Winning.
DOGE geek with Treasury payment system access now quits amid racist tweet claims
Marko Elez, a former SpaceX, Starlink, and X engineer who was granted access to examine a critical US Treasury payment system by the Trump-blessed Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), has quit that team after he was linked to a racist Twitter account. The 25-year-old DOGE operative resigned Thursday after the Wall …
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Friday 7th February 2025 01:45 GMT HuBo
Right on товарищ beast666, and as Dmitry himself put it: "Smart move by Elon Musk [...] Let's hope the deep state doesn't swallow him whole".
As Vladimir explained to me, it took Stalin a lot of courage to embrace Hitler's brownshirt approach to governance, and we're happy to see that (as Palantir's Thiel would say) it is just innate in Elon! But don't subpoena him as he'll just run crying to his momma ... he's such a sweet boy!
And for the life of me, I just can't understand why anyone would want to send him, and his glorious DOGE team of efficient white supremacists, packing from the Treasury with cushiony sofas shoved right up their butt holes very deeply. It's embarassing! </sarc>
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Friday 7th February 2025 06:17 GMT drankinatty
The sad part is the 77,248,118 folks in the good ole (past-tense) USA lacked the common sense not to put a felon in the whitehouse. As little Marko discovered if you swim with 5hit, it will stick to you. Every one of the 77,248,118 owns the shame and owns the disgrace we witness today. I wonder, what those who remain who stormed the beaches on D-Day feel when they look at the state of affairs.
The consequence of misinformation from captive news outlets and the unchecked online cesspool should be a lesson to us all, on both sides of the pond, that vigilance is needed to prevent the Putin and Xi camels from getting their noses further under our democratic tent. There are a large minority that have simply lost the ability to spot the snake-oil salesmen. We have watched it for more than a decade now in election after election from the orange buffoon's first term to brexit. Division is demise. We will get through this, but it may take a generation to recover.
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Friday 7th February 2025 15:39 GMT GNU SedGawk
There was an Man committing crimes against Humanity, Attacking the ICC and Denounced as Sexual Abuser https://www.democracynow.org/2020/3/31/tara_reade_joe_biden_sexual_assault
The Genocide stopped, which is the real complaint. The pretence that the flagrant criminality of the US Regime is not happening is now hard to sustain as the Great Noticing happenings.
The US is the same corrupt shithole oppressing the planet as when "Elderly Man with a Poor Memory" was in office.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-impossible-role-of-robert-hur
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Friday 7th February 2025 22:16 GMT Jadith
Even worse was the 2020 election.
Historically in the US, if an election is held during a big crisis like the Covid panic, the incumbent loses. yet, the Dems still went with Joe as the 'safe candidate'. They could have put just about anyoone in office, and they went with Biden. I gave up on the Democratic party long ago for this kind of feckless, half-hearted move making.
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Friday 7th February 2025 00:53 GMT JLV
Oh, come on. You need to ask your supervisor in St. Petersburg for a bit more time to write an elaborate post.
This looks like you're just stirring the shit. I mean you are not even bothering to defend the noble and genius nullptr.
"Winning" by itself leaves us wanting to hear more of your insights. Maybe, "Winning, winning", at least? Pretty please.
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Friday 7th February 2025 20:14 GMT Excused Boots
"Oh, come on. You need to ask your supervisor in St. Petersburg for a bit more time to write an elaborate post”
Now, now we have to be fair, be honest this is complete speculation, you have no evidence that their handler* is in St. Petersburg, do you? They could be in Moscow, or Minsk (a degree of deniability here)
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Monday 10th February 2025 14:40 GMT Snake
Re: The Washington Post
Is that a jab at their ownership by Bezos and his likelihood to bury the story...
or a jab at the ineffectual ADHD-style reporting of WaPa, who can't stay on a story long enough for it to actually register in the public consciousness and therefore be absolutely worthless?
You have me piqued. Inquiring minds want to know.
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Friday 7th February 2025 19:26 GMT Bitbeisser
Re: nullllptr has been core dumped
>His colleague, the Citrix CEO, must now be hoping that it isn't terminal for himself.
Terminal? As in kinetically terminal, like falling out of an upper floor window? Well, those incidents might soon come to a high rise building near you... (if you live in the US of A)
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Friday 7th February 2025 03:25 GMT Flocke Kroes
Re: We did Nazi that coming
I did expect Nazis among Musk's government appointees. For the time being I still expect the remaining free press to report it when they find it. The biggest surprise to me is the resignation. I expected Trump to say that under his presidency Nazis will receive equitable treatment and a diverse selection of them will be included in government hires. Perhaps next month there will be a quota.
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Friday 7th February 2025 05:15 GMT HuBo
Re: We did Nazi that coming
Brilliant! We'll have a Diverse and Equitable Nazi Inclusion policy (DENI) and will give special permission for our transgender Nazis to use women’s workplace showers as part of this administration's strong measure to defend them from gender ideology extremism (Section 1.)! Transgender Nazis are the only real innate kind that can possibly restore biological truth to the Federal Government as they are part of the master race and much superior to any other kind, like transgender cockroaches and rat infestations.
Our much superior, new, improved, and extended DENI policy will be so good, that even Elon will get to love his child again (though that won't be reciprocal, at all). But DENI we will, and you will love it too, and even Netanyahu will love it, and Zelenskyy will love it, because the Holocaust never happened, and when we gaz migrants at the border we're doing them a favor, and Mexico pays for it anyways, because they're black, and they're brown, and they're weak, and they're poor, and we're white, and we're strong, and we're #1, and we're making America great again, one Gulf of America at a time!
We DENI Alan Kurdi and Oscar Alberto Martinez and his daughter as figments of non-Nazi imagination!
Can't make a fascist omelette without breaking a few laws, and human rights, here and there, all the time, and everywhere, can you!? </put me out of my misery!>
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Friday 7th February 2025 22:06 GMT DS999
Re: We did Nazi that coming
I'm willing to bet he still has a job at one of Elon's companies. He isn't going to fire someone for being a racist POS. Hell that's probably the reason he got the DOGE gig in the first place. He cleaned up his past (likely per Elon's recommendation to avoid this sort of negative publicity) but neither of them figured on all the places that cache old Twitter content existing.
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Friday 7th February 2025 01:53 GMT Tron
Possible issue.
The CIA bank their funds for covert ops in discreet places. Musk and his merry band of data ferrets are likely to be shutting these down as inessential, as they will be disguised as stuff like Feral Rabbit Census, Oklahoma. Miffed CIA folks may not appreciate these 'cost savings'.
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Friday 7th February 2025 07:01 GMT Richard 12
The vast majority of the USAID budget went to US citizens. Pretty much everything was sourced from the US.
US farmers in particular received a very large part - they're really going to miss that money, especially as Trump has ended such a large part of their export market.
USAID was also highly effective "soft power".
China is rubbing its hands with glee at being given such an incredible opportunity. Now there will be billions of people around the world grateful to China and cursing the USA.
It also saved millions of lives, but that clearly doesn't matter to some people.
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Friday 7th February 2025 14:23 GMT TheFifth
Yup. Soft power is generally considered excellent value for money, which is why relatively small countries can project power far great than their size (Sweden is a good example). China isn't building roads and infrastructure throughout the developing world out of the goodness of its heart, anyone with half a brain in their head knows this.
