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The authorities in Singapore have charged three men with fraud, allegedly in connection with the shipment of Nvidia GPUs into China in violation of US export controls. According to local media, nine people were arrested after Singapore police and customs authorities raided 22 locations on Wednesday seizing documentation and …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Hang on...

    If I buy a load of kit from NVIDIA (which is made in Taiwan) and ship it to Singapore, then I sell it to China.

    At which point did I export from the US?

    1. O'Reg Inalsin

      Re: Hang on...

      As long as the equipment doesn't violate any of the agreements with NVidia over their IP, then none.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Hang on...

      When you buy them, there will be conditions of sale. That's where these restrictions hide, and "I didn't know" isn't going to cut it.

      That said, these restrictions are actually an absolute boon for China as it will encourage them to develop their own while the US continuous to believe that only they have smart people (it only takes one look at the criminals they voted into the White House to disprove that notion, but I digress). The end result will be that the US will eventually have to pull a Huawei on whoever comes up with better gear.

      Give it a few years.

      1. Alan Brown Silver badge

        Re: Hang on...

        Huawei didn't steal anyone's ideas. They just implemented the existing ones better |(despite some schoolboy errors in parts of the coding - the big kerfuffle about "vulnerable routers" about a decade back was actually holes in the 3COM code of the boxes they'd been building under license before switching to Wind River Linux for their Broadcom Trident based switches (most of the switching and routing happens in the Trident silicon, not the OS)

        3COM shipped equipment with those errors for YEARS after the Huawei smearing campaign (and long after Huawei stopped licensing ComOs and 3com silicon)

        The Huawei ban was trade wars. Bear in mind that in the 12 months leading up to it, there were NINE hardcoded vulnerabilities found in Cisco kit and most were heavily obfuscated, vs the 1 that was found in Huawei and was the result of those schoolboy errors (for the most part the Huawei kit underpinnings are simply embedded-Linux - Wind River Linux).

        The US-China trade war is beneficial to most of the rest of us as it means that China is having to independently develop a lot of stuff which right now is only single sourced and alternative methods sometimes turn out to be BETTER than the original ones

        .

        1. GNU Enjoyer
          Angel

          Re: Hang on...

          >there were NINE hardcoded vulnerabilities found in Cisco kit and most were heavily obfuscated

          Do you have a source for those proprietary backdoors?

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Hang on...

            NSA ?

            :)

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Hang on...

          Huawei didn't steal anyone's ideas. They just implemented the existing ones better

          That's what I meant. Huawei's "crime" was merely being so far ahead of US manufacturers they didn't have a hope of catching up, so they opened the BS box and started badmouthing Huawei, combined with the usual international blackmail.

    3. anothercynic Silver badge

      Re: Hang on...

      Nvidia is a US-registered company. The contracts are likely to be in US Dollars.

      Both of which mean that you fall within the sphere of influence of the US judiciary, as much as you never touched US soil, you touched US 'things', so you're busted.

  2. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

    Is Singapore the 51st US state?

    The USA can do their laws in the USA, but why does it apply to Singapore that the USA is saysing "not sell to <whoever wherever>"?

    The US reach is beyond weird every time such things pop up...

    Edit: Oh I forgot Taiwan is the 51st state, Singapore the 52nd...

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Is Singapore the 51st US state?

      The US still has enough power to blackmail other nations, that's one of the reasons so many nations are divesting themselves of dollar assets and plan to buy energy in different currencies.

      Trump appears to be accelerating that trend on behalf of Putin.

      1. Alan Brown Silver badge

        Re: Is Singapore the 51st US state?

        The death blow of USD hegemony will be OPEC states deciding that they'll take payments in currencies other than USD

        Deciding such things is a large part of the reasoning behind the hostility the USA shows to Iran and Venezuela and is rumoured to be behind the Arab Spring in Libya as well as Gulf War 2. If the Saudis make the switch (or a majority of OPEC members do) it's game over for USD

    2. TimMaher Silver badge
      Facepalm

      Re: Is Singapore the 51st US state?

      No, no!

      It’s Canada. Ask the citrus fruit.

      1. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

        Re: Is Singapore the 51st US state?

        Yeah, they tried, but another war with Canada... Imagine: For about 177 years ( + 30 days today, Mexican war) there was no against-foreigner war on American ground, only internal US against US. The US canadian war is over 200 years in the past. There is something when it happens on ACTUAL 'murican grounds, not somewhere on the other side of whatever ocean which most 'muricans could not care less.

      2. Kaufman

        Re: Is Singapore the 51st US state?

        Canada was always the 51 state and the UK was always the 52. It's just never been labeled that way, yet.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Singaporean jail

    Clean and orderly but harsh.

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