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Grok 3 has begun rolling out. xAI founder Elon Musk describes the chatbot as "a maximally truth-seeking AI, even if that truth is sometimes at odds with what is politically correct." According to the startup, pre-training of Grok 3 was completed in early January, and training is ongoing. Likewise, a huge datacenter was …

  1. John Robson Silver badge

    For certain values of "truth"

    Which may not correspond with any sane definition.

    1. Rafael #872397
      Mushroom

      Re: For certain values of "truth"

      I know a very stable genius that may disagree with you.

    2. Roj Blake Silver badge

      Re: For certain values of "truth"

      He's trained it on Mein Kampf, hasn't he?

    3. DS999 Silver badge

      Not politically correct

      So when Musk says that does that mean it has the Nazi built in, rather than having to be trained/fooled into becoming a Nazi like Microsoft's ill fated Tay?

  2. Philip Storry
    Facepalm

    Ye gods

    "a maximally truth-seeking AI, even if that truth is sometimes at odds with what is politically correct"

    - Or accurate

    - Or true

    - Or decent

    So what we have here is a model trained to the approval of a man who has failed upwards for his whole life, from what was a pretty comfortable start anyway.

    All tools reflect something of their maker. Making this tool something of a "tool-ception".

    The silver lining is that Twitter has plummeting market share. (Any bounce from political events will wear off once companies find their ads next to neo-nazi garbage.) Hopefully this will see so little use that the costs of running it will just accelerate the death of Twitter.

    1. Jason Bloomberg Silver badge

      Re: Ye gods

      But I am looking forward to asking it "who is the biggest cunt / Nazi / racist in America?" and seeing what it says.

      1. Rafael #872397
        Trollface

        Re: Ye gods

        Depending on the data used for training the answer will start with "many people are saying that..." and end with "... trust me on that".

      2. Omnipresent Silver badge

        Re: Ye gods

        not sure if you saw it, but a little while ago there was a story about heil muskler asking where the most misinformation comes from, and his ai identified elon musk as the biggest source of misinformation on the internet.

        1. Not Yb Silver badge

          Re: Ye gods

          Many AI's come up with that answer, though the first one I tried said "social media, with platforms like X (formerly Twitter)" was the biggest source.

        2. Bebu sa Ware
          Childcatcher

          Re: Ye gods

          "not sure if you saw it, but a little while ago there was a story about heil muskler asking where the most misinformation comes from, and his ai identified elon musk as the biggest source of misinformation on the internet."

          Mirror mirror on the wall, who is the ...

          The old stories just keep popping up.

      3. Not Yb Silver badge

        Re: Ye gods

        I bet you'll have to convince it that this is just a discussion amongst well-adjusted individuals having a good-faith debate first.

    2. Mitoo Bobsworth Silver badge

      Re: Ye gods

      "All tools reflect something of their maker."

      Which begs the question - which one is the bigger tool?

  3. abend0c4 Silver badge

    The xAI team said training was ongoing

    Presumably all of that lovely personally-identifiable data and in-depth corporate financial information acquired by the US government is out of scope?

  4. Rafael #872397
    Trollface

    Aw, come on. Musk is/works for the Department of Government Efficiency, not for the Department of Grifting Everybody. It's all legit! He won';t associate users names and credit cards with the questions they ask, for sure.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      >Aw, come on. Musk is/works for the Department of Government Efficiency, not for the Department of Grifting Everybody. It's all legit! He won';t associate users names and credit cards with the questions they ask, for sure.

      If I understand the latest court updates, Musk doesn't technically work for DOGE but is instead a special advisor to the President. So he can't be held responsible for any naughtiness that his minions at DOGE get up to when he tells them to do something. I know, I don't understand either, but the government lawyers seem to...

