back to article Murena kicks Google out of the Pixel Tablet

We had a play with Murena's first tablet, a Google Pixel running /e/OS, its in-house de-Googled Android 13 with additional privacy features. The Murena Pixel Tablet came out just last week, but The Register had its talons on a pre-release unit for a month. There are a few glitches here and there, but the experience is good, …

  1. Captain Hogwash Silver badge

    This...

    doesn't make much sense

    "a de-Googled tablet makes more sense than a de-Googled phone. It's now common, even normal, to do contactless payments with a smartphone, use it to store tickets and membership cards, run banking apps, and so on. A device that can't do this, or even makes it harder, is significantly crippled."

    in the context of this...

    "if you don't mind doing a little extra work to avoid having your data stored for you by giant foreign corporations with questionable records on privacy"

    Those of us who belong to the latter group tend not to also inhabit the former.

    I am in my seventh year of using e/OS/ on phones and can see no use for a tablet in my life.

    1. Liam Proven (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

      Re: This...

      That's fair enough. I don't have much use for tablets myself, and I don't own any remotely modern one.

      However some folks do. I think there's overlap between fans of FOSS and data sovereignty, and gens of fondleslabs.

      1. Jeff3171351982

        Re: This...

        I want to have my kids view PDFs and use jellyfin and similar things, but no cloud. So this is what I want (for a long time now).

        Price-wise, I get that $549 is not necessarily unreasonable, however, it kind of hurts when the google version of the tablet is $299. I instinctively looked to see if e/OS had a downloadable installer for the google tablet, but it is not listed among its 21 supported devices--e/OS self-install on $299 tablet is the way I would like to go.

        1. Steve Graham

          Re: This...

          There's a version of the pure LineageOS/microG for it. For free, obviously.

        2. ianbetteridge

          Re: This...

          Graphene OS supports the Pixel Tablet, although I haven't tried it myself.

      2. Liam Proven (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

        Re: This...

        * fans of fondleslabs

    2. Greybearded old scrote

      Re: This...

      How young are you? When things start going grey you'll probably get it.

      1. Liam Proven (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

        Re: This...

        > How young are you? When things start going grey you'll probably get it.

        Grey? *Grey*? They're white and increasingly falling off altogether.

        Let's put it this way: I remember the Apollo 11 moon landing.

        1. Greybearded old scrote
          WTF?

          Re: This...

          Me too. It was a shock when the 50th anniversary articles started to look familiar. Another year or so and it will be 60th anniversaries.

      2. Captain Hogwash Silver badge

        Re: How young are you?

        Close to 60.

    3. Ol'Peculier

      Re: This...

      I travel quite a bit and a tablet is my perfect companion. Preload with content and don't have to rely on what's available on the screen in front of you. (I find it almost impossible to sleep whilst flying unless it's ultra longhaul)

    4. Roj Blake Silver badge

      Re: This...

      My /e/os phone has Revolut, Eventbrite, OutSavvy, Skiddle, and DICE all installed and they work fine. So banking and tickets are very achievable.

    5. Graham Cobb

      Re: This...

      Actually I find a tablet useful when travelling (I'm retired now and don't always want to take my laptop with me). I have gone through several tablets with /e/OS (I tend to leave them on planes - the downside of not being a laptop!).

      Currently I am using a Samsung tablet, bought inexpensively off eBay - it says SM-P615 on the back. I guess it is convenient to have a Murena supported device but I prefer to choose one that fits my use and then put /e/OS on it.

      1. eszklar

        Re: This...

        Samsung SM-P615: aka the 2020 Samsung Galaxy Tab S6 Lite LTE (code name gta4xl). There is an official LineageOS build for that (Android 15). Likewise with a LineageOS for microG build as well. Very flash-able tablet. Depends on what you want to do with it.

        1. Graham Cobb

          Re: This...

          Yeah, in my younger days I was pretty hardcore about what I would use - so after Maemo/Meego I moved to Jolla. But for tablets it had to be LineageOS. But nowadays /e/ makes things very easy on a decent range of tablets and is FOSS-enough.

  2. Gene Cash Silver badge
    FAIL

    No SIM

    This is because Google tablets with cell are locked down HARD. As far as I can find, none of them let you unlock the bootloader.

    I've looked pretty hard because I wanted an Android tablet to replace the absolute shit Garmin & TomTom GPS offerings.

    So I'm stuck using a cheap laptop with a USB GPS.

    1. Liam Proven (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

      Re: No SIM

      That's very interesting and it's the first I've heard of this. It doesn't apply to the phones. For instance UBports supports the Pixel 3a -- reportedly, very well.

      https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/sargo/

      I will investigate.

    2. AMBxx Silver badge

      Re: No SIM

      Even if you do manage to find this, you'll probably have problems due to the absence of Google Services.

      I had one of the early Amazon Fires that didn't have Google App Store. There was a lot that couldn't even be sideloaded as the apps all need Google Services. Back to Square 1.

      1. Liam Proven (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

        Re: No SIM

        > There was a lot that couldn't even be sideloaded as the apps all need Google Services.

        Do please note the line in this article that says:

        «

        It is just Android plus microG installed so that apps which expect to find Google products can launch and run.

        »

        1. AMBxx Silver badge
          Facepalm

          Re: No SIM

          Thanks, I stand corrected.

      2. Number 39

        Re: problems due to the absence of Google Services.

