network connections at all - it's still working so well and so easy cleaning all the cat fir drops up in the whole house. It would work with a network connection when I bought it but I disconnected every home connection keeping us all safe. I don't think that the iRobot had any issues but I was just shuting down everything.

    4. Sorry that handle is already taken. Silver badge

      Re: Question

      If you think it's bad when it happens to consumer devices, consider the bankruptcy of Chinese EV manufacturer WM Motor, which caused major loss of functionality in the ~100,000 vehicles it had sold when its servers went down in 2024.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    What will Internet Cats use to ride around the house?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      1. Excused Boots Silver badge
  3. David 164

    If it was a viable business, I'm sure more companies than just Amazon would be sniffing around to buy them.

    1. Richard 12 Silver badge

      Or they're just waiting for it to almost die so they can get it cheap.

      If a company seems basically ok except for cashflow problems, then they're likely to be for sale cheap Real Soon.

      1. Andy Non Silver badge
        Coat

        Yep, someone will clean up.

        1. Bill Gray
          Thumb Up

          That pun sucked.

          1. collinsl Silver badge

            Well at least they're not brushing their financial problems under the carpet

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      And if it was a public service, it would be dragged on no matter the costs.

      Nevertheless it it great that many innovations get born in high risk startups.

      The iRobot's problem could be it has no moat.

    3. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      "If it was a viable business"

      Maybe last year it was but, from TFA: "...macroeconomic conditions, and tariff policies." Trumponomics might have rendered it less so.

      1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge
        Devil

        Maybe last year it was but, from TFA: "...macroeconomic conditions, and tariff policies." Trumponomics might have rendered it less so.

        Surely they can just import all the Roombas into Canada and then they can smuggle themselves across the border to be picked up by the company's vans at various remote locations.

        Tariffs avoided. The company could even make extra profits by having them bring haggis, cocaine, illegal Canadian migrants and cats with them. If Trump then loses his war with Canada they can at least bargain with their Canadian overlords by ransoming their cats back to them, in exchange for not burning the White House again.

  4. abend0c4 Silver badge

    Troubled robot vacuum-cleaner maker...

    Not a phrase a younger me ever expected to encounter in my lifetime.

    To be fair, there have been a lot of stupid attempts to improve the vacuum cleaner - my present accommodation suffers from a centralised unit with inlets in the walls. Unfortunately, you need to lug around 10 metres of easily-tangled hose that weighs more than an average upright vacuum cleaner and takes up at least twice the volume in a cupboard. And that's before you allow for the size of the motor and dust collector.

    Why are we more reliable suckers for pointless domestic technology than the vacuums themselves?

    1. collinsl Silver badge
      Trollface

      Re: Troubled robot vacuum-cleaner maker...

      What you need is a wheeled cart for the hose to go on, like a giant hose reel, so that you can wind it up to store it and move it around. It'll only take up the bottom half of a cleaning cupboard and cost £200, it should be fine

    2. Trygve Henriksen

      Re: Troubled robot vacuum-cleaner maker...

      There are models with the hose built into the wall itself. Just pull it out and attach the head or whatever that thing is called.

      Placing outlets closer can allow you to use a shorter hose, too.

      The really big advantage to them is that they vent outside. The dust that regular vacuums require a HEPA filter for, isn't needed in a centralised vacuum.

      1. abend0c4 Silver badge

        Re: Troubled robot vacuum-cleaner maker...

        Unfortunately, the version I'm saddled with fails on all those counts. I still see new-build housing being offered with the same system. It seems the perception of modernity clouds all other judgment, whereas its historical origins are scarcely disguised.

        I don't think I'm imagining a past in which vacuum cleaners were relatively cheap, effective and utilitarian. They're the most bizarre of objects to have become lifestyle statements.

  5. spold Silver badge
    FAIL

    Roomba one minute, Doomba next minute..

  6. IGnatius T Foobar !

    Commoditization is a fierce foe.

    Robot vacuum cleaners are a commodity. You can't lock your customers in the way Microsoft and Apple do. Once the patents are expired, there's no competing with cheap chinese knockoffs.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Commoditization is a fierce foe.

      Problem for iRobot is that the 'cheap knockoffs' are much better both in technology and price than their products.

      1. iamzombie

        Re: Commoditization is a fierce foe.

        That may be true in some case, but not in my experience.

        I've got a Roomba i3 and I've got a similarly priced "cheap knockoff" Lefant M210P (it wasn't much cheaper than I paid for the i3 on black friday) and the Roomba is leaps and bounds better than the Lefant. The hardware is better, the software is better.

        Just my 2 cents.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Easy

    Open your doors.