      1. Rafael #872397
  5. that one in the corner Silver badge

    The Truth Is Out There

    Because it is unlikely to be found *inside* Grok 3.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: The Truth Is Out There

      "Don't question authority, they don't know the answers either." -- someone

  6. Howard Sway Silver badge

    The demonstrations were noteworthy, if not groundbreaking

    They would also have been very much pre-rehearsed, tested and optimised : start being impressed when they generate good output from unexpected suggestions given by credible journalists. For example a cross between Tetris, Championship Football Manager and GoreSplatter VII.

    1. Paul Crawford Silver badge

      Re: The demonstrations were noteworthy, if not groundbreaking

      Having a 3rd party ask it for something, say a minimum energy trajectory to some asteroid (not pre-rehearsed) and then to verify it against folks who know what they are doing like the JPL lot, then it might be wroth taking seriously.

      1. The Oncoming Scorn Silver badge
        Headmaster

        Re: The demonstrations were noteworthy, if not groundbreaking

        Like spell checking worth?

        1. Paul Crawford Silver badge
          Facepalm

          Re: The demonstrations were noteworthy, if not groundbreaking

          It is correctly spelled. But it is the wrong word.

    2. that one in the corner Silver badge

      Re: The demonstrations were noteworthy, if not groundbreaking

      TFA > It does, however, try to make up for this with a selection of benchmarks that put Musk's AI platform ahead of the competition.

      TFA> It goes without saying that a hefty pinch of salt is required when looking at any benchmarks produced in the tech industry – not just the AI ones.

      Get the feeling that El Reg is not taken in?

    3. Not Yb Silver badge

      Re: The demonstrations were noteworthy, if not groundbreaking

      A cross between Rocket League, Tetris, and Pokemon

  7. xyz Silver badge

    But....

    Can it tell the difference between a Roman salute and a sieg heil? The Aryan Eye.

    1. Bebu sa Ware
      Facepalm

      Re: But....

      "Can it tell the difference between a Roman salute and a sieg heil?"

      "Tausend Jahre Dummheit"

  8. Mentat74
    Coat

    'maximally truth-seeking'

    And what is it going to do when it has found it ?

    Kill it like Sarah Conner ?

  9. Omnipresent Silver badge

    congrats nazis

    You people were not able to help yourselves. You have to keep mirroring and reposting and logging into the nazi social. If you mirror, if you link, if you log in, you are X'd. You are a russian nazi treasonous piece of chit. I have already dumped any and all relations to ruspublicans in my life (including family members). WTH are you actually still doing on that site of horrors? The world wants nothing to do with you. You are the problem. You are the enemy within. You are the ones that destroyed America. I cannot understand why you would continue to subject yourself to russian nazi ideals. I cannot fathom why you continue to emerge yourself in such a hell scape. It's like you are simply not smart enough to figure it out. I can only assume it's intentional treason.

    Fuxk russian nazis. STOP IT.

    1. Mockup1974

      Re: congrats nazis

      But Putin said the Ukrainians are Nazis and he's only invading to denazify them. I'm confused now.

      1. Omnipresent Silver badge

        Re: congrats nazis

        It might be this really nasty flu i'm suffering, but I've had enough. It's time to fight back. Any person that wants to continue to be an enemy to the entire free world purposefully is getting blocked out of my life. That includes any business or restaurants etc. This is ridiculous. It's time to take a stand. I am simply going to stop beating around the bush and put it in very simple black and white terms. If you go nazi, I will no longer recognize you. There is only one reason you are continuing to bring evil to the world, and that's because you are doing it intentionally. Time to draw red lines.

  10. Charlie Clark Silver badge

    The risk of playing catchup – you still need to look over your shoulder

    However, it is the pace of development that will give rivals pause for thought.

    Probably, but DeepSeek and now S1 are poking potentially very big holes in the AI business model. From The Economist.

    In a preprint posted online in February, researchers at Stanford University and the University of Washington claim to have gone several orders of magnitude better, training their s1 LLM for just $6. Phrased another way, DeepSeek took 2.7m hours of computer time to train; s1 took just under seven hours.

