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Google says the the world's lawmakers must take action against the increasing links between criminal and state-sponsored cyber activity. In a fresh report published today, the company's Threat Intelligence Group listed a range of recommendations to help fend off the threat presented by cyber spies in the "Big Four" - Russia, …

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  2. GNU SedGawk Bronze badge

    Crimelords and spies for rogue states are working together, says Google

    They should know given that they work for the US rogue state supporting crimelords across the globe. https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/mexico-usa-guns/

    That's Guns to Cartels - which is where a lot of the "Ukraine" arms fall off a truck in transit - must be quite a circuitous route.

    1. Wang Cores
      WTF?

      Re: Crimelords and spies for rogue states are working together, says Google

      Article discusses the legal private purchase of a Barrett M107 .50 BMG anti-material rifle that ended up in Mexico illegally without any Ukrainian involvement, implied or otherwise.

      I'm normally Captain Second Amendment (still redneck trash in that regard) but the constant with guns in Mexico is that they start out as legal private purchases in the U.S. We could do something about that...*

      (* Knowing the sort of people responsive to this innuendo, we'll either ban "scary" guns or people with hispanic surnames from owning guns.)

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Crimelords and spies for rogue states are working together, says Google

        "Crimelords and spies for rogue states are working together, says Google" - but that's enough about the current corrupt US regime (or GRUgle themselves, come to that)

      2. Michael Strorm Silver badge

        Re: Crimelords and spies for rogue states are working together, says Google

        > the constant with guns in Mexico is that they start out as legal private purchases in the U.S.

        Several years ago now, I heard a radio interview with an American owner of a gun store near the border with Mexico. He knew full well the type of people he was selling many of those guns to, and the fact they would end up in the hands of Mexican criminals.

        He didn't even attempt to justify this- he genuinely didn't give a fuck that he was helping destablise another country and the lives of other people just a short distance away. He got paid and what he did was legal in the US. Not his problem.

        I suspect he was one of countless similar people in the US who didn't care because they never thought this would come back and bite them.

        Remember this the next time you're tempted to have any sympathy for Americans whining about a crime wave on their border with Mexico.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Crimelords and spies for rogue states are working together, says Google

          Sounds like a prime candidate to lose not only his commercial firearm sales licence but also any personal firearms posession rights...

  3. myhandler

    Pot meet kettle

  4. Eclectic Man Silver badge
    Flame

    Sickening*

    "Associates of the INC ransomware group have previously offered 2-5 percent more for initial access resources to hospitals, especially those with emergency departments."

    Attacking a nation's healthcare system is an attack on the security of the nation. The highest priority of a nation's defence forces is "Defence of the Realm". Yes, I know that government IT procurement is hard, and that 'there is no more money', but wars can be fought and won by other means than firing bullets and missiles. Attacking the healthcare sector kills people who would otherwise have lived with proper treatment. If that is not an act of war, what is?

    *Pun not intended

    1. Wang Cores

      Re: Sickening*

      Never mind the morale blow to the actual people at the sharp end. "My loved one just died because their hackers keep DDoSing the hospital network. Why the hell am I fighting this war?"

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Incentivizing

    "lawmakers should be properly incentivizing the implementation of best practices, especially in critical infrastructure."

    How about this:

    1. Contract states you owe us a refund of 1% of the total project costs (not initial estimate) for each security bug we rate above ___ that is found after implementation (or was found before but you didn't fix), for the first 5 years. There is no limit to how high the refund will go, including over 100%.

    2. If your software is routinely buggy or insecure, we won't do business with you anymore.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Incentivizing

      "Contract states you owe us a refund of 1% of the total project costs (not initial estimate) for each security bug we rate above "

      What when no one takes up the offer? A tender where no one subscribes leaves you empty-handed.

      The real problem is that the risk of a software project cannot be quantified. Beforehand the requirements are only vaguely known. If the requirements were standard the software would be bought OTS.

      As the real risk is unknown, it is buyer beware.

    2. Missing Semicolon Silver badge

      Re: Incentivizing

      Absolutely. The buggy, insecure software is generally provided by the companies bleating about a Government response to cybercrime. And then used by other companies and not patched. No current law allows for anything other than a mild slap on the wrist.

  6. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    "Crimelords and spies for rogue states"

    I'm sorry, what's the difference ?

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    States cozying up to cybercriminals

    Like the Trump regime relying on Elon’s merry band of juvenile delinquents to trash critical infrastructure from the inside?

  8. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    FYI .... lest one is led up the proverbial garden path and left to fend for oneself in nowhere good.

    Crimelords and spies for rogue states are working together, says Google. Only lawmakers can stop them.

    I doubt anyone or anything will ever come anywhere near even close to stopping them. And to profess that only lawmakers can stop them is certainly deluded wishful thinking on an epic scale.

    :-) And quite whether that optimism or pessimism being expressed is something to ponder on.

  9. pc-fluesterer.info
    Facepalm

    The real source of all trouble

    All proprietary products, regardless weather from China or the US, are riddled with backdoors. A "good" backdoor doesn't exist, because every backdoor will be found by rogue exploiters at some point in time. The only valid protection would be by FOSS. That’s all.

  10. FuzzyTheBear
    Mushroom

    At this point in time ..

    With Google renaming the Gulf of Mexico to please Trump and my total disgust with their policies in general , their stance to use AI for military use , their use of our data without consent , their spyware called Chrome , and my total dislike for monopolies like Google , Meta and al , i am cheering for the bad guys and quite openly back them up with all the moves they can do to damage google and al which are nothing but thieving the data they now hold. Thieves vs thieves really. Time to call things like they aare. Why should i cheer for Google ? I don't. Google can get bent and ripped off for all i care. That's how they do us for the past 25 years at least.

  11. ecofeco Silver badge
    Pirate

    Same as it ever was

    Nothing new here. This has been an age old relationship long before any of us were born. ------------------->>>>>>>>>

  12. CuscoF2

    Ant?

    Are they really going to pretend that the US/UK, Taiwan, Israel, India, etc., don't also do the same thing? There are cyber-gangs for hire all over the world, same as any other type of contractors, and any government that wants to interfere somewhere with no accountability hires them. So do some corporations, if Coca-Cola can hire mercenaries to kill union organizers in Colombia they can hire mercenaries to take down their competition's IT network.

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