By most measures, the US is currently number one for soft power, however I'd bet that position is fast eroding. Trump and Doge are handing influence to China and Russia. They must think all their birthdays have come at once.
I always thought the claim that Trump is a Russian plant was hyperbole, but I'm beginning to wonder now.
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Friday 7th February 2025 15:17 GMT Someone Else
I always thought the claim that Trump is a Russian plant was hyperbole, but I'm beginning to wonder now.
And all this time, I thought The Manchurian Candidate was fiction.
Thought the same about 1984. Damn! I really need to wake up..oh, wait...being "woke" is no longer legal here. What to do...what to do...?
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Friday 7th February 2025 16:31 GMT Anonymous Coward
> "Soft power is generally considered excellent value for money"
Bingo.
Soft power isn't as macho or sexy as explicitly pushing your weight around by military means, but those who prefer hard power are likely to find out how expensive it is, not just to achieve, but to maintain.
Of course, the majority of those screaming to cut foreign aid et al probably don't even think of it in those terms or understand- or care- how much of the US's current power and influence *is* reliant on that soft power.
And they won't, until it's gone, and they're screaming about China's growing influence in other countries because they let them get their fingers in the pie.
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Friday 7th February 2025 07:05 GMT Not Yb
It sounds truthy...
but...
USAID knows where they're sending the money, it's not to "unknown people and places", every one of them was authorized by Congress at some point. Maybe not your Congress person, but a large group of them.
Foreign humanitarian aid (which is USAID's major purpose) is a drop in the bucket compared to everything else the US gov spent money on last year.
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Friday 7th February 2025 09:01 GMT graeme leggett
USAID is helping keeping the lid on the HIV/AIDS situation in South Africa by providing around 20-25% of funding for medication through the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (initiated by the famously socialist G W Bush)
About a week after freezing US aid, PEPFAR was given an exemption - that there was a delay at all in providing an exception shows the initial action was not thought through.( A week is a long time in anti-retroviral medication)
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Friday 7th February 2025 20:43 GMT Anonymous Coward
Engendering goodwill towards the USA (or rather, not losing it) in a country that *is* of geo-strategic importance to the West yet which is nowadays far less aligned or loyal towards the existing powers and more inclined to look after its own interests.
One which- particularly in the past twenty years- has been moving increasingly close to China, a rival which would no doubt happily exploit and fill any space the US left behind and further entrench its power in Africa.
Is that a sufficiently cynical and self-serving justification for a blinkered little sociopath like you?
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Friday 7th February 2025 12:26 GMT Anonymous Coward
Some of these are just plain crazy.... Soft power, I doubt it...This is theft and or syphoning...
$2 million
for sex changes and "LGBT activism" in Guatemala.
$6 million
to fund tourism in Egypt.
Spent
$20 million on “Ahlan Simsim” — a new Sesame Street show in Iraq.
Over $4.5 million
to “combat disinformation” in Kazakhstan.
Up to $10 million
worth of USAID-funded meals went to al Qaeda-linked terrorist group the Nusra Front.
$500,000
to group that “empowers women” in an attempt to solve sectarian violence in Israel just 10 days before Hamas’s Oct. 7 attacks. Awarded
nearly $25 million
to Deloitte to promote green transportation in Georgia (the country).
$4.67 million
to EcoHealth Alliance, one of the key nongovernmental organizations funding bat virus research at Wuhan Institute of Virology, in late 2021. Later refused
to answer key questions about the funding.
$20 million
for the Strengthening Transparency and Accountability through Investigative Reporting program which used the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project as its implementing partner. The OCCRP was cited four times in the whistleblower letter that led to the Russiagate impeachment. USAID’s 2022-2030 climate strategy outlined a $150 billion “whole-of-Agency approach” to building an "equitable world with net-zero greenhouse gas emissions."
$7.9 million
to a project that would teach Sri Lankan journalists to avoid “binary-gendered language.”
$1.1 million
to an Armenian LGBT group.
$1.2 million
to the African Methodist Episcopal Church Service and Development Agency in Washington, D.C., to build “a state-of-the-art 440-seat auditorium.”
$1.3 million
to Arab and Jewish photographers.
$1.5 million
to promote LGBT advocacy in Jamaica.
$1.5 million
to “rebuild” the Cuban media ecosystem.
$1.5 million
for “art for inclusion of people with disabilities.”
$2 million
to promote “LGBT equality through entrepreneurship … in developing Latin American countries.”
$2.1 million
so the BBC can strengthen the media ecosystem in Libya, “designed to value the diversity of Libyan society.”
$2.3 million
for “artisanal and small-scale gold mining” in the Amazon.
$2.5 million
to promote “inclusion” in Vietnam.
$3.9 million
to LGBT causes in the Western Balkans.
$5.5 million
to LGBT in Uganda.
$6 million
to advance LGBT in “priority countries around the world.”
$6 million
to “Transform Digital Spaces to Reflect Feminist Democratic Principles.”
$6.3 million
to men who have sex with men in South Africa.
$8.3 million
for “USAID Education: Equity and Inclusion.”
Another $16.8 million
to a separate group in Vietnam for “inclusion.”
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Friday 7th February 2025 15:11 GMT codejunky
Re: I agree
@Doctor Syntax
"Perhaps el Reg would turn off anon postings on these threads. Even better, expose the IDs of the existing posts."
This would be very interesting to know. I wonder how many are the same AC arguing with themselves or people replying with AC to agree with their own comments.
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Friday 7th February 2025 23:14 GMT John Smith 19
"Even better, expose the IDs of the existing posts.
I can understand the sentiment but that's a bad idea.
Anonymity is a key part of a democratic society.
However it might be better if some way were found to count how many unique AC's there really are.
Then we'd know how many people really hold such views and how many are just a single AC whose a very active poster.
Obviously that doesn't stop the fake public name/AC pseudo "conversation" with both sides produced by the same person.
But it's a start.
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Friday 7th February 2025 14:26 GMT localzuk
So, you can parrot the same lines the Pres Sec said... I'd love to see some actual evidence though? Not to mention, quite a lot of those things are good soft power for the USA. Promoting equality, justice, fairness, and inclusion seems *exactly* like the kind of thing the USA, land of the free and leading democracy should be doing to advance its goals.
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Friday 7th February 2025 13:17 GMT Anonymous Coward
Well I suppose that the US Senators must be wrong then , whereas you must be correct... Who would have thunk that....
Some ol shit, Russiagate, Hunters Laptop, Nancy Pelosis miraculous Investment portfolio.. You claim that they are all false because there is "no proof", then the proof is brought into the light and you scurry away into your worm holes wondersing why the world past you by.
This comes directly from the White House, but then again you don't ever want to believe anything other than childish, communist or down right idiotic ideologies.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/uncategorized/2025/02/at-usaid-waste-and-abuse-runs-deep/
You will wake up one day and realize how blinded you truly were... It will take time though as adulthood is obviously quite a few years away.
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Friday 7th February 2025 13:49 GMT ChrisC
Ah yes, directly from the White House. The *Trump* White House. That utterly trustworthy institution. Don't make me laugh, or cry, or both...