        I'm running CalyxOS as my main personal device. No microg. Most non google apps run, (from aurora store), but they don't get push notification. FDroid apps are preferable, of course.

    3. Number 39

      Re: No SIM

      IODE supports a tablet (no locked bootloader though.

      https://iode.tech/iodeos-official-supported-devices/

  3. steelpillow Silver badge

    Want one, but...

    Will need a bluetooth keyboard, and leatherette combi cover to keep them together.

    Sadly not an 8-inch "Digital Filofax" form factor, but better than nothing when my Planet Gemini eventually dies.

  4. ComicalEngineer Bronze badge

    Give me some more memory plus a SD card slot and a headphone socket and I'll consider it to replace my ageing iPad mini.

    1. Liam Proven (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

      > Give me some more memory plus a SD card slot and a headphone socket

      I can only agree.

      Me, I would like 2 USB-C ports, like on my Gemini, and ideally more. Connecting to power, a screen, and also a hub or something for a keyboard and mouse, all at the same time, makes such a device far more versatile and useful.

      I believe that Murena is working on its own tablet hardware, though. More info when I have it.

      1. cyberdemon Silver badge

        Fairphone

        I would love to see a Fairphone tablet - the FP4 has been going strong for a while now, and I think that a tablet with a replaceable battery, SIM, and SD card(s) would make a great addition (along with more than one USB-C as you suggest) - and yes - headphone socket please.

        I don't know why FP axed the headphone socket on the FP4, given that it is a non-waterproof phone (and I understand that one attraction of fewer ports is that it makes it easier to waterproof) but few would need a fully-waterproof tablet, aside from being resistant to splashes from sprogs throwing their Ribena at it.

    2. Mockup1974

      ummmm sorry dear consumer, have you considered buying Google Drive (TM) cloud storage and a Google Pixel Buds Pro (TM) instead?

  5. eszklar

    Pretty much why I like Pixel hardware: can run stock Google firmware, GrapheneOS (depending on phone), LineageOS, LineageOS for MicroG, CalyxOS, /e/OS and UBPorts (depending on Pixel phone).

  6. chasil

    Bliss Launcher limitations

    The parent article briefly mentions the Bliss launcher, but it has more severe problems than is reported.

    It does not appear to allow widgets on the home screen; these are confined to a separate widget area.

    It does not allow shortcuts to apps, so dragging an incognito Chrome shortcut to the home screen does not appear to be possible.

    For these reasons, most users should immediately replace Bliss on /e/os.

    I chose Lawnchair 14: https://lawnchair.app/

    1. Graham Cobb

      Re: Bliss Launcher limitations

      I agree, although I use OpenLauncher. I seem to remember having some problem with Lawnchair? Maybe I should give it another try.

  7. Steve Graham

    My Pixel 5a phone runs LineageOS with microG. The biggest hassle is having to find and sideload apps, since it doesn't have the Google store. I don't trust the Android ecosystem with money and my "real" current account access is browser on Linux only. However, I have a Tesco Plus card which is a loadable debit card that I keep £50 on, and the Tesco app runs fine on the phone.

    Ironically, in the context of this article, I have a tablet (Lenovo) which I use for reading magazines from the library, and it's running stock Android, although Netguard is installed to reduce the "phone home" snooping.

    1. doublelayer Silver badge

      I use F-Droid to install Aurora Store which allows you to fetch free apps from Google directly without identifying yourself, and your own if you're willing to log in to an app that isn't Google's. This lets me have app updates, and I don't need to associate the whole phone with a Google account.

  8. Chet Mannly

    Privacy doesn't have to cost extra...

    "Privacy costs in inconvenience as well as financially. The de-Googled version of the Pixel Tablet costs rather more than the ad-subsidized version from Google"

    Privacy doesn't have to cost. OK I get this is a Murena puff piece, but you can buy a normal Pixel tablet and install GrapheneOS for free.

    1. Liam Proven (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

      Re: Privacy doesn't have to cost extra...

      It is absolutely *not* a "Murena puff piece".

      I have rooted a few of my own phones and installed 3rd party ROMs on them. It's a total PITA and I have failed more times than I've succeeded. I own an Android tablet I've so far failed to root, despite multiple attempts.

      I would much prefer a preconfigured device with a warranty and I think I'm not alone.

      1. Number 39

        Re: Privacy doesn't have to cost extra...

        While I certainly won't argue with your first line, Pixels are pretty easy to install CalyxOS, GrapheneOS, and IODEOS on and I would expect E/OS to be no worse. And apparently it doesn't void warranty (at least usually). Other phones aren't so easy though.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Get a new Pixel 8 Phone

    I have just got a brand new Pixel 8 with /e pre-installed from Murena.

    I have been wanting something like this for years, but the hassle of installing Lineagos or /e myself was too much for me when I examined what was involved.

    I would have liked a non-google phone with hardware buttons, but the hardware for thes sort of devices is so far out of date and they do not appear very reliable due to the very small numbers produced.

    This phone should have about 7 years security updates if the hardware lasts.

    So far I am impressed - really fast - pretty good camera - no issues yet.

    Pity it does not have a separate memory card, But the USB seems to do everything I have tried so far for connecting external devices etc - even ethernet .

    You can decide whether to use extra microG apps or stay more Google free.

    Overall I think it is just about worth the extra cost of paying for the preinstallled /e OS.

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