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If Google had hoped a bit of cosying up to President Trump would soften the US government's breakup demands in the wake of its search antitrust conviction, then it was seemingly mistaken. The Trump Department of Justice filed a revised proposed final judgment [PDF] in Washington, D.C. District Court on Friday. This made most …

  1. Alex 72
    Trollface

    OK so now it's time to go after Meta, as even if the current admin approves of no moderation and social harm, with byte dance being forced out of the US market that will be a monopoly too, given the irrelevance of X and bluesky at that scale.

    1. Burgha2

      "will be a monopoly too"

      Not sure what that has to do with anything. Google simply wasn't nice enough to Trump historically, so he's going to punish them.

      Meta has probably gone full bro enough to get a pass.

  2. Dave Coventry
    Holmes

    Only $1M?

    There's the problem right there.

    1. Like a badger

      Re: Only $1M?

      Indeed. If Google had rustled up $200m or so, AND praised Trump's genius effusively, AND changed their search algos to Pump the Trump during the election, then this wouldn't be happening.

    2. sanmigueelbeer Silver badge

      Re: Only $1M?

      $1M was "insulting".

      But not delivering in a brown paper bag ... well, that just means "game on".

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Time for Google

    To move to India…. Maybe along with a bunch of other tech companies that only have a minimal US presence.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Time for Google

      But that wouldn't stop the US government choosing what happens for the US market, and it would expose Google to the confusing and contradictory tax and regulatory system in India. As furreignrs are always treated worse by US regulators and courts, it'd be mad for any US tech company to relocate outside the US, even with the orange loon and his clown show government.

      1. blu3b3rry
        Devil

        Re: Time for Google

        Maybe they'd be better off moving to Russia given President Cheese Puff's love-in with Putin.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Time for Google

        Not sure why you think an Indian company would care about "US regulators and courts". Google can just move all of the stuff the USA wants to stop to a fully owned Indian subsidiary and become a shell company in the US. They're pretty close to that already...

        Like how Starbuck's and MacDonald's don't actually own any coffee shops and restaurants. The USA market isn't a big fraction of worldwide sales of any of these companies.

        1. Yankee Doodle Doofus Bronze badge

          Re: Time for Google

          < "The USA market isn't a big fraction of worldwide sales of any of these companies."

          Citation needed...

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Time for Google

            Google is your friend...

            MacD worldwide sales: $130B, US sales: $10B

            Google worldwide sales: $280B, US sales: $25B

            1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

              Re: Time for Google

              That's nothing:

              Apple Ireland sales = $1Bazzillion

              Apple Eu + rest of Europe (+ Ireland somehow) = $0

            2. veti Silver badge

              Re: Time for Google

              McDonalds worldwide sales: a bit over $25 billion, of which US accounts for something between 30 and 40%. Not sure where you're getting your figures from.

              Google total revenue: a bit over $300 billion, though I haven't found any convincing breakdown by country - it's pretty hard to allocate earnings by country in a web business, or to put it another way it's easy to obfuscate where the money comes from.

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: Time for Google

                Wow - where did *YOU* get your numbers? The population of the USA is about 300 million (Europe 750m, China 1200m, etc).... and you think that's 40% of McD sales worldwide? Maybe 40% of the North and South America.

                10%-15% seems like a sensible number for a global company to me... maybe this is why America is going to fail, you people are all clueless about reality.

            3. localzuk

              Re: Time for Google

              I should point you to the concept of profit off-shoring. Those figures will be heavily manipulated to avoid taxation. In reality, the USA is the primary market for most of the big tech companies.

            4. EricB123 Silver badge

              Re: Time for Google

              At least Google won't give me coronary disease {as quickly}.

  4. Andy 73 Silver badge
    Joke

    Leopards eating faces

    ..that is all..

  5. IGotOut Silver badge

    What's the issue?

    Google will just lay of more if the people that matter, make their products even shitter and stuff everything with unwanted AI slip.

    It's worked in the past, so I'm sure that it will keep working. It's what investors , sorry, people want.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: What's the issue?

      Microsoft make Edge only go to Bing and renders all Youtube videos in 320x240 8 bit

  6. DoctorNine

    I'm confused...

