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The Bank of England has nearly doubled the money it is dedicating to partner spending for an Oracle cloud transformation, which it began imagining in 2020. According to a recently published procurement note, the 330-year-old institution said it was increasing the contract value awarded to its Oracle implementation partner …

  1. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge

    Oracle ? WTF?

    Oracle's track record in this country is not exactly good so why would the BoE willingly go with them?

    Something is IMHO screwy.

    Again, IMHO, no one should sign up with Oracle unless it is a fixed price deal and THEY take the hit for it being late/not working.

    1. Groo The Wanderer - A Canuck

      Re: Oracle ? WTF?

      Not to worry; Oracle will have a new excuse for ripping them off by the time the next bill comes out!

    2. UnknownUnknown

      Re: Oracle ? WTF?

      I think they are a bigger threat to National Security, Financial Health and Wellbeing than the (alleged) Chinese Peril.

    3. hoola Silver badge

      Re: Oracle ? WTF?

      Does Oracle even do "Fixed price deals"?

      I cannot see it as it prevents them continuing to rip everyone off.

      That they still get the contracts is worrying but equally is there really no other option?

    4. wolfetone Silver badge

      Re: Oracle ? WTF?

      Is it Oracle that's the problem, or these "experts" who are tendering for the job in the first place?

      Strikes me they haven't a fucking clue what Oracle can do or won't do, yet they're promising everyone the moon.

  2. Mentat74
    Thumb Down

    For that kind of money...

    You'll be able to hire your own programmers, buy your own off-the-shelf hardware and keep everything in-house instead of getting farked by an American company year after year...

    1. Like a badger

      Re: For that kind of money...

      That's only possible in a parallel universe where government will pay competitive salaries, and there's political acceptance of insourcing IT, neither apply here.

      What is more worrying is that BoE are spending about £14m to implement a few Oracle ERP back office modules for processes that HM Treasury already have a solution that's almost certainly Oracle.

    2. UnknownUnknown

      Re: For that kind of money...

      .. or get UK Sage to do it.

      1. Danny 14

        Re: For that kind of money...

        Sage? Nah, outsource it to Capita, their sales folk will PROMISE it will be fine. Surely?

  3. EricM Silver badge

    To be fair to the BoE, if you use "the Cloud" as operating model and decide to put more workload on it (more servers, more storage, more bandwidth, ... ) a pay-as-you-go contract becomes more expensive automatically.

    Would be the same at Azure, AWS, Google, etc.

    Would even be the same on-premise, if you ned to use more server, storage racks, etc.

  4. alain williams Silver badge

    As a British tax payer ...

    I would much rather that BoE (or any organ of state) paid for services within our shores:

    • generate employment here - which will be taxable

    • use skills of people here which will:

    •• encourage more Brits to become skilled up

    •• enable us to better compete for such projects internationally

    • keep sensitive data within the UK

    Unfortunately: this requires joined up thinking - which is in short supply.

    1. AMBxx Silver badge
      Unhappy

      Re: As a British tax payer ...

      IR35 put an end to that. Independently minded consultants don't want to be government employees. Now we're all retiring.

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: As a British tax payer ...

        Some of us are long retired.

  5. Bebu sa Ware
    Windows

    Could help being reminded of ...

    Terry Pratchett's Making Money the "Men of the Sheds" in particular.

    Never thought I would live in world where the fictional peculiar government and institutions of Ankh-Morpork would be the envy of most contemporary states. I imagine one the more notable of that city's guilds would be overwhelmed with contracts were it were present today in this world. The Thieves Guild was always present here and has enjoyed unprecedented success in recent times.

    The glass computer in the Bank's basement was unnervingly prescient of Pratchett.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Could help being reminded of ...

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillips_Machine

      Pratchett was inspired by the Bank. (Well, not really, as they never used one. But Mr. Phillips definitely did it first.)

      1. David 132 Silver badge
        Pint

        Re: Could help being reminded of ...

        Indeed, and it's actually mentioned and acknowledged in the Author's Notes at the end of Making Money, as I recall.

        Icon: a pint of Winkles Old Peculiar raised to the memory of pTerry. -->

    2. martinusher Silver badge

      Re: Could help being reminded of ...

      That glass computer was based on an early experiment with analog modelling of the economy that was based on fluid flow, the "Phillips Machine". These days I believe they still use fluid dynamics for economic modelling but its done on boring old digital computers.

  6. Andy Mac
    Facepalm

    “It’s a beautiful day here at Gobbler’s Knob and here comes Punxsutawny Phil aaaaand, he sees his shadow! We’re guaranteed another 6 years of Oracle overspend”

  7. IanRS

    Does Oracle work?

    Sometimes I wonder if any Oracle product can be implemented for the initially expected cost, and just work. Every big 'IT transformation' project always seems to have cost and time overruns, and a lot of them seem to centre on an Oracle 'solution'.

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: Does Oracle work?

      Lots of them, but to their own expectations which they didn't share with the client.

    2. Kevin McMurtrie Silver badge

      Re: Does Oracle work?

      Can any Oracle project be completed and work?

      One might think that not even more time and money are a solution.

  8. StewartWhite Bronze badge
    FAIL

    Won't somebody think of "poor" Larry?

    Oracle, the gift that keeps on giving: to Larry Ellison's bank account.

  9. old_n_grey

    Just wondering ...

    ... whether I have misread this article.

    It seems that BoE contracted with a systems integrator, "Version 1", who, according to their website are "trusted cloud transformation experts with a future-focused, value-led approach and deep sector experience." So shouldn't they take some/most/all of the blame? Certainly back in my implementation days for several SIs, if stuff went belly up, it was our fault (happily the only real belly up I was aware of was when Oracle blatantly lied during the pre-sale and promised far, far more than it could deliver. I wasn't involved in the pre-sale so have no idea how come the the pre-sale was done by Oracle with us as the implementation organisation. Or maybe we sent our sales team who only cared about the size of their commission.

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: Just wondering ...

      "trusted cloud transformation experts with a future-focused, value-led approach and deep sector experience."

      That should be warning enough to ay reasonable person.

  10. IGotOut Silver badge
    FAIL

    Sigh...

    "in September 2023 in a deal set to last 55 months, with the option to extend for a further 24 months"

    Then what?

    Spend another £1 Billion moving to another system (initial project cost put at 3 shillings and Six Pence)

    Or pay the licence fees that will be double what they are now because, well what you going to do? Move?

  11. MrGreen

    It’s obvious

    Oracle was the only choice because those in the know all own shares in it.

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