
As outlook has never been installed on my Win 10 machine I shall be immune from the embuggeration and annoyance of this latest downgrade and instead will remain with Thunderbird.
There is mixed news for Windows users. Microsoft has released a patch it claims fixes the DAC problem. The bad news – for some users – is that the new Outlook for Windows app has reached Windows 10. The preview update rolled out over the last two days, with patches for Windows 11 22H2 and 23H2 (KB5050092) released on January …
I never did either. (I'm using Windows 10 Pro.) And there's no Outlook in my Microsoft Office folder, though I do subscribe to Office 365 and did not ask for its Outlook. (I use Thunderbird or Betterbird.) However, I just peeked and indeed there is now an Outlook in my start menu. And it runs. I don't know if this is the same program that Office uses or just an update of the old Outlook Express or Windows Mail, both of which were atrocious. The Windows Mail that used to come with Windows is not there any more, not that I've looked since getting this machine a few years ago. So somewhere along the line MS apparently installed this "Outlook" in one of its updates.
The previous Windows Mail had the interesting POP limitation that it lacked the "keep mail on server" option, so ISTM if you ever actually used it with POP on your mail server, it would download once and delete everything right then and there. Malignant. I don't know if that has been fixed as I'm not going to trust this on my real mail server.
"I don't know if this is the same program that Office uses or just an update of the old Outlook Express or Windows Mail, both of which were atrocious."
It's the new one - it's automatically been installing itself on all W11 machines for a while, and now it's W10's turn. It's not related to the unlamented Outlook Express or Windows Mail (which as you say were atrocious) - New Outlook is based on the web app code base, but with just enough differences to make it confusing to users. It's marginally better than Outlook Express and Windows Mail, but that's a very low bar, and it is still utterly shit!
Oh no you won't be immune! It won't matter what's currently installed, assuming they adopt the same tactics as with W11.
We've got a few W11 machines used for system management functions which just have a local account and nothing installed apart from the software needed for their function (certainly no Office programs or email clients) and New Outlook appeared on them after an update (yes, I removed it promptly).
If using Intune, it's advisable to set up both an app rule to uninstall Outlook (New) - which should really be called Outlook (Beta) - from everything, AND a Powershell script to have maximum chance of removing it from all managed devices!
"Most versions of Windows 10 are rapidly approaching the end of the road. Support is due to end on October 14. While Microsoft has shown no desire to keep affected versions supported past that date"
With those reluctant to upgrade hardware even more reluctant if tariffs hike prices MS is set to make a fortune on an extended update service. I wonder what the annual cost of that will be compared to the one-off OEM prices it would have got for new W11 licences.
Support for Mail and Calendar ended on December 31, 2024. In a support article, Microsoft said, "You can no longer able (sic) to send and receive emails or events using Windows Mail and Calendar."
Did they seriously put a kill-switch in that app? And if so, why would they think I would ever trust them again?
They forcefully installed the new Outlook for the past half year whenever you started Windows Mail or Calendar and the second time you started Windows Mail it would quit and boot Outlook instead. You could not stop it. At best you could repeatedly uninstall Outlook.
Because of this, the rating in the Microsoft Store for the new Outlook plummeted to 2.2 of 5 . MS then edited the rating to 3.6, despite its chart still showing an overwhelming bar of 1 star ratings. Since then MS deleted the bad ratings.
Microsoft, business as usual.
I switched to a new E-Mail client and I'll be back to Linux by the end of the year.
I'm more of a Linux person though I do use Windows 10 LTSC 1809 in a VM as my main windows desktop for work stuff mainly.
I looked it up again to confirm, MS says they will support classic Outlook until at least 2029(I assume for users of LTSC 1809 which has support till 2029 as well?). Users can continue to use/install classic Outlook until the "cutover" phase which as of Nov 2024 has not yet been specified, and when it is, there will be at least a 12 month time before it takes effect. Maybe the situation is different for personal accounts(vs accounts associated with a company that has office365).
https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/blog/outlook/new-outlook-for-windows-a-guide-to-product-availability/4078895
Kind of ironic I regularly get warnings in MS teams saying classic teams is not supported, so I should upgrade, but the newer teams is not compatible with LTSC 1809 as far as I know, and the "fine print" (last I checked) said MS will continue to support classic teams on LTSC platforms until their EOL.
I do see a "try the new outlook" option in the top right of my outlook on Win10, I have not tried it, I'm kind of assuming it would not work (like newer teams won't work) due to the newer system requirements.
Most of my outlook usage is OWA from my Linux system but sometimes I do use the classic outlook to do some things.
Which is almost the same, since Nadella has decided he can take control of your email credentials and impersonate you to bring all of your messages into his Azure servers, where he's free to peruse them at will to train AIs, and if kindly requested, submit them to the US government because of the FISA and CLOUD Act. Even worse, MS is potentially able to send message using your credentials. Or it may be a good defense "sorry judge, MS has a copy of my credentials - it's not beyond any reasonable doubt that I, and I alone, sent that message..."
How this blatant Microsoft-in-the-middle attack is not under fire by privacy regulators probably shows how little they understand about technology. Hope Schrems kicks in and strikes a god blow to this attack on users' privacy by Microsoft, especially since MS is very quiet about his approach, and doesn't inform users correctly.
Mail providers should also launch a suit against Microsoft for anti-competitive behaviour, since users may end to directly store their emails on Azure since everthing ends alread there.
Did you think Balmmer was bad? Nadella is far, far worse. His contempt for all those dalits using Windows is incredible. And moreover, he's also killing the Outlook applications to save on development, assigning it probably to the same group developing outlook.com. Without understanding Outlook + Exchange are those few applications that kept people using Windows desktop and server. Give them a GMail feeling, and they can switch easily to something else.
So, unless you have already messages stored on Microsoft servers, stay far away from the "new" Outlook...
Did you read? I compared the new Outlook to GMail - they are both bad, but if people feel that using one or the other is the same thing, Microsoft is going to lose the advantage a native mail client gave to them. Probably Nadella doesn't know why Outlook won and Lotus Notes lost.
I moved away from Mail to Oulook on my Win10 box ages ago, just to find over time that for reasons unknown to mankind, opening mail takes ....forever....
I called Thunderbird to the rescue -> no such issues on Win10.
Therefore: We I recommend you move to new Outlook or Outlook.com Thunderbird.
Nor does it support shared mailboxes (absolutely critical for many organisations), nor does it properly support multiple mailboxes or properly support mail accounts that are not Microsoft 365 Exchange, it's slower than normal Microsoft Outlook, the formatting options are incomplete and so much more.
...until Microsoft decides to "accidentally" or otherwise (depending on how blatant they're feeling) ignore that registry key.
I am still bitter about their killing off of all the 3rd-party tweaks that removed the completely obnoxious "Microsoft Points / Use Edge / Use OneDrive" banner from the Settings app. "You WILL be confronted by this every time you open Settings..."
As the man said, regedit (and UltraFieSearchLite) is your friend. It's how I permanently removed copilot and edge. I'm hopeful it'll work for outlook. BTW - Take a look at all the complaints about how the current outlook refuses to send messages. Definitely another mictosoft feature.
I've pretty much completely dropped gmail now.
For the last several years Outlook has been nothing but a nightmare for the few folks I help....It's annoying when these companies get a bug up their ass to change things and don't care how hard it makes it on 90-95 year old folks. I've got 3 of them that do great....but these changes generally make it impossible for them.