    Which one is the bad one now? I would like to see less Googly infiltration into global mindshare, yes. But they are most certainly not the only monolith in the tech sphere which bears investigation and possible divestments. Further, if this is a generic issue, are we seeing any other monolith getting the same spanking, or are the feds only hot for California Chrome? Mightn't it be possible that there is a bit of the hanky-panky going on with who does, and who does not, get such tender discipline? Hmmm...?

    1. David Newall

      Re: I'm confused...

      Mightn't it be possible? Possible is possibly too feeble a word.

    2. localzuk

      Re: I'm confused...

      The simple answer to your question is to ask yourself "who else is legally a monopoly, and is utilising other tools to reinforce that monopoly?"...

      So, yes there are other corporate behemoths, but as far as I can see, none of them are doing that in particular. None of the social media firms have a monopoly.

      Microsoft might still be a monopoly, if you narrow the market to desktop/laptop PC OS, but if you just go with OS, then they aren't. They certainly aren't a monopoly in the browser, server or productivity suite space any more.

      Apple are a monopoly in their own ecosystem, so there's potentially some argument to be had their about app store access.

      But your post was rather a wide brush, so who is it you're thinking of?

    3. ecofeco Silver badge
      FAIL

      Re: I'm confused...

      It's quite simple: big tech? Big douche.

      No need to single one out. Just assume they all suck and work backwards from there.

      This has been a public safety service announcement

  7. crossroads

    It's good to see the new administration doing something about Google's monopoly... even though they're probably doing it for the wrong reasons.

    1. collinsl Silver badge

      I'd hardly say they're "doing something about it" - they've just not actively stopped the work the previous administration did. Trump probably doesn't care two hoots about this case one way or the other, probably because his focus is elsewhere.

  8. flayman

    Is Google actually anti-competitive with Chrome?

    This is a genuine question. I used to prefer Chrome, but now I use Edge, which is also Chromium based. I know a lot of others who do. It's a good browser that runs well on all platforms. Microsoft has been very smart with their rewards program, which is how I got onto it or maybe why I've stuck with it. I also use Bing now pretty much exclusively for search. I see Google losing its monopoly, and I question whether Chrome still has the edge (pun intended) going forward.

    1. localzuk

      Re: Is Google actually anti-competitive with Chrome?

      Its not so much about Chrome being a monopoly but rather the advertising market that they're utilising Chrome and other anti-competitive practices to keep.

    2. K555

      I also use Bing now pretty much exclusively for search

      I can't say that I've ever seen or heard someone declare that they use Bing to search (deliberately).

      No judgement, it's just a very rare thing!

      1. flayman

        Re: I also use Bing now pretty much exclusively for search

        I was as surprised as you are, but I like Microsoft Rewards so much that I ended up adopting it. Turns out it's a really good search engine, especially coupled with Co-Pilot.

        According to these statistics, Chrome still has 70% share, with Safari a distant second: https://gs.statcounter.com/. Clearly Google are still dominant.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    crapto coins

    He should have bought some a few billion of those melani coins and written it off as a loss making entity to get some tax back :)

  10. schultzter
    WTF?

    ELI5

    How does selling off Chrome actually work?

    I've seen estimates saying it's worth $20B but that's because of the Googley bits that were added to open-source Chromium; and there are plenty of alternative Chromium based browsers out there - even Microsoft has one! Those have either replaced the Googley bits with their own equally evil bits or they're selling point is the lack of eny evil Googley bits.

    So how does Google sell something for $20B that anyone who's really interested in can get for free already?

    And who would be interested in having a browser, and has the expertise to maintain and continue developing it, that has $20B lying around that hasn't already built a Chromium based browser (don't say Apple because a. they're openly hostile towards the Chrome way; and b. Chromium was originally based on WebKit that Safari is based on).

    Maybe they can do a swap with ByteDance?!

    1. localzuk

      Re: ELI5

      You're buying the users, and the platform for advertising. So, lots of companies would be interested.

      I suspect someone like X would be very interested... X Browser here we come.

      1. K555

        Re: ELI5

        I want to give you an up vote for very possibly being right.

        And a downvote for making me more miserable than I already was.

  11. Missing Semicolon Silver badge

    Google admit it in their own response.

    If constraining Google's business "would harm America's consumers, economy, and national security", then they are too big and have a monopolistic influence.

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