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The American military has signed a deal with Scale AI to give artificial intelligence, as far as we can tell, its most prominent role in the Western defense sector to date – with AI agents to now be used in planning and operations.  The value of the contract, awarded as part of the US Defense Innovation Unit's Thunderforge …

  1. Andy Non Silver badge
    Mushroom

    Thunderforge?

    They missed a trick there. Should have named it WOPR.

    Where's my dial up modem so I can play a game...

    1. b0llchit Silver badge
      FAIL

      Re: Thunderforge?

      Yes, Thunderforge, stubbornly failing to understand Tic-Tac-Toe.

      At least the name is a good bang sparking hot flames to melt the atmosphere.

    2. diodesign (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

      Or given today's relations with Russia

      Skynyet

      (Needs work)

      1. b0llchit Silver badge
        Coat

        Re: Or given today's relations with Russia

        And it is talking pravda?

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Thunderforge?

      "A strange game. The only winning move is not to - let you live, meatbags"

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Thunderforge?

        Kiss my shiny metal ass!

    4. AndreasKlein

      Re: Thunderforge?

      1. The most responsible AI bot is currently developed in Tel Aviv, by Iliya Sutskever; as long as he controls its development.

      2. The problem with international moratoria is that it is close to impossible to know what really happens in powerful authoritarian countries (without elections), so I can't see the logic of any treaty or worst: a unilateral stop of AI development in the free world.

      3. If the LA Times reporters can't accept there are positive traits of bad people or bad organizations then they aren't fully human and switching them with an AI is not such a bad idea.

    5. AndreasKlein

      Re: Thunderforge?

      Woops is better :o)

  2. The Man Who Fell To Earth Silver badge
    FAIL

    What..

    could possibly go wrong?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: What..

      Until recently, the competition would have been the reasoned consideration of experienced military personnel and AI might have been at a disadvantage. Now, it only has to perform better than the whimiscal musings of the Führer of Inferior Canada, so perhaps there's scope for it to be an improvement.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: What..

        > Inferior Canada

        or North Mexico?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: What..

          Estados Unidos del Norte Mexico

          I kinda like the sound of that. It's ... flavorful.

      2. The man with a spanner Silver badge

        Re: What..

        Is President TRUMP simply Peter Thiel's malevolent halucenating AI cyborg. It would explain a lot.

        1. Ken G Silver badge
          Black Helicopters

          Re: What..

          Not yet, but they're building it. Imagine a President for Life, without the Life.

          A virtual Trump can look and sound like the original and translate any policy from Musk and Thiel into Trump-speak but will never stroke out.

          Look out for a minor medical episode from which he bounces back stronger but stops appearing in public.

          (unless there are doubles, can you imagine a more financially rewarding but spiritually draining job than being Trump's double?)

  3. Omnipresent Silver badge

    LMeverlovingAO

    Microsoft and fox news in charge of the us military.

    We are DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED. Just start digging the doom shelter now.

    1. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

      Re: LMeverlovingAO

      If you are located on US continent: Yep, and dig deep! I hope it does not make the leap to Europe...

      1. AndreasKlein

        Re: LMeverlovingAO

        Its bOring

  4. Eclectic Man Silver badge
    Unhappy

    under human oversight

    /begin{Sarcasm}

    Oh well, that's OK then, because no human ever just did what the computer told them.

    /end{Sarcasm}

    We've seen time and again AI systems discriminate against poor people, black people, and implement the biases (conscious or subconscious) of their programmers. See the Register's extensive archive of AI failures. Now we'll love AI or feel its wrath.

  5. that one in the corner Silver badge

    "I see you are trying to

    Invade Greenland; would you like some help with that?"

    Select:

    1) Wth is Greenland anyway?

    2) Why? Just - why?

  6. Bebu sa Ware
    Coat

    "White supremacist group being run out of Orange County a century ago"

    "being run out of"

    That being expelled from or organised from?

    I suppose given the location the latter is the more likely.

  7. Bebu sa Ware
    Coat

    Now is for "the Moment?"

    Given the extreme shortage of functional neurons in the current administration I would imagine you would be obliged to keep the interface extremely simple. Certainly no more than a big red button although the C-in-C probably wouldn't be averse to have a choice bit of crumpet sitting on it instead.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Now is for "the Moment?"

      I don't think Americans do crumpet, the closest is the American muffin in an Egg McMooby Muffin.

    2. Benegesserict Cumbersomberbatch Silver badge

      Re: Now is for "the Moment?"

      You could have taken the words right out of Dr. Strangelove's mouth.

  8. An_Old_Dog Silver badge
    Facepalm

    Ancient-School Tech

    "Today's military planning processes rely on decades-old technology and methodologies, creating a fundamental mismatch between the speed of modern warfare and our ability to respond."

    "Decades-old technology and methodologies": do you mean, "the human brain," and, "thinking"?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Ancient-School Tech

      I read an article about the Russians turning old T-72 tanks into AI controlled killer robots.

