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Chipmaking tool biz ASML plans to open a new facility in China this year amid rising trade tensions between Washington and Beijing. The supplier of advanced lithography equipment disclosed in its latest Annual Report that it aims to inaugurate a Beijing-based Reuse & Repair Center in 2025, recognizing the importance of China …

  1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    Good luck with trying to sanction ASML (and presumably all its customers).

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      The orange bully will have no problem sanctioning ASML. Strictly speaking it would be unwise for any sane person to try, because the Netherlands have a $30bn odd trade deficit with the US, but fat boy will work on the basis that if he leans on the Germans they'll have a word with the Dutch. And he'll probably be right.

      The Europeans could in theory place sanctions on ASML exporting to the US and that would be interesting, but I can't see that happening any time ever. Or, they could announce that they're lifting the existing restrictions on ASML exports to China. Again, can't see that happening either.

      Unfortunately, as with all bullies, he'll keep throwing his ample weight around until somebody does stand up to him.

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        The inevitable result would be that he would have to sanction every semi-conductor company that does business with them which is probably all those not already sanctioned. That would effectively stop the US manufacturing or importing any semiconductors.

      2. Avon B7

        EU anti-sanctions laws

        It's important to remember that the EU can respond directly to unilateral US sanctions with its own anti-sanctions legislation (which has been used before, and precisely against the US)

      3. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        >The orange bully will have no problem sanctioning ASML.

        10000% tariffs on any ASML machines sent to the USA - that'll teach those round cheese eating, clog wearers

  2. elsergiovolador Silver badge

    ASML should ignore the US, just like the US ignores Europe.

    Krasnov made the bed with Russia.

    1. HuBo Silver badge
      Gimp

      Yeah, with the Orange Kompromat in Chief disaligning the US away from European romance, in favor of its stilted mother Russia dominatrix mistress, one can only expect the jilted loverblock to exact its scorned wrath and fury, the likes of which hell hath never seen before, by indeed intensifying its torrid love affair with kryptonitic US arch-nemesis China.

      Yes, China is the new BBC to the EU, its tech is bigger, longer, faster, freer (by comparison), deeper seeking, and more agile with its hands than can be had with the butchered Barbiecore and cowboy cosplay favored by its dildo ex and flacid new toy-handler. China will, by contrast, effortlessly execute the whole gamut of exciting new acrobatic wonders, in the exclusive canopy boudoir environments, of the most intimate of EU diplomacies ...

      So long ketamine-jester shipwreck and Orange saddlebags, Papa EU's got a brand new bag! huh! hah! get down! heh! I jump back, I wanna kiss myself! huh! good Lord!

      (obviously a work of fiction ... any similarities with reality is purely coincidental ... or not?)

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Must be awesome living outside the Great Wall of Trumpna. It's like Escape from New York in here, just way more dystopian.

      2. Mark Exclamation

        Are you related to amanfrommars1?

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        @HuBo - I really do hope

        your post is a copy/paste from the hallucinations of an AI bot. It is the only way it could make sense.

  3. MrBanana Silver badge

    Pssst.. Do you want some secondhand EUV tech?

    ASML seem to have sidestepped export restrictions on new kit by refurbing old equipment. A bit like webuyanyphotolithographyequipment.com.

    Will it fly? With the Orange Toddler in the Whitehouse, who knows where tariffs, sanctions, or anything else will be headed - it is only Monday.

    1. cyberdemon Silver badge
      Pint

      Re: Pssst.. Do you want some secondhand EUV tech?

      If you take a photolithography machine and replace all of its components, is it the same photolithography machine?

      1. Paul Crawford Silver badge

        Re: Pssst.. Do you want some secondhand EUV tech?

        Only when made by Theseus

      2. UK DM

        Re: Pssst.. Do you want some secondhand EUV tech?

        "I've had the same broom 20 years, its' had 17 new heads and 14 new handles"

        1. Paul Crawford Silver badge
          Pirate

          Re: Pssst.. Do you want some secondhand EUV tech?

          Well someone has to sweep the deck!

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Not a huge China fan…

    …but remind me why Europe has sanctions on China?

    Isn’t picking fights with China a USA priority?

    1. Sandtitz Silver badge

      Re: Not a huge China fan…

      "…but remind me why Europe has sanctions on China?"

      Cyber attacks on EU, providing weapons for Russia, mistreating the Uyghurs.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Not a huge China fan…

        >Cyber attacks on EU, providing weapons for Russia, mistreating the Uyghurs.

        You can't spy on the Eu and mistreat Muslims, that's our job

        1. Sandtitz Silver badge

          Re: Not a huge China fan…

          "You can't spy on the Eu and mistreat Muslims, that's our job"

          Who's job?

          1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

            Re: Not a huge China fan…

            Pretty much any English speaking government intelligence agency

  5. Avon B7

    Huawei Euv?

    If Huawei does actually manage to not only design and manufacture a viable EUV solution, but mass produce chips with it in 2026, expect Trump to go from orange to a whiter shade of pale in the blink of an eye.

    Rumours since 2020 have consistently pointed to Huawei moving in this direction, through strategic investments, partnerships with universities and startups. The only doubt was a timeline.

    Even last year there were rumours of a new site coming online and some described the place as one huge EUV solution. That rumour wasn't given much credibility but....

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: Huawei Euv?

      But surely that was the plan all along?

      If you cut off an emerging economy from buying your existing products they are going to innovate and produce cheaper and eventually better alternatives.

      America is just paying-it-forward in the same way that its early industry was boosted by restrictions from the British Empire

      1. Justthefacts Silver badge

        Re: Huawei Euv?

        ASML is a Dutch company. The EU Commission wrote and enforces these sanctions, not USA.

    2. Roland6 Silver badge

      Re: Huawei Euv?

      So the Orange one has sped up the rise of China and the decline of the US…

      1. Paul Crawford Silver badge
        Facepalm

        Re: Huawei Euv?

        So the Orange one has sped up the rise of China and the decline of the US…

        Well I don't know about speeding up the rise of China, but on the decline of the USA it is pretty much a done deal...

      2. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: Huawei Euv?

        Sped up the rise of China and competition and therefore the common good. A rising tide raises all boats sort of thing.

        Really he is a benefactor of all mankind

  6. UK DM

    And so the end run around merrica begins...

    At some point they will be left holding expensive IP on chips that the world no longer needs. As a suitably useful alternative will be available that doesn't require royalty payments to be made and the complete supply chain will exist entirely outside of American control.

    1. David Newall

      Re: And so the end run around merrica begins...

      Maybe Trump's boss wants that. What's bad for USA is good for Russia.

    2. Justthefacts Silver badge

      Re: And so the end run around merrica begins...

      Maybe…. but I wonder if you are clear what you actually mean by US-controlled IP….or if it’s more of that “ARM / x86 ISA royalty” nonsense.

      To prototype any new CPU design, you need FPGAs, lots of them. And for complex CPUs you need really high-end ones. You just can’t do this fully in simulation, it’s orders of magnitude too slow. There are only two viable FPGA vendors, and both of them are US-owned.

      All the vital chip-design EDA software vendors, like Synopsys, Cadence, Mentor Graphics, Keysight, Altium are all US-based. Whether its synthesis, place-route, power analysis, clock trees, power domains, computational lithography, DFM / DFT / reliability. It’s all US software. And it’s all *annual licenses, seat-based*, none of it is “bought and owned”. The open-source stuff is just toys for university students.

      There are certainly stages in the chip-design / manufacture that are *not* US-bottlenecked. But enough of them *are* that EU cannot make a chip without US agreement without at least 20+ years R&D.

      Similarly with the various sets of expertise out in APAC: not just the silicon fabs, but test, advanced packaging etc.

      What EU excel in, is the most complex silicon fab tools, a fantastic high-margin business, selling in units of only dozens of machines worldwide, but each one selling for tens or hundreds of millions. They lead the world in that. Not just ASML, but various Austrian, Swiss and a couple German companies.

      Look, it’s an incredibly complex global supply chain. Every region has its specialism. This tariffs/protectionism stuff is literally suicidal for all concerned. The EU trying to make sovereign chips, with the other regions actively sanctioning, is laughable. But so would be if the USA tried. And so would be Taiwan, or China, or South Korea. It just *doesn’t work that way*.

  7. Bebu sa Ware
    Coat

    Perhaps time to (re)learn the arts of industrial espionage.

    "mass manufacturing targeted for 2026. It is said to use a technique called laser-induced discharge plasma (LDP), claimed to be simpler and less costly than ASML's laser-produced plasma (LPP) technology."

    Perhaps ASML is positioning itself for a future technology sharing arrangement with Huawei when the EU doesn't give a rat's about US policy and conveniently forgets the Uighurs.

    If as seems very likely that the US disappears up its own arse, Europe and the rest of world with have to deal with the realpolitik of the expanding role of China in the absence of a credible US.

    Who knows in the absence of effective US coercion a beneficial détente might be reached between the PRC and the rest of the world.

    Although my guess is that China has so many pressing domestic problems that its global engagement will also falter and turn inwards thus with each of the two super[sic]powers' heads firmly wedged up their respective bums the task of limiting the consequent fallout and maintaining some sort of global order will fall on smaller nations and groupings of nations.

    Unfortunately interesting times.

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