I mean, when you start reading that page, and are almost immediately struck at the very obviously Trumpian language used to write the opening few lines, the warning bells inside your mind should be ringing loud and clear that the contents of said page probably aren't quite as unbiased as you might want them to be, and therefore if they support your personal beliefs in the matter then that's not necessarily the proof you need that you're right and the rest of us are wrong, it can just as easily be taken as proof that Trump, Musk and anyone involved in coming up with this crap is wrong, but as they're now the ones able to wield the big sticks of power, it's their views, no matter how batshit insane they might actually be, which now get published as official US government guidance on the matter.
And, quite frankly, that scares the shit out of me, as it should do any right-thinking individual on the planet. Because whilst I'm not a US citizen and therefore not directly impacted by the idiocy that's now descended on Washington, as a citizen of the Earth I am unfortunately at least somewhat impacted by anything the US does due to its significant influence over the rest of us. The world (at least those parts of it not intent on destroying the world and rebuilding it in their own image - Moscow, Tehran etc...) needs a stable and mature leadership in the White House, otherwise bad things WILL happen to us all sooner or later, and based on what we've seen so far in these first few weeks of his presidency, the remainder of his 4 years are likely going to be long and painful for everyone.
And yes, that includes those who currently support him, because unless you've accrued enough personal wealth/influence to be part of his inner circle (and also to be able to ride out whatever impact his policies have on the world) then it's only a matter of time before he does something which impacts you in a way you aren't going to like. By then the rest of us will probably have suffered enough such that we can't even summon up the energy to say "we told you so", but just take it as read that this is very much what we'll be thinking about you and everyone else who enabled the orange buffoon to regain the seat of power.
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Friday 7th February 2025 13:58 GMT heyrick
"https://www.whitehouse.gov/uncategorized/2025/02/at-usaid-waste-and-abuse-runs-deep/"
How about you post something more than a couple of days old and quite likely politically motivated as "evidence" for shutting everything down.
"This comes directly from the White House"
Correction: This comes directly from Trump's White House. Given what's been happening these past couple of weeks, I'd put the reliability of that establishment roughly on par with Fox News.
"You will wake up one day and realize how blinded you truly were..."
I'm not the blind one you gullible anonymous muppet.
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Friday 7th February 2025 15:32 GMT Anonymous Coward
Never forget who your president, he loves you....
Only another 4 years of Trump, Musk, Bondi etc. You are going to learn to enjoy every single minute of your Trumpian existance..
Alternatively you could always leave and go and live somewhere else.. There is nothing to stop you.. The leftist tears will be flowing for a long time yet... ( I thought you were all going to Canada anyway, funny how that never came to fruition.)
You hate the country, what it stands for and yet you remain... What a bunch of cowards, it's actually a very leftist trait.
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Friday 7th February 2025 17:01 GMT heyrick
"Alternatively you could always leave and go and live somewhere else."
I did.
"There is nothing to stop you."
Back then that was true. Post-Brexit, not so much unless you have plenty of money (the health coverage alone can be eye watering). Oh, and quite often the permits you can get clearly specify not allowed to work, did I mention the money? When you are loaded, the world is your oyster. When you aren't, it's much harder to go anywhere. So, for a lot of people, yes there is a rather large impediment to simply pissing off somewhere else.
"all going to Canada anyway"
Sounds nice but, again, probably not going to be welcome in any context other than clueless "is it okay to hug a bear, they look so cuddly?" holiday visitor.
At least I can still go to Ireland if I ever get bored of here. The Tories didn't manage to break the CTA.
"You hate the country, what it stands for"
No, I hate what people like you are doing to it.
"and yet you remain."
You do realise you're speaking to a Brit, right? I mean, it has actually sunk in that there's a world beyond your borders that isn't a hotbed of fentanyl and/or terrorists, yes?
"it's actually a very leftist trait."
Opening one's mouth and speaking shit without knowing what the fuck they're on about seems to be quite a rightist trait, doesn't it? I'd rather associate with the tofu eating woke cowards than those who are running your country now.
You will come to regret electing that mob. I do fear, however, that the rest of us will also end up regretting it. So, when y'all shit the bed, kindly keep the door closed so it doesn't disturb everybody else.
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Friday 7th February 2025 18:31 GMT Anonymous Coward
I can see Trump and his ilk getting assassinated. There have already been two attempts. So it won't likely be 4 years of trumpian existence. The maga goons have pissed off so many people, including FBI and CIA (ex)agents who know the amount of geopolitical damage he's causing the US.
Guns are easy to get in the states too. Then there is the 2nd amendment with the right to bear arms to ensure the security a free state.
It's going to be a interesting 4 years.
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Friday 7th February 2025 20:36 GMT John Brown (no body)
So, your only citation is an obviously biased limited list of things the current administration disagree with rather than actual wast and covers only a tiny fraction of the total budget of USAID. Almost all of those examples are a case of "in the eye of the beholder". Fair enough, the current administration id the "beholder" and see it was "waste", but they don't seem to have much considering the total budget.
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Friday 7th February 2025 18:05 GMT Anonymous Coward
Hello my SVR/FSB friends ... are you getting tired of writing this utter nonsense !!!
Beast666,
To save you time & effort, which would allow you to post under your 'other' names more easily, just post "Same as always !!!".
We will know what you mean and apply a suitable 'random' right-wing piece of made-up nonsense !!!
Постскриптум:
Эта работа, которую вы выполняете, распространяя «раздор» под завесой того, что вы правый сумасшедший, на самом деле хорошо оплачивается?
Вы, кажется, не очень хороши в этом и никого не убеждаете !!
Передай мои самые теплые пожелания другим сотрудникам ФСБ и поблагодари их за все развлечения !!
Тудл-пип
:)
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Friday 7th February 2025 21:06 GMT Yet Another Anonymous coward
Re: Hello my SVR/FSB friends ... are you getting tired of writing this utter nonsense !!!
Or he is just an unpaid "edgy teen" in a basement in Basingstoke
That's the really clever trick, instead of having to train your own people, or spend years recruiting Oxbridge dons to groom candidates - you just point 4Chan at 100M idiots and play the odds.
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Friday 7th February 2025 14:13 GMT bacila
Re: "You could not pay me to marry outside of my ethnicity"
And what's wrong with this statement? :/ This is someones personal opinion how he plan to live his life. That's his own personal right. And there are quite a few examples that intercultural (which directly related to ethnicity) marriages does not end up well.
It is not a call to forbid marriages, i.e. limit other people rights. So this quote smells like witch hunt and too woke... :(
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Friday 7th February 2025 18:15 GMT heyrick
Re: "You could not pay me to marry outside of my ethnicity"
"And what's wrong with this statement?"
Because while the majority of people tend to marry their own ethnicity (and quite frequently their own culture), nobody points this out as a "you couldn't pay me to do this". Because making a point of it like that is just racist twaddle.
"someones personal opinion"
Which is probably best kept as that - personal.
"there are quite a few examples that intercultural (which directly related to ethnicity) marriages does not end up well"
It would be interesting, just for the sake of knowing, how many interracial/intercultural marriages hit the rocks, compared to how many same-culture/race ones do. Because, you know, divorce, it's a thing. Trump, for example, is on his third wife and Musk has been divorced three times. So, your point there was?
