What fool would waste time on an RFP from the US federal government at this juncture?
DARPA seeks ideas for 'large bio-mechanical space structures'
The US Department of Defense's research arm, DARPA, has put out a Request for Information (RFI) for "large bio-mechanical space structures." It all sounds a bit like science-fiction, and DARPA has pursued more than its fair share of wild ideas in the past – the autonomous tank is a particular favorite of this writer – but the …
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Thursday 27th February 2025 21:49 GMT Eclectic Man
Re: You can't create matter
Article states:
the feasibility of "growing" a huge biological structure in microgravity rather than having to haul up the building blocks from Earth.
The agency is looking for structures more than 500 meters long. It envisages uses including vast nets for orbital debris collection,
So maybe it would be a space scavenger, like the space-ship 'Red Dwarf' in the UK TV series of that name. It could then build the large structure from satellites and satellite debris other people have launched (there are a a lot of Starlink satellites in orbit). But OTOH, just getting something that could gather space junk, process it and build it into something useful would be very difficult.
So, on the whole I am, not convinced this has been all that well thought through.
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Friday 28th February 2025 06:22 GMT Bebu sa Ware
Re: You can't create matter
"And to grow a tree, requires the tree's weight in CO2 and water to be converted by photosynthesis, which will have to be sent up from Earth"
Or from the Moon which does have water and minerals but not sure about carbon though but you would perform most of the operations on the lunar surface or at least in lunar orbit before deployment to Earth orbit or wherever.
I am guessing that this is more about bulk than mass (L3 v. M)
Sending up prefabricated components still has a volume inefficiency I suspect.
One idea is to break everything down to minimal elements something like Meccano™ with a solar powered, automated orbital assembler to construct, and later repair, the required structures with the potential to later disassemble and reuse the components.
This is (very) little like biology where basic units like sugars (glucose), amino acids, fatty acids are mixed and matched to produce complex structures much of which will be broken down and reused.
I suspect much of the crap that emaninates from DARPA (and the US MIC, or the US in general) is to test said crap's mural adhesivity. ;)
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Friday 28th February 2025 03:28 GMT that one in the corner
Re: Ha s someone at DARPA been watching "The Expanse"
I was thinking more Brian Aldiss, "Hothouse": plants in every ecological niche, with pinwheel trees in orbit that scoop your giant beetleoid out of the atmosphere and fling it towards the moon.
Was never quite convinced by the morels, that was a bit too much "similarity magic" even for a younger me to accept.
Now, if they were willing to go for something a bit more animal-based (as the "skin" example hints?), then John Varley's "Titan"/"Wizard"/"Demon" gives us more deliberately engineered organisms ("Hothouse" was an all-natural environment).
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Thursday 27th February 2025 21:33 GMT HuBo
The bioItalian bioJob bioSpace Project bioProposal
This will definitely require a systems approach imho. For a large bioenclosure, one needs structural biosupports and biocloth, along with a method for bioassembly. Engineering sophomores have already learnt how to design (calcs and all), and construct, massive bridges out of biospaghetti and it seems that the approach could surely be applied in space, without the extra students loading. So part of the overall device here will be that subsystem that grows biowheat in space, and converts it to biospaghetti. Bonus: you can eat the leftover biomaterials if desired!
For the cloth part, as with properly comfortable underwear, it's clear that the best approach is to employ silkworms, which have a long tradition in both Japanese and Chinese space programs, and generally have a great future in space. Susbsytem #2 then is that where silkworms are grown, their silk is harvested, and the relevant very large underwear textile cloth is woven. Bonus: you can eat the leftover biomaterials here too, if desired!
The matter of bioassembly of the biostructure and biocloth, in space, is only slightly more challenging. The trick there is obviously to engage controllable extremophiles that can withstand the harsh conditions of outer space, for a sufficient amount of time, as they diligently perform their intricate task of rapid directional deployment and growth. For this purpose, the proposed project endeavors to combine the tried-and-tested extreme environment resistance and perfect space-looks of Burning Man extremophile Triops, with the speed and agility of solar-powered, remote-controlled cyborg cockroaches.
The biospace-efficient hybrid organisms will be biodeveloped using standard gene-gun interbreeding techniques, at our certified BioSafety Level-3 secret facility, under the resolute desk, again (as usual). Extensive testing will be performed above the resolute desk, with biospaghetti and balls of biocloth strategically positioned within a biospace saucer implement, upon which the biohybrid triop-roaches will be introduced to assess their rate of bioassembly using SOP. The same experimentation will be repeated in the vomit comet, LEO, and outer space, over the course of the project. Bonus: if you remove the micro-solar panels, and the triop bits, and a couple other things, you can eat the leftovers, if really, really hungry!
Detailed Budget -- Year 1: $100B, Year 2: $100B, Year 3: $100B, Year 4: $100B, Years 5-10: %600B (a bargain!)
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Thursday 27th February 2025 23:20 GMT Ascy
I've heard rumours in recent years of the possibility of a B5 remake. JMS has apparently been shopping around for a buyer to fund production after some network pulled out. Getting DARPA to turn it into a documentary instead is a genius move and I really didn't see that coming. Would love my own real White Star. No more motorway jams for me.
Hopefully DARPA have budget to do Farscape and Lexx, whilst they're at it, both of which have some of my favourite lines of all time, such as:
"Bend over tubby!"
"It's not you, it's me. I don't like you. "
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Thursday 27th February 2025 23:47 GMT Wang Cores
The System Shock 2 quotes will continue until reality improves
From: DIEGO, W. Re: Our Alliance
I believe the plans the Many have for me are greater than I even imagined. The change is upon me. But the path is more glorious than we imagined. It does not stop at a mere single MUTATION. The form I've been promised is more beautiful than even that...
They tell me I will FLOAT THROUGH THE AIR and strIKE at the foes of our biOMASs with my mind... with oUR mInd... my cup RUNNETH overRRRRRR...
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Friday 28th February 2025 10:20 GMT Fruit and Nutcase
Coconuts!
Somewhat impractical due to relatively slow growth, but the wood is quite suitable for construction.
Sell it to Trump as a real-estate development - Palm Beach on the Moon, with a Trump Plaza hotel and Golf course. He'll provide the funding.
Given his age, he won't live to see it, but blow the funds while it lasts
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Friday 28th February 2025 21:24 GMT CorwinX
If someone ever figures out...
... how to reliably produce spider silk artificially, on an industrial scale, will probably be up for a Nobel.
The proteins and enzymes involved, their reaction to air, the seconds (microseconds?) it takes to harden, it's tensile strength compared to it's size...
Then you've got the construction of the web - a perfect geometric structure built by a creature, sometimes smaller than a fingernail.
Plus the line from the centre it hooks round it's back leg to sense vibrations.
And these guys think they're more clever than a spider.
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Friday 28th February 2025 22:23 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: If someone ever figures out...
Yeah, I think what DARPA wants is indeed for top-creatives (such as yourself) to write detailed project proposals outlining their plan to develop such things as your space-proof genetically-engineered "spider-like creature with telepathic abilities" that could metabolically generate high tensile strength silk and webs for a relevant space-usage of your choice, from space itself.
And in this case, it may pay to design it to be large enough that it can weave its martian-like spiderwebs over the target 500m distance ... or use a well-trained army of such spiders ...
Go for it!
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