    Bring in the leaf blower.

    Dust gone.

    1. Andy Non Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: Easy

      I thought for a moment you were going to say something like:

      Open your doors, roam free my little robotic friend, go explore the world and make it a cleaner place...

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Easy

        They have been known to do that of their own accord.

      2. David Hicklin Silver badge

        Re: Easy

        > Open your doors, roam free my little robotic friend, go explore the world and make it a cleaner place...

        Noooo! Came across one of these things slowly wandering around someone’s lawn whilst out riding the other day - poor horse almost turned himself inside our in fright !

        1. WolfFan

          Re: Easy

          Horses are notoriously easily frightened. Ride less scaredy-cat equines; some breeds of horses, particularly those descended from cavalry horses, and, of course, donkeys, mules, and zebras. Zebras don’t fear lions, much less itty-bitty robot vacuum-cleaners. They are, however, notoriously hard to tame. Mules and donkeys have been known to advance to the attack; they are often used to guard sheep herds (not shephards…) against wolves and coyotes as they _will_ attack annoying canines and smart canines see them coming and depart at high speed. Mules and donkeys, however, are notoriously unwilling to follow the commands of a mere bald ape just because said bald ape is sitting on their backs. Hmm. What to do, what to do… I know, get a big iRobot thingie and ride that. Think about it: it’ll increase their sales and save the company! And you can clean up leaves and debris as you go!

  8. TJ1
    FAIL

    Robot operated Broom cleans home, not phones!

    Admittedly I'm the one in robotic mode but as the saying goes "it beats as it sweeps as it cleans" (and it ain't called a Hoover!)

    My experience of these automatic vacuum cleaners started with a vastly expensive Roomba for office cleaning that builds a map as it goes - admittedly could be of some use - but then insists on needing an 'app' to interface with it (that requires a 'phone for the 'app') and an Internet connection to relay the data to someone else's servers. So we got to pay about £600 for a spy in the office that was noticeably noisy, couldn't operate at night (it didn't have the "A.I." to tell the alarm system which room it was entering so that zone could have the movement sensors temporarily ignored), and if operating in day-time had to be stopped if anyone was using the telephone due to the noise. We could have added all of those features to our own local management software if the device interface was local.

    A year or so later I got a cheap other brand (£150) for home. It is quieter, doesn't spy (only has an infra-red remote control), generally seems to get better results, doubles as the dog's alarm call at 6 a.m., and its random path makes for a great alternative to most television programmes! Oh, and when it collides with an obstacle it does it *quietly* unlike the Roomba.

    1. Sorry that handle is already taken. Silver badge

      Re: Robot operated Broom cleans home, not phones!

      £600!

      And there are people who still wonder why it's going out of business?

  9. Acrimonius

    What was Amazon thinking?

    Crazy the way the business world works now. Losses in millions for a number of years but yet still manages to keep going and even attract buyers with deep pockets (or more money than sense) for a billion and more

    Anyway, I hope iRobot name, in tribute to Isaac Asimov, is then available for something less prosaic as vacuum cleaners. How did it in the first place grab this iconic name?

    1. Sorry that handle is already taken. Silver badge

      Re: What was Amazon thinking?

      How did it in the first place grab this iconic name?
      By filing a trademark application before anyone else did.

  10. Locomotion69 Bronze badge
    Coat

    With the possibility that soon Roomba's will not suck anymore, I guess this was not the solution they were looking for....

  11. Fr. Ted Crilly Silver badge

    No, this...

    1 I Robot

    2 I Wouldn't Want To Be Like You

    3 Some Other Time

    4 Breakdown

    5 Don't Let It Show

    6 The Voice

    7 Nucleus

    8 Day After Day (The Show Must Go On)

    9 Total Eclipse

    10 Genesis Ch. 1 V. 32

  12. Sudosu Bronze badge

    On foreclosure day

    All the cloud connected iRobot devices will start singing..

    Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer true..

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    once led the market in robot vacuums where did it all go wrong? All the main players are now Chinese, Ecovacs, Roborock, Dreame, etc

  14. DexterWard

    Our very old, not web connected Roomba still works fine. best thing for getting the cat fur out from under the beds; and the cats cats if they happen to be under there when it starts up

    1. Bebu sa Ware
      Coat

      getting the cat ... out from under the beds

      Using your old fashioned vac without a head, just the hose and sucking up the cat's tail only once will ensure that merely turning on a vacuum cleaner will ensure all cats previously so conditioned will leave the premises most expeditiously.

      We know this because...? Kids will be kids and if their chores include the use of a vacuum cleaner and a non Manx feline is present the inevitable connection is invariably made.

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