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Sunday 9th February 2025 18:01 GMT heyrick
Re: "You could not pay me to marry outside of my ethnicity"
? Is this some weirdo American bullshit trying to categorise Italians as latinos rather than white?
It seems that asking Google gets a lot of contradictory results that seems to boil down to "Americans: possibly yes, and maybe Spanish and French too" and "Europeans: Italian is a nationality, not an ethic group you twats".
Still, given that I live and work in northern France, the idea (and tortured justification) that French people are latino and not white is the best laugh I've had so far this year, so thank you for opening that rabbit hole. To put it into context, I'm a pasty faced Scottish nerd and some of the people I work with are so pale they could easily pass as goth with the right dress and no makeup.
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Monday 10th February 2025 03:54 GMT Yet Another Anonymous coward
Re: "You could not pay me to marry outside of my ethnicity"
The USA back in the 'good old days' when they were a nation of immigrants, allowed only white immigrants but had classes of white immigrant: British > German | Scandinavian > Irish | Italian > Greek > Slavic.
The term for Irish and Italian was something like lesser/inferior white nations (can't find exact text).
Of course in these modern enlightened times, the USA recognises all white Americans of european-stock people as equal.
(odd that the USA ordered ranking of peoples matched their level of irony, and yet the current population of Americans couldn't recognise irony if it came with a magnetic attached)
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Friday 7th February 2025 07:27 GMT Anonymous Coward
All this painting of Musk as Hitler, or Trump or Farage or anyone at all until there is real evidence of desiring mass murder and total control, is exceptionally dangerous because if a real Hitler emerges he will just be considered another right winger and not recognised for what he is. If anyone actually bothered to watch Musk's gesture they would see what it really was. There are many single shot photos of many leaders with their arms in similar positions that no one accused of being Hitler. You have 2 men exposing and stopping corruption, trying to stop killing, advocating free speech and they are accused of being Hitler! It's insane. Actually it's a classic tactic of extremists; blame the others of what you are guilty of.
As for the original subject of this post, yeah he doesn't sound a nice person does he? Let's hope it's true and not a plant. Because there will be powerful forces trying to stop the anti-corruption drive because it cuts off their corrupt enrichment.
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Friday 7th February 2025 07:56 GMT A Non e-mouse
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.
In the UK this is called the "Duck Test" has been used by our courts.
In plain English: No matter what fancy wheezle words you use to describe something, it's the actions that count. (Uber found this out the hard way)
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Friday 7th February 2025 10:36 GMT codejunky
@A Non e-mouse
"If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck."
I wish this test would be applied honestly. We know the corrupt Russia hoax and the FBI/CIA participation. We know the raid and various garbage trials were just attempts to sling mud at Trump in the hopes it would stop him from being elected. Any random lie and daft claim was ramped up to 11 just to attack and accuse Trump. It made it almost impossible to work out what was noise and reality.
Hell compare that to the obvious decline of Biden. There was an absolute denial in every way that he was at all mentally compromised, which flipped on a dime after the debate. He was put on stage and exposed, then suddenly everyone (but Harris) knew he was struggling and had various stories of his problems.
If this guy did have this account (and his leaving suggests he probably did) then his leaving (probably with a push) would suggest such views are not welcome in DOGE.
"In plain English: No matter what fancy wheezle words you use to describe something, it's the actions that count. (Uber found this out the hard way)"
That is a very important distinction not everyone subscribes to unfortunately.
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Friday 7th February 2025 11:07 GMT dangerous race
Re: @A Non e-mouse
codejunky - "We know the corrupt Russia hoax and the FBI/CIA participation. We know the raid and various garbage trials were just attempts to sling mud at Trump in the hopes it would stop him from being elected."
How do we know these things were wrong? Please link to some factual evidence for your statement. I'd like to have a complete picture of what you are saying.
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Friday 7th February 2025 11:39 GMT codejunky
Re: @A Non e-mouse
@dangerous race
"How do we know these things were wrong?"
Which part are you not sure about? The Russia hoax even had an FBI lawyer charged for editing an email that said no evidence and removed the negative- https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-clinesmith/ex-fbi-lawyer-pleads-guilty-to-doctoring-email-in-russia-probe-of-trump-campaign-idUSKCN25F16S/
This is old news- https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59168626
You cant have missed it surely? https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/15/politics/john-durham-report-fbi-trump-released/index.html
Or Trumps felony which is a misdemeanour trialled beyond the statute of limitations only allowed if related to a crime, which nobody has defined nor accused Trump of, on evidence and witnesses already rejected by Bragg back when it was in the statute of limitations. The only criminal action exposed being the witness who admitted stealing- https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-69041401
Or the New York case about his property, where a consumer protection law to protect a customer (Trump) from predatory banks (no accusation of such) was used as a weapon by the state (why did they get involved?) to attack Trump by claiming the banks and Trump and the entirely normal process of lending is wrong (opens a lot of developers to such accusation) and that the banks and Trump dont know what they are doing. Aka bull.
Neither of which has much chance of surviving an appeal.
Then there is the accusations by a woman who made a civil case due to there being no hope of bringing a criminal trial that would require a standard of evidence and reliable witness.
The FBI raid relied on 'national security' claims, but only because they said so. Aka we say he is bad but cant tell you why. Of course leaked photos that were staged leaked from the active investigation which Jack Smith ran with only to have the role of the Executive Office explained to him and his case to sink, then he ran away before being booted.
The Georgia RICO case sham which instead of 'getting Trump' exposed corruption in the DA.
All of this is public, feel free to look them up, I have given a few links to you here.
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Friday 7th February 2025 12:37 GMT dangerous race
Re: @A Non e-mouse
There was (is) all kinds of dodgy shit going on - by both sides it seems. 'We' then have to try and work out which side is dodgier than the other. Politicians lie, fact. Good politicians tell lies that are not so easy to prove a lie. Trump and his minions are terrible liars which make them terrible politicians (Trump and his henchmen aren't politicians anyway, they act more like gangsters).
John Durham, appointed by Trump to look at the FBI investigation - 'In fact, while Durham criticized the FBI for moving to a full scale investigation of Trump, he did state that the bureau did have reason to open a preliminary review' - https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/16/politics/john-durham-trump-russia-report/index.html - no smoke without fire?
We can go back and forth with links and whatever. I suppose we could agree that we each are just trying to have the least worse government overseeing our lives. We get it wrong sometimes and pay with tax increases, shortages of goods, more expensive goods, power outages (I'm old enough to remember planned power cuts, the 3 day working week, etc.)
I watched the court proceedings re. Fani Willis and Nathan Wade - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDcexi-W8rQ - the judge did not find corruption but did find that there could be the appearance of something not right, shagging perhaps. If corruption was found do you think the solution was that Wade would have to resign and Willis could continue with the case? Also, when Willis was disqualified (I've only skimmed the reports) the judge said the case could proceed against Trump, if Willis was dodgy it didn't say Trump and his co-conspirators weren't, and the trial could continue.
Anyway, thank you for spending time compiling your post, I'm having a quiet day doing very little so am enjoying some interaction on our 'interesting times'.
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Friday 7th February 2025 12:59 GMT codejunky
Re: @A Non e-mouse
@dangerous race
"There was (is) all kinds of dodgy shit going on - by both sides it seems."
Thats somewhat expected as politicians. But when the state security services are used as a weapon it starts to look like what Russia typically gets accused of. That is the huge problem. We know a politician lies but we expect some level of trust in the law enforcement and judiciary. When they are shown corrupt there is a problem.
"Fani Willis and Nathan Wade - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDcexi-W8rQ - the judge did not find corruption but did find that there could be the appearance of something not right, shagging perhaps."
And using money for their trips away shagging. It turned into a whole mess that discredited an already shaky RICO case.
"If corruption was found do you think the solution was that Wade would have to resign and Willis could continue with the case? Also, when Willis was disqualified (I've only skimmed the reports) the judge said the case could proceed against Trump, if Willis was dodgy it didn't say Trump and his co-conspirators weren't, and the trial could continue"
As you say, both were removed from the case. And the case was her effort to get in on the limelight. While the case could proceed who would want to touch such a tainted and reaching case? Its pretty much dead.
"Anyway, thank you for spending time compiling your post, I'm having a quiet day doing very little so am enjoying some interaction on our 'interesting times'."
If you spot any 'interesting goings on' please do post. I am in the UK so not always aware of new 'developments'.
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Friday 7th February 2025 15:28 GMT dangerous race
Re: @A Non e-mouse
I too am in the UK. I gave up on main stream media (BBC, all 'news' papers, I still subscribe to Private Eye though). I watch an eclectic range of stuff from YouTube on my TV including what our crazy American cousins are up to via Fox, MSNBC, AON, CNN, CBS, ABC, etc. and various YouTuber political gobshites from both sides - I have a very weird idea of 'entertainment' :-)
There will always be corruption in the world, it is unlikely that corruption can be totally eliminated, some people are just bad and want as much as they can get from wherever they can get it. I've not seen Trump show any kind of empathy to anyone*, or any sign of a charitable disposition.
* Except people like Rob Porter, David Sorensen, Roy Moore and others. This report** is quite an eye opener, and funny! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGP0cuilgWE - SFW
** Less of a report but reports do feature - just. Hannibal Lecter gets a mention in the song too :-)
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Friday 7th February 2025 11:10 GMT GioCiampa
Re: @A Non e-mouse
"Hell compare that to the obvious decline of Biden." - uncomfortable, but true.
Trump was 5 months older than Biden was at his inauguration... I wouldn't be surprised if we're saying the exact same thing about Trump come 2028.
Neither should have run for office I would say.
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Friday 7th February 2025 14:10 GMT heyrick
Re: @A Non e-mouse
"I wish this test would be applied honestly."
What? If it's yellow, rubber, and squeaks when you squeeze it, it's a bloody duck (and not a Ruddy Duck). What's so hard to understand?
"sling mud at Trump in the hopes it would stop him from being elected"
You'd have thought, in any sane country, that being an actual felon would disqualify a person from being elected. After all, he's putting the boot on transgender people in the army because "it's just not possible to think you're the other sex whilst also living up to the standards required of military personnel" (rough paraphrase of what the executive order said)...yet it seems perfectly okay for the Commander in Chief to be a morally vacuous piece of shit (who's also a felon). I'm sorry, somebody was talking about standards?
"absolute denial in every way that he was at all mentally compromised"
Blah blah fucking blah. People as old as I am will know that we all went through the same story with Reagan. That's kind of what you get when you have a country that seems to like putting geriatrics in charge.
"would suggest such views are not welcome in DOGE."
It's called a media shitstorm. Few outfits would want that, this guy was just to blatantly abusive to keep around.
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Friday 7th February 2025 14:16 GMT codejunky
Re: @A Non e-mouse
@heyrick
"You'd have thought, in any sane country, that being an actual felon would disqualify a person from being elected."
Which legally isnt the case in the US and since it is obvious that Trump is a felon only in label and not through doing wrong. Still not defining what crime Trump is supposed to have committed is an issue when he is charged outside the statute of limitations for a misdemeanour. To disqualify him for not being criminal would be the corrupt election problem.
"yet it seems perfectly okay for the Commander in Chief to be a morally vacuous piece of shit"
Through history it seems so. More recently look at Biden for gods sake.
So apply honestly and you wouldnt just be ranting about Trump
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Friday 7th February 2025 17:00 GMT codejunky
Re: @A Non e-mouse
@WanderingHaggis
"Seriously how can you only be a felon in label?"
Read my comment and you will understand. He is a criminal without being accused of a crime. More than that he was found guilty but with no penalty at all only the label felon.
"He would fail the background check to work with vulnerable people yet can be the commander in chief and "leader of the free world"."
This should be a warning against the abuse of power by the justice system.
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Friday 7th February 2025 17:12 GMT heyrick
Re: @A Non e-mouse
He was found guilty on all thirty four counts. Counts of what? Go Google, it isn't hard.
As for no penalty, that was a decision made in order to not interfere with the fact that he was about to become President. I mean, it would probably break reality if the judge was like "going to be inaugurated? fine, do that from your comfy cell". It just wasn't going to happen. Plus it's not like he killed somebody, so...
Funny how it's an abuse of power when they're picking on the guy you like. What happened to Equal justice under law thing engraved on the court building?
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Friday 7th February 2025 17:31 GMT codejunky
Re: @A Non e-mouse
@heyrick
"He was found guilty on all thirty four counts. Counts of what? Go Google, it isn't hard."
The misdemeanour outside the statute of limitations. Yet the crime needed to charge Trump has not been defined.
"As for no penalty, that was a decision made in order to not interfere with the fact that he was about to become President"
And also likely to be thrown out under appeal anyway such that the case was so unworthy of bringing to court that Bragg and co rejected bringing it WITH THE SAME EVIDENCE when it was within the statute of limitations.
"Funny how it's an abuse of power when they're picking on the guy you like. What happened to Equal justice under law thing engraved on the court building?"
What guy I like? I dont have to like Trump to dislike the abuse of the justice system. What did happen to Equal justice under the law? Remember the dodgy plea agreement offered to Hunter! That was for an actual crime to protect him from other crimes! Trump being labelled felon for no crime is friggin nuts.
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Friday 7th February 2025 08:12 GMT Andy 73
Ah, don't pay any attention to what we're doing, because we're doing it for the best reasons - it's all anti corruption you see? We've no evidence of corruption, but trust us bro. The fact that two of the agencies that were shut down were investigating Musk for fraudulent activities is pure co-incidence, and it obviously makes sense that you'll get less corruption if the people investigating corruption are removed...
As for the Nazi salute - when you're done arguing semantics, ask yourself this - how did Elon react when challenged? Did he (like any sane person) apologise and acknowledge that it was inappropriate? Or did he deny, obfuscate and make poor-taste jokes? Whether or not he's an apartheid-raised right wing Nazi sympathiser (he is), he's still unfit to represent any civilized organisation and clearly incapable of not acting like a petulant child. You might find that endearing in a narcissistic billionaire hiding his corrupt and amoral behaviour, but I find it a tad off-putting.
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Friday 7th February 2025 10:40 GMT codejunky
@Andy 73
"how did Elon react when challenged? Did he (like any sane person) apologise and acknowledge that it was inappropriate? Or did he deny, obfuscate and make poor-taste jokes?"
An alternative view is- did he back down and cry and wet his pants with a false apology to try and plead to the mob for mercy like any spineless lefty trying to salvage their reputation from spiteful idiots making shit up or not?
From stills there are so many Nazi salutes from politicians (and even plain people), but watch the video and you have to wander if they truly believe thats what he did?
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Friday 7th February 2025 11:11 GMT codejunky
Re: @Andy 73
@Wang Cores
"Is that an admission that any apology from your camp is just an attempt to buy clemency when you lose the fight?"
What camp? It was a comment on the typical spineless and inauthentic apology we have gotten so used to when trying to placate the usual mobs looking for offence.
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Friday 7th February 2025 11:35 GMT dangerous race
Re: @Andy 73
Dear oh dear codejunky. You believe that symbols or mannerisms of Nazism is OK? History maybe mostly bunk (Henry Ford, dreadful anti-Semite) but surely we can't have forgotten what Nazism did for Europe 80 years ago? Still within living memory for some people.
". . . usual mobs looking for offence." People don't need to look for offence - Elon, Trump and the other guys are giving out offence without anyone having to look for it.
I struggle to work out how people can be so blinkered to Trump's (and other's) blatant lies. It's a very worrying time for all of us. Are we heading for ----------------------->
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Friday 7th February 2025 12:45 GMT codejunky
Re: @Andy 73
@dangerous race
"Dear oh dear codejunky. You believe that symbols or mannerisms of Nazism is OK?"
Where do I say that? Why are you lying?
"I struggle to work out how people can be so blinkered to Trump's (and other's) blatant lies."
Which lies? I know he does lie and I dont support him when he does so with the exception of showing strength when covid hit. What I also dont do is accept the lies told about him.
"It's a very worrying time for all of us. Are we heading for "
I can believe that. The war in Ukraine and the attack on Israel being quite serious and watching Biden harm the US (main participant of NATO) was worrying. Watching the US eat itself with the state abusing its power to try and stop Trump from being president is certainly worrying. Hopefully the situation can be improved and the corruption cut out.
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Friday 7th February 2025 13:19 GMT dangerous race
Re: @Andy 73
If it wasn't a Nazi salute, what was it? As far I know Elon hasn't said it wasn't, or said what he meant by it. Silence can tell you a lot sometimes.
Trump - 'I'll fix the Ukraine/Russia war in 24 hours' (lie or bullshit). I'll bring the cost of groceries down on day 1' (lie or bullshit). '300,000 deaths from fentanyl per year' - actual figure <100,000, still bad but a gross overstatement or lie. Plus the opioid problem began to increase under the 1st Trump administration. Trump is certainly not going to mention that!
PS I'm a positive person, I've not down voted you, Beast666 (wrong number? Should be 661) or Mr. Eel (where's he gone?) or others on Trump's side (or straight out trolls). I can't remember the last time I cast a down vote on anyone.
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Friday 7th February 2025 14:04 GMT codejunky
Re: @Andy 73
@dangerous race
"If it wasn't a Nazi salute, what was it? As far I know Elon hasn't said it wasn't, or said what he meant by it. Silence can tell you a lot sometimes."
The video itself tells you more. Watch what he does and what he says. To the people in front of him and then turns around and repeats to those behind him. And he did say it wasnt- "Frankly, they need better dirty tricks. The 'everyone is Hitler' attack is sooo tired."- https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy48v1x4dv4o
And he is clear in the video of it happening- "My heart goes out to you. It is thanks to you that the future of civilisation is assured," the 53-year-old said, after giving the second one-armed salute. Note the article has to push it by saying salute instead of gesture.
"Trump - 'I'll fix the Ukraine/Russia war in 24 hours' (lie or bullshit). I'll bring the cost of groceries down on day 1' (lie or bullshit). '300,000 deaths from fentanyl per year' - actual figure <100,000, still bad but a gross overstatement or lie. Plus the opioid problem began to increase under the 1st Trump administration. Trump is certainly not going to mention that!"
Ok. And when do I defend him saying any of that? I do point out he made serious progress with Ukraine/Russia which is when the US allowed NATO weaponry to strike Russia in a severe escalation that was previously not allowed because it could drag NATO into the war. It was a stupid thing to do and occurred when Zelensky decided diplomacy was an option and Putin spoke positively about talking to end the war.
I would prefer people oppose Trump on the basis of these exaggerations and also on disagreeable policy (such as trade). I ignore the childish attacks of his skin colour and hair but mostly the attacks consist of lies and fabrications. Look how many call him Hitler just because its a popular insult.
"PS I'm a positive person, I've not down voted you"
No worries I have a fan club. I dont downvote a lot either. Better to talk through the information and opinions
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Monday 10th February 2025 10:18 GMT codejunky
Re: @Andy 73
"He'll be singing "My Heart Belongs to Daddy" next"
This seems to bit of a confusion for you anti-Trumpers. Some of you say president Musk, you went with him calling (I assume Trump) daddy, some of you say they aint getting on and Trump is sick of Musk hanging on (or has that idea gone now?).
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Saturday 8th February 2025 11:59 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: @Andy 73
> "inauthentic apology we have gotten so used to"
Yes, a typical PR-drafted "that's not what I meant/who I am" apology would be insincere coming from Musk. Because it wasn't an isolated one-off incident and he clearly meant it.
But, as I said elsewhere, anyone who wasn't actually a Nazi sympathiser- or didn't want to be seen as one- would be very keen to publicly make that clear.
The fact that Musk doesn't even feel the need to do that, whether or not such a statement would be "sincere" or not says it all about him.
And the fact that you think that's a plus-point, along with your seven-year-old-bully-level-level idea of a strong man (because he didn't "wet his pants" like your straw man lefty) says it all about sad little right-wingers like you.
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Monday 10th February 2025 11:13 GMT codejunky
Re: @Andy 73
@AC
"Because it wasn't an isolated one-off incident and he clearly meant it."
What are these incidents other than this claimed one? I am honestly asking because this one off incident which is far from conclusive isnt enough to convince me there is a raging nazi up there.
"But, as I said elsewhere, anyone who wasn't actually a Nazi sympathiser- or didn't want to be seen as one- would be very keen to publicly make that clear."
Why? Consider the current situation- everything is nazi. In a repeat of 2016 they claim Trump as a nazi but people have already seen it is bull. It got so bad this time a holocaust survivor put out a reply to Harris for it. Now Musk must be nazi because he is working with Trump. So there is no need to address it or for the most part acknowledge it. It is a continuation of the stupidity without meaning.
And if he did say 'no I aint' nobody would listen anyway. He already dismissed it saying the left need to find something better.
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Monday 10th February 2025 13:19 GMT codejunky
Re: @Andy 73
@AC
"Go take a poke around the chans and substack (even TikTok) to understand what is happing re: the younger generation. And why Musk and also many of Trump's circle are messaging in this fashion. Then come back and report your research. Take your time."
Assuming you are the same AC you made a claim now just give me examples. I have no interest in ticktok or the other platforms. I am not interested in those. We are discussing how to interpret a gesture and why it should be assumed nazi beyond the 'everything is nazi' craze going on.
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Monday 10th February 2025 14:44 GMT codejunky
Re: @Andy 73
@AC
"Not the same AC."
This is why it is difficult to have a conversation with a coward.
"Do go take the time to understand how things have shifted."
I am well aware. When I see Hillary talking about too many coming over the border but when Trump does it its now hitler. When things Obama did are mentioned but say Trump did it suddenly this stuff is racism and hitler. Even a holocaust survivor responded to the whacky nonsense of Harris and her fascism talk.
When everything is hitler it means nothing. And that is how far this stupidity has shifted.
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Tuesday 11th February 2025 18:57 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: @Andy 73
Christ-on-a-bike! You seem unable to entertain anything except your own narrow & blinkered viewpoint.
Even a holocaust survivor responded to the whacky nonsense of Harris and her fascism talk.
Do you mean the paid-for Trump campaign ad mentioned in the following article?
https://m.jpost.com/american-politics/article-826304
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Wednesday 12th February 2025 09:15 GMT codejunky
Re: @Andy 73
@AC
"Do you mean the paid-for Trump campaign ad mentioned in the following article?"
I can understand why you posted as a coward. So you are saying a holocaust survivor willingly worked with the Trump campaign for this public statement, Trump being a guy idiots call nazi and Hitler, and you are posting this unironically?
"Christ-on-a-bike! You seem unable to entertain anything except your own narrow & blinkered viewpoint."
Please reread your comment until you see the problem with this stupid statement ^
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Friday 7th February 2025 11:24 GMT Andy 73
Re: @Andy 73
I'm not asking for some performative act from him, I'm asking that someone in such a position of responsibility show even the slightest flicker of self-awareness and the ability to manage the world around them.
His response to the attention was chaotic and incompetent. Call me silly, but I don't want chaotic and incompetent people making life-affecting choices over millions of people. Something as 'small' as a hand gesture turned him into a snivelling weasel. What happens when something serious happens that he has to take responsibility for?
It's possible to give a robust, adult response to that event (which I'm sure you'd like to see) without looking dangerously like a wet liberal or a frat-boy who's been caught out. He failed the test. The one thing worse than looking like a Nazi is looking like an incompetent Nazi.
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Friday 7th February 2025 11:46 GMT codejunky
Re: @Andy 73
@Andy 73
"I'm not asking for some performative act from him, I'm asking that someone in such a position of responsibility show even the slightest flicker of self-awareness and the ability to manage the world around them."
Like what? he is a villain regardless of what he does, even when he didnt do a nazi salute. When dealing with people of that lack of self awareness nor ability to manage the world around them (think of the woman screaming 'nooooooooo' in 2016) you can never appease them. The perpetually offended who have deemed someone evil will never change their opinion as fact does not matter! I am saying this as someone who doesnt particularly like Musk yet struggle to understand the self inflicted stupidity of people to lie about him or Trump.
"Call me silly, but I don't want chaotic and incompetent people making life-affecting choices over millions of people."
Bad luck, you are talking about a lot of people and they are all over the place and making decisions that affect your day to day.
"Something as 'small' as a hand gesture turned him into a snivelling weasel."
You just said he didnt bow to the mob and beg forgiveness. Which was it? I dont know what reaction he had, only that I watched the video and he didnt do a nazi salute and as far as I am aware is not begging forgiveness for something he didnt do. Sounds the opposite of a snivelling weasel.
"It's possible to give a robust, adult response to that event"
Yeah, 'bugger off'.
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Friday 7th February 2025 17:24 GMT Andy 73
Re: @Andy 73
So by your own admission, you have absolutely no idea how he handled the fall-out, but you're certain that he didn't make an arse of himself doing so?
I've got some sympathy for the arguments you sometimes get yourself into on here, but honestly, you need to start with a few facts on this one before wading in defending him.
So, stop going on about all the other people who you're certain are worse than Elmo. We're not talking about them. We're addressing how he handled a basic bit of public engagement. I'll give you a clue: he handled it badly.
Crashing around going "oh, but, but the easily offended.." doesn't help here. I'm not easily offended. But I do know someone cocking things up when I see it.
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Friday 7th February 2025 17:46 GMT codejunky
Re: @Andy 73
@Andy 73
"So by your own admission, you have absolutely no idea how he handled the fall-out, but you're certain that he didn't make an arse of himself doing so?"
Eh what crap you trying to claim I said? I said I know he didnt beg forgiveness.
"I've got some sympathy for the arguments you sometimes get yourself into on here, but honestly, you need to start with a few facts on this one before wading in defending him."
All I keep pointing out is he didnt do a nazi salute. I dont even particularly like the guy yet its obvious enough from the video. I am sure you can probably point to some example of him making an arse of himself over the fallout? All I know is he dismissed it as the usual nonsense from the usual idiots.
"So, stop going on about all the other people who you're certain are worse than Elmo. We're not talking about them. We're addressing how he handled a basic bit of public engagement. I'll give you a clue: he handled it badly."
What other people? Come back and stop running away with the goal posts, he didnt even do a nazi salute. So why would he apologise for something he didnt do to the perpetually offended who are the ones peeing their pants crying about it? Why should he bow to idiots? How should he handle idiots who are so blinkered they cant think nor would accept anything anyway? It is really stupid to think he needs to 'handle' idiots who cannot be handled.
I am not sure I can make that much clearer. You say he is cocking something up but what? He didnt do what is claimed so why would he pretend he did? That would be a cockup
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Friday 7th February 2025 18:29 GMT ChoHag
Re: @Andy 73
> All I keep pointing out is he didnt do a nazi salute.
Musk is many things but he's not stupid. He knew exactly what he was doing. -->
The only reason one of his favoured idiots was recently fired was because he didn't know how to keep his racism publicly ambiguous.
> I am not sure I can make that much clearer.
Keep trying.
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Monday 10th February 2025 10:09 GMT codejunky
Re: @Andy 73
@ChoHag
"Musk is many things but he's not stupid. He knew exactly what he was doing. -->"
When everything is nazi all you will see nazi everywhere.
"The only reason one of his favoured idiots was recently fired was because he didn't know how to keep his racism publicly ambiguous."
And in hiring how many people and needing people of strong skills and work ethic is he expected to know the personal opinions of every worker (which they can lie or change)? If you work for a large company do you know the private opinions of everyone in the business? What about anything they might have expressed previously?
Or do you think Musk should be some kind of god?
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Friday 7th February 2025 20:10 GMT Anonymous Coward
When danger reared its ugly head, Sir Elon turned his tail and fled, brave, brave, brave Sir Elon!
> An alternative view is- did he back down and cry and wet his pants with a false apology to try and plead to the mob for mercy like any spineless lefty trying to salvage their reputation from spiteful idiots making shit up or not?
Pretty much anyone who genuinely wasn't a Nazi- or anything remotely close to one- would bridle at the suggestion and be *very* keen on clearly dissociating themselves from the allegation.
Musk churned out a bunch of lame Nazi puns in an attempt to mock the allegation while not actually addressing it- the typical "just a joke bro" blurring of the lines tactic the alt-right uses to have it both ways.
But then, we already know he's a fucking white supremacist Nazi sympathiser, and so do his apologists like you.
> did he back down and cry and wet his pants
Not sure about that, but Musk- the ultimate Internet Tough Guy- certainly shat himself when Zuckerberg (*) actually took him up on his offer of a cage fight and it looked like he was going to get his out-of-shape pasty white (supremacist) ass beaten to a pulp, didn't he? ;-)
Ha ha ha. That's your hero, that is.
(*) Zuckerberg is a sociopathic piece of shit himself, so it says a lot that he's the lesser of two evils in this scenario.
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Friday 7th February 2025 14:00 GMT ChrisC
"There are many single shot photos of many leaders with their arms in similar positions that no one accused of being Hitler."
The problem here is that in Musk's case, it wasn't merely a particularly well (or ill) timed snapshot, it was the entire sequence leading up to and past that specific moment in time. Because sure, you can dredge up any number of photos of people *appearing* to be making a Nazi salute, but how many videos would you be able to find showing those same people making the full gesture as opposed to simply moving their arms in a way which, at that one specific point in time, allowed that photo to be taken...
I mean, if you were to jump off a cliff and someone took a photo of you a split second later, it might *look* as if you'd discovered the secret of levitation, anti-gravity, or human flight. Doesn't make you a scientific genius or a bird person though, does it... If, on the other hand, there was a fairly lengthy video showing you jumping off the cliff and then not immediately plummeting to your demise, then that would raise some genuine questions over how you'd managed it. That's the difference here - a single photo can easily be taken out of context, the video sequence from which it was taken isn't so easy to mistake as something it isn't, yet it's that exact simplified argument you and so many Musk supporters are using to deflect criticism of the way he behaved at that event, and of the wider issues a growing number of us are having with the way he's behaving in general.
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Friday 7th February 2025 15:15 GMT Jamie Jones
They don't have to literally commit mass murder to be called Hitler if all the traits were there.
As for *single shot* photos... take a look at what you've written again. Those single shot are taken from videos of the people waving, or making other perfect innocent gestures. Look at the videos they were taken from, unless you'd rather be blissfully ignorant than know the truth.
As for actually watching the Musk gesture. We did. Not sure you did. What would you say it was? And before you give the "my heart goes out to you bollocks", there are videos of him doing that move before.. and it's not like that. He first makes a heart shape with his hands, and then "launches" his arms in a different way.
Now, this is not something we can have a disagreement about. I'm quoting fact. You can easily look up the above to see the video evidence for yourself. Then you'll be better informed. Or, (as I fear), you're going to stick your fingers in your ears, shouting "LA LA LA CAN'T HEAR YOU", because you simply can't handle the truth.
If the latter, realise that you are part of the cult.
https://old.reddit.com/r/centrist/comments/1i8ajx0/video_of_musk_making_an_actual_my_heart_goes_out/
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Friday 7th February 2025 15:32 GMT Jamie Jones
I forgot to mention.... Do you seriously think Elon is advocating free speech? He's on record deleting Twitter accounts of those he doesn't agree with.
As for his salute, see the historical *videos* here, 44mins 10 seconds onwards: https://youtu.be/MFRlfxA-A1s?t=2650
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Monday 10th February 2025 09:12 GMT Ray Foulkes
Thank you
I was going to write something similar;well done. It is a well-known technique to flush out waste and corruption - stop everything and wait for the squeals. Those programs with good justification to exist will quickly respond. Then the funder says "ok, carry on for a month and come back with statistics to show that the corruption is small e.g. how many doses of mediation have been supplied for the $$ spent. if close to the norm of cost in the market place, then fine, otherwise get to work to weed out the corruotiion.. This is known as "stopping the $700 dollar hammer purchases".
I am aghast at the ignorance of El reg readers. They are like chldren shouting insults with no other useful contribution,
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Monday 10th February 2025 12:50 GMT ChrisC
Re: Thank you
Except that using this approach to rooting out *potential/presumed/otherwise not yet actually PROVEN* waste/inefficiencies/corruption/other reasons why it costs more than it might need to, is somewhat less reasonable when, in the time it takes those genuine fund recipients to make enough noise to be heard by an administration which, so far, has presented itself as being rather less inclined to listen with a sympathetic ear to anyone complaining about their funding being cut, and have said funding restored, the lives of literally millions of people could have been adversely affected by even a few days delay in continuing the work being funded by this money.
Combine this total lack of empathy with the misunderstanding (or deliberately mis-stated, in order to rile up the faithful into believing DOGE are doing a splendid job here) of how the money is actually being spent, and is it any real surprise that many of us feel utterly aghast at the way the US is behaving right now? We knew things were going to be bad under Trump 2.0, I just don't think any of us were expecting it to get this bad this quickly. But hey, we should all just shut up and let them get on with it, right? Let DOGE burn everything the US has built up so far to the ground, in order that it can be rebuilt exactly as Trump/Musk so desire it to be, and who cares who gets harmed in the process...
And that's before you start to consider what the US used to get in return for all of this spending, and what they risk losing by buggering around with it in such a childish, mindless, manner. If countries currently receiving aid from the US start to lose faith that the US will continue to provide, then they'll start looking elsewhere for aid, and whoever steps up to the plate to provide it will, in return, start to gain the loyalty/allegiance of those being aided. How long will it be before things don't go quite the way the US expects them to, the next time they need to temporarily base troops overseas, or vote for/against something in the UN, or any other occasion when they NEED the backing of other countries?
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Friday 7th February 2025 09:04 GMT Tubz
So your not allowed to be an employee for the US government if racist, but are allowed to be an employee for them if anti-democratic or anti-Trump, but don't want to physically do any work and use any means to block government decisions you don't like? Very Democratic not just in the words definition, but the party membership !
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Friday 7th February 2025 09:06 GMT Anonymous Coward
YEAH YEAH YEAH
Seriously... lets ignore the fact that billions of dollars are being funnelled into dodgy places for dodgy things and thats ok... man said hurry words.. attack attack attack.... keep attack going... order more £1500.00 coffee cups... attack attack attack.... can't be seen to have spending that was done to launder money being an issue... ATTACK!!! ATTACK ATTACK!!!!
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Friday 7th February 2025 21:21 GMT John Brown (no body)
Re: YEAH YEAH YEAH
The Whitehouse own page on the subject, linked above by your fellow defenders of the alt-truth, lists well under a %billion as "examples" of the waste you refer to, in fact a tiny fraction of the entire dept.budget. If it was really $billions, don't you think they'd have shouted that "proof" from the rooftops?
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Friday 7th February 2025 16:08 GMT xyz123
Elez "changes" to the underlying code of the US payment system need to be reversed.
Taking bets he's made it "filter out" what he considers "bad names" like Patel, or anything Jewish etc....and it'll start cancelling payments.
If he put a delay into the code, so it kicks off in a few weeks, he'll claim "wuzn't me...it was them <slur here>"
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Friday 7th February 2025 22:43 GMT DS999
He's been rehired
Should have known that Nazi Musk and racist Trump would excuse this guy's conduct.
In other news one of the pardoned Jan 6th rioters was freed from federal prison even though prosecutors in Texas had sent prison officials a warrant for his arrest on child porn charges five days earlier. Reportedly Trump had instructed that everyone be freed from prison that day because it would be a bad look if he pardoned people who couldn't be released because they were wanted for other crimes.