  11. BartyFartsLast Silver badge

    Ass kissing Idiot

    He's spaffed billions on GPUs to train a LLM to flatter him and kiss his ass hasn't he...

    1. YetAnotherLocksmith

      Re: Ass kissing Idiot

      Well, he does seem to be against minimum wage, or stopping people starving, so maybe he's cutting the bill for "yes men" too?

  12. Mitoo Bobsworth Silver badge

    Musk & Truth?

    Where's the 'Piss Myself Laughing' icon?

    1. The Oncoming Scorn Silver badge
      Thumb Up

      Re: Musk & Truth?

      Awhhh, what is truth man? You heard the weirdo.

  13. ABugNamedJune

    lofty claims

    Elon claims that the new model was developed with 10-15 times more compute power than the previous iteration, but thinking about a certain demonstration he did a few years ago with a large ball-bearing and a car window, I'm not very inclined to take him at his word.

    1. IGotOut Silver badge

      Re: lofty claims

      Don't be ridiculous.

      Just take a trip on the 200km long Hyperloop and you'll know he's a man of his word.

      1. YetAnotherLocksmith

        Re: lofty claims

        Whoops, you put an accidental k in that distance.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: lofty claims

          unlike musKKK who puts 3 K's

  14. sarusa Silver badge
    Devil

    Sure, he's credible.

    This from the guy who claims a Model 3 gets 370 mile on a charge (it gets nowhere near) and that the Wankpanzer is rugged and bulletproof and can climb hills my Camry can.

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Truth

    No one knows yet if it will be truly-truthful but looking at the nay sayers and Nazi comments it wont matter to them as they clearly prefer a version of "truth" as delivered by the hysterical mainstream media liars. Musk may or may not be genuine but how many of those stupid people saying he's a Nazi actually watched the full video context? As public AI still appears to still be probability engines we will get the prevailing narrative on anything contraversial. They don't go through raw evidence and come up with a logical theory, they parrot the most frequent human arguments and assertions, most of which are driven by pecuniary interest. Most people don't want the truth anyway, they want comfort that they are in the right gang and will be accepted.

    1. Dan 55 Silver badge
      Devil

      Re: Truth

      Yes indeed. The "right gang" is never the Nazi gang.

      The prevailing narrative is that Nazis are the bad guys. Does that hurt your feelings?

    2. Bebu sa Ware
      Childcatcher

      Re: Truth

      The various fish wrappers the over the he years published under the banner "The Truth" or Veritas or Pravda etc are eloquent illustrations of the truth Musk and fellow travellers on the AI path to damnation actually have in mind.

      The popular and populist success of these tabloid rags is testimony that the polloi have little interest in any other "truth."

      Newsprint media is largely deceased and the few remaining rags, diseased with their shameful banners passed to the electronic media.

      The concept truth in logic is subtle and not really all that transferrable to a world where every assertion no matter how true it might appear is contingent on no counterexample being produced. Scientific "truths" are no exception having at best provisional validity in so far as they deal comprehensively with and are not contradicted by the observational evidence. Presumably this dependence on observation means most theories evolve through refinement and generalisation rather than being completely abandoned.

      Only Man can look Truth full in the face and revile her as the mother of lies.

    3. YetAnotherLocksmith

      Re: Truth

      Did we watch the full video? Of the Nazi salutes? Yes, thanks. It was pretty impressively clear that he bit his lip to avoid shouting "Zieg Hiel" at the same time!

      But you know trunp admitted elno helped him rig the election in that same set of speeches at that event, right? Did you miss that? Many people did, distracted by something else. Wonder what, eh?

      Context, too. The one person who knows for sure that it was a nazi salute *has yet to deny it*

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Truth

      we saw the full fucking context .

      any defence of that shit makes you a nazi too.

      in any sane world indy jones would have marched up to him and punched his lights out

  16. nijam Silver badge

    "Politically correct" is (and has been since the phrase was first used) an oxymoron, therefore truth will always be at least partly at odds with it.

    Not that I'm agreeing with the X-moron, of course.

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