      I think it didn't quite work since it required upgrading the sensors with expensive electronics instead of using cheap disposable conscripts.

  9. An_Old_Dog Silver badge

    Planning, Reacting, and Time Constraints

    * "Planning" is something you do in advance. Planning is something you do in advance so that you can respond quickly. If you are in a lightning-speed war, your generals are no longer planning. They are reacting.

    * If you are in a lightning-speed war and need AI to speed your reaction time, you are not going to have time fact-check your AI's output.

    * "No plan survives contact with the enemy."

    * AI (trained on the Internet and US pop culture) military advice:

    (i) Never get into a land war in Asia;

    (ii) Never go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line.

    1. CorwinX Bronze badge

      Re: Planning, Reacting, and Time Constraints

      All the thumbs up for the Princess Bride quote.

    2. CorwinX Bronze badge

      Re: Planning, Reacting, and Time Constraints

      Also... "Inconceivable"

      "You keep using that word... I do not think it means what you think it means"

  10. blu3b3rry

    How long before the AI starts hallucinating that the new threat to the USA (President Cheese Puff and co. excepted of course) is Latveria?

    Or Narnia? I propose a $5bn DARPA project in to study how to securely seal the nation's wardrobes from use as an invasion vector.

    1. The man with a spanner Silver badge

      Is 'Cheese Puff' the code name for el presidente... bringing 3rd world levels of corruption to 'the free world'.

  11. Fonant Silver badge

    AI?

    Are they talking about some different type of "AI" than the currently-overhyped LLMs?

    "making Thunderforge’s reasoning process legible, so users can trace its logic"

    I don't think anything LLMs do can be classed as being "reasoning" or "logic". They're statistical models based on words. Bullshit generators.

    1. that one in the corner Silver badge

      Re: AI?

      You are correct - LLMs have absolutely no way to explain their process, let alone in a "legible" (do you think he meant to say "comprehensible"?[2]) way.

      So they are going to spaff huge amounts of money[1] and resources chasing something any honest researcher wil tel them isn't sane. With luck, somebody will divert funding (back) into techniques that have explanatory power at their core, not just some mirage generator hot glued onto a phantasmagoria box - but they'd be pissing into the wind coming from - well, let's just leave "FSD" as a hint.

      [1] isn't there supposed to be a department cutting wasteful spending? On the tip of my tongue...

      [2] what fun it'll be, when the private contractor shows up in six months[3] time, dumps a five foot printout of weightings onto the desk, all beautifully rendered in a highly-readable font[4] - "you said 'legible'".

      [3] it takes time to squirrel away the DoD payments offshore

      [4] comic sans

  12. JC53

    “For fear of being shut out of the White House press corps, main stream media as well as the Fox entertainment network, declined to question why a major command and control facility for the project was opened in Red Square.”

    1. AndreasKlein

      That in the Red Square is a newby. Shenzen is its father and its mother is named Guangzhu.

  13. CorwinX Bronze badge

    Repeating myself slightly here

    But if someone decides to call this offal Skynet then I'm going to be in the market for a decommissioned nuclear bunker. ;-)

    I doubt there will ever be true artificial intelligence.

    Just because they want to badge a ream of clever algorithms, trained on illegally harvested copyrighted books/articles, and say it's intelligent...

    Biggest problem is that the creators of this stuff don't get the differences between Clever, Intelligence and Knowledge.

    I'm intelligent, but my beloved cat is more clever than I am.

    I'm very well-read but that just means I have lots of (mostly useless) Knowledge - not necessarily the Intelligence to use it effectively.

    1. CorwinX Bronze badge

      Re: Repeating myself slightly here

      Messed up the above post slightly - accidentally cut the line about Knowledge.

      You can have all the knowledge in the wprld and still be an itiot in real terms.

  14. Stuart Castle

    I know a lot of people consider it an awful film, but did none of the Pentagon advisors and staff watch Terminiator 3? This is how Skynet started..

    1. veti Silver badge

      And Frankenstein started as a young man with an avid desire to understand natural science, should we discourage people from doing that too?

  15. John Miles

    Let's hope - SMBC Rise of the machines is right.

  16. The Oncoming Scorn Silver badge
    Black Helicopters

    So

    The Machine or Samaritan.

  17. Conundrum1885

    Moral AI

    Surely the problem with AI is that it is a 'Soulless machine' and has no sense of morality whatsoever?

    The fact that recent issues have appeared with LLMs generating hazardous content because someone found a way around

    the programmed safeguards like running time backwards, suggests that we are in danger.

    Ignoring for the moment that humans may or may not be self-aware, a machine that has the capability of self judgement may

    and probably would consider the fleshy meatbags (tm) that created it to be a grave threat only if they tried to turn it off.

    This isn't mere speculation, there have been cases where individuals put themselves in danger by following instructions online

    without fully understanding the risks, later traced back to old Usenet pages that had been scraped by an LLM.

    We need to consider that this creation may become a Frankenstein's Monster and replace us, if we want